The last time STL had a top 10 pick was 2008… We have had FOUR top 10 picks in that same time frame (Granlund, Brodin, Dumba, Rossi). Proof that getting top 10 picks doesn’t mean anything unless you get a top 3 pick in the right year.
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They had two top 5 picks; Pietroangelo and Johnson. Johnson turned into Schenn and Sanford. But Pietroangelo was a key contributor to them winning. The last time Minnesota had anything higher than 6th pick was in 2005.
None of the teams since 2010-2011 has won without at least one top 5 pick. And then before that Detroit and Anaheim. It's extremely rare for a team to win without at least a top 5 pick.
That they made.
Fleury is also a shell of what he was. Who else do we have? also no one is going to mistake Spurgeon or Brodin for Pietroangelo or Hedman or even Duncan or Seabrook.
Amazing the arbitrary rules one can come up with. It's lazy, tiring and frankly annoying that we have Wild fans that actively hope the team is bad so we can get a top 5-10 pick so we can *maybe* be better than we currently are.
Edmonton had a run of 10 top 10 picks in 11 years and they haven't won the Cup since 1990. If they didn't luck into a generational player, they would probably still be a bottom feeder.
Buffalo has had top 10 picks for the last 10 years.
Vancouver had a string of four straight top 10 picks recently.
Calgary had three top 10 picks in four years not too long ago.
For every team you can point to that has a Cup because of a top 5 pick, there is an equal and opposite team that tried and failed. Some of them have been especially awful. Could you imagine 10 straights years of bottom of the league hockey?
The simple answer for me: I'll take my perennial playoff team. Anything can happen on any given year. We have a superstar player. We have a pretty darn good prospect pool. We have one of the best shutdown defensemen in the league. We are one center prospect (Rossi, Khusnutdinov, 2023 1st) becoming a top 6 center away from being a serious threat.
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It's not about top 5 picks, it's about star players.
It's just easier to hit a bullseye on a dartboard from 5 feet away than it is from 20. That's all this discussion ever is.
It's just easier to hit a bullseye on a dartboard from 5 feet away than it is from 20. That's all this discussion ever is.
This is right. And, it comes back to the fact that Guerin had a gem to work with in Fiala (still a ppg player in LA), and let him get away for emotional reasons. You don't give up offensive talent like that. You just don't. If it cost Dumba, you accept that because there are several D in your pipeline.
Never mind not having a 1C. If your top 4 wingers are Kap, Zucc, Boldy and Fiala, that's a hard offense to stop.
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And when it comes to tying those two specific things together, I actually do blame the Parise/Suter contracts more than I blame Guerin on that. Not that I don't think we could've made it work keeping him around, but just that I'm not sure it would've made us any more of a "contender" than we were before, considering we'd still have the same restraints. I just think we'd be more fun to watch than we are now.
Why do you keep bringing up top 10 picks when we are talking about top 5 picks?
The fact you keep bringing up a top 10 pick as if it's the same as a top 5 pick shows your argument is disingenuous.
They are one of the worst ran organization in the NHL.
Second worst ran organization in the NHL.
They cleaned house. We'll see how it goes.
You mean the Calgary team that actually got past the first round?
A lot of those teams have had more issues than just scouting and you know that.
I love the fact that this chant has been going on since Fletcher has been GM. What is going to be the excuse if they go one and done again? They had one of the best teams last season and got wrecked by a squad of AHL defensemen.
That best shutdown defenseman has been mainly invisible in the playoffs. Spurgeon has also been mainly non existent.
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We probably wouldn't be a Cup contender right now with Fiala here, but we'd have a much better foundation going forward.
I agree Dr jan,
And I would say that, if Parise had been bought out but not Suter, we would be about 2M ahead in cap space, and one would hope that Suter would be more of a team player if the team belonged to Kap Zucc Fiala and Boldy instead of him and Parise.
And, we might have had to have lost Dumba to make it work. But considering that the D pipeline right now is much better that the F pipeline, I would take that. Not that we would be strong Cup contenders this year, but next year or the year after, yes.
As it is, we essentially traded Fiala for a D coming in next year. Good for the D, but not for scoring, which is where we need help.
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I agree. We saw that unstoppable offense last year in the playoffs…
Wait, we were booted in the first round. Did Fiala log a point?
Do you know how many players we would have to trade to get a top 5 pick? Kap and Zucc for sure. Probably at least one or two of the GREEF line. Can't have the best checking line in hockey if our goal is a top 5 pick.
I don't expect much more than one and done this year and next given our cap restraints. If they were to try and get past the 1st round, they should start by trading for a center that wins ~ 55% of their draws. Ryan O'Reilly dominated in the faceoff dot last playoffs and really showed how important that is for both the power play and the penalty kill. There are a number of those centers that could be available: Toews, Horvat, Jenner, Domi, Monahan, Dvorak, etc. None of them would require blowing up the team for a top 5 pick and would really improve our chances of winning a series.
Parayko, Faulk, and Leddy played 15 of a possible 18 man games against the Wild. Krug also played 3 games against the Wild. Not exactly what I would call a "squad of AHL defensemen."
Or we could not trade for Reeves and play Fleury for the majority of the starts. I mean San Jose has Hertl, Coulture and Karlsson and is looking at a top pick.
This is such a weird statement. So, instead of using the next two years to rebuild a team and load the team up with talent in the draft and getting a lot of cap space when the cap restraints end, they are going to try and push toward the playoffs? They need to shit or get off the pot at this point. One and done is pretty much the new motto for Minnesota teams.
No to Domi, Monahan or Dvorak. Would you be fine trading Rossi because guys like Toews and Horvat is going to cost at least that, if not more. And that's the thing, Minnesota fans don't want to trade their prospects, but they also don't want to do anything to improve the team. When was the last time Minnesota traded for a player that was top 30 in their position? Pominville?
That's three of 7 defenseman. Mikkola played 15 minutes at least, Perunovich played 7 games averaging 10 minutes and he's out of the league, Rosen is another one that they had to bring up.
Like they were overworking Faulk and Parayko and Leddy due to the depth issues.
Hell, the last three games they were working Rosen, Mikkola and Bortuzzo (who is a borderline NHLer) hard.
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I wouldnt mind moving Rossi + in a year or 2 if it means we can get a legit center and be able to re-sign him.
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Wouldn't you wanna see what Rossi looks like in a year or two before you decide this?
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It's just a weird thing to say about a 21 year old top prospect. Most people aren't already planning trades for those guys. I should hope your mind would change based on how he looks in that time, that was my point.
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And i piggy backed off someone else. Said poster asked if id be fine with trading Rossi + for a legit center and i said yes in a year or two after the cap restrictions are a bit easier so its not a rental. Youre getting it twisted that i brought up the trade proposal when i didnt. Im not making any plans, im answering a question.
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I didn't do that at all, just responded to what you said.
And as far as I can tell, he insinuated trading him this year, not in a year or two, so you were the first to talk about it in the future tense, as far as I can see. Trading him now is not the same as trading him in a year or two. If you wanted to trade him now, I would disagree, but it wouldn't be a weird thing to say. Saying you'd be okay with trading him in a year or two without knowing what he looks like in a year or two is the weird part.
Not trying to badger your opinion here, but I also didn't twist anything you said like you claimed.
If I said I'd trade Wallstedt + in a year or two for a legit goalie, wouldn't you think, "wait, shouldn't we wait to see if Wallstedt himself is a legit goalie first?"
But it could have been. I'm the GM. I can buy out whoever I want. Parise can't stop me from buying him out. Suter can't stop me from buying out Parise.
The fact was that Parise was DONE as a player, but Suter was not.
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