Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Kirill Kaprizov re-signs with the Wild (5 years, $9M AAV)
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It doesn't matter what you think about the quality of the leagues. The point is he has upheld this level of play for several years. He has outperformed other Russian stars along the way throughout his career on the same level. Whether you agree or not, games outside of the NHL count for something, and can tell us something.
And again, a bridge deal, or more NHL games played, was not an option here.
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This years leader board.....what does this show you?
| 1. |
| Dynamo Moskva | 57 | 20 | 47 | 67 | 1.18 | 22 | 28 |
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| Salavat Yulaev Ufa | 53 | 28 | 36 | 64 | 1.21 | 18 | 17 |
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| Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod | 58 | 21 | 40 | 61 | 1.05 | 26 | 6 |
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| Dynamo Moskva | 59 | 38 | 22 | 60 | 1.02 | 52 | 25 |
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| Ak Bars Kazan | 52 | 27 | 30 | 57 | 1.10 | 24 | 12 |
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| Vityaz Podolsk | 58 | 23 | 32 | 55 | 0.95 | 50 | 3 |
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| Jokerit | 53 | 12 | 42 | 54 | 1.02 | 12 | 30 |
| 8. |
| Salavat Yulaev Ufa | 50 | 23 | 30 | 53 | 1.06 | 26 | 22 |
| 9. |
| Salavat Yulaev Ufa | 55 | 19 | 33 | 52 | 0.95 | 10 | 18 |
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| Dinamo Minsk | 52 | 25 | 24 | 49 | 0.94 | 45 | 14 |
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He's three years from UFA, and next summer he'd have arbitration rights and offer sheet eligibility. He could simply walk to UFA, and we wouldn't have the ability to offer him an extension with our cap situation. We needed to lock him up for four years minimum. Guerin wanted five years instead. He's paying for those two UFA years.
Break it down like this if it helps:
3x7.5M
2x11.25M
Is it a risk to pay that much for two of his UFA years right now? Maybe. But it also isn't going to hurt that much if he turns out not to be worth it, because it's two years and then the contract is over. And the AAV for those two years will be 9M, not 11.25M.
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This years leader board.....what does this show you?
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1. Dynamo Moskva 57 20 47 67 1.18 22 28 2. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 53 28 36 64 1.21 18 17 3. Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod 58 21 40 61 1.05 26 6 4. Dynamo Moskva 59 38 22 60 1.02 52 25 5. Ak Bars Kazan 52 27 30 57 1.10 24 12 6. Vityaz Podolsk 58 23 32 55 0.95 50 3 7. Jokerit 53 12 42 54 1.02 12 30 8. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 50 23 30 53 1.06 26 22 9. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 55 19 33 52 0.95 10 18 10. Dinamo Minsk 52 25 24 49 0.94 45 14
That appears to be the top 10 scorers in the KHL last season. What's your point?
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I explained that to you in the post why the way the team went is a better route than the way you think they should have gone. It's not that complicated, just requires a little bit of brain.
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You seem to think that how a player performs in the KHL means he will do the same in the NHL and its not the case at all.
I see, I guess I am too dumb to think of paying a guy much more than he is worth and before he has actually earned it.
BTW my way gets you the player for 10 years instead of 8 and my way is cheaper for the cap. It also gives you 2 years to fix any cap issues to fit his new deal if he earns it, but hey what do I know, im not using my brain.
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It had to be at least 4 years or else you might pay him 11+ cap hit while you have those harsh buyout years. That amounts to losing him since Minny would not afford that cap hit
Imo Kirill was generous to give Minny that 5th year. It's one more year he has to wait to get his 11 or 12 million dollar deal. He is confident he will get there. Panarin was who he was looking too
Imo Kirill was generous to give Minny that 5th year. It's one more year he has to wait to get his 11 or 12 million dollar deal. He is confident he will get there. Panarin was who he was looking too
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No, that's not what I think, nor did I ever say that. I've explained to you multiple times why the KHL games are being referenced.
Your way isn't cheaper for any of the years beyond the two you'd bridge him for. Your way is much more expensive for three years and beyond.
Plenty of teams lock their RFAs up at a slightly higher AAV than they deserve at the time with the hope that the RFA improves and the AAV is lower than what they'd get on the market. That is a very normal tactic for teams to use. The Canes just did it with Andrei Svechnikov.
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On the one hand, this is a massive contract for a player with so few NHL games. He’s played just 55 NHL games (62 including playoffs), I’m guessing this is the largest contract ever for a player with so few NHL games played?
On the other hand … I think he’ll probably be worth it. It’s risky, but he’s really talented, I think he plays like a guy worth $9 mil over the course of this deal.
On the other hand … I think he’ll probably be worth it. It’s risky, but he’s really talented, I think he plays like a guy worth $9 mil over the course of this deal.
I think some people are too entrenched in the idea of a player "proving it" over multiple seasons, when sometimes the talent level is obvious, and past play outside the NHL shows a pedigree that suggests it's likely to continue. If McDavid was a free agent after his rookie year when he had 48 points in 45 games, do you sign him to his current 8 year, 12.5 deal if the other option is him walking to the KHL? 100% you do. Because it's obvious he was going to be a star based on both what he did that year, the obvious talent and what he did in juniors. It's the same thing here. The only difference is that some people are unwilling to consider play outside of the NHL for older KHL players in the same way they consider draft potential for recent picks based on juniors.
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This years leader board.....what does this show you?
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1. Dynamo Moskva 57 20 47 67 1.18 22 28 2. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 53 28 36 64 1.21 18 17 3. Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod 58 21 40 61 1.05 26 6 4. Dynamo Moskva 59 38 22 60 1.02 52 25 5. Ak Bars Kazan 52 27 30 57 1.10 24 12 6. Vityaz Podolsk 58 23 32 55 0.95 50 3 7. Jokerit 53 12 42 54 1.02 12 30 8. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 50 23 30 53 1.06 26 22 9. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 55 19 33 52 0.95 10 18 10. Dinamo Minsk 52 25 24 49 0.94 45 14
That you continue to willfully ingnore the relationship between age and production? Kaprizov was playing full time in the KHL as a teenager and he 42 points (20G 22A) in 49 games as a 19 year old, his third season in the league.
None of those dudes could do that (Shipachyov came closest). People have posted listed with all-time U23 scoring in the KHL. That’s the list that matters. Those guys are in the KHL and Kaprizov in the NHL at a much younger age. They presumably could not have done what he did, going by their careers. It’s the same with Gusev, he’s excellent player but he is not on the same level.
You can’t reference vague “Players in the KHL” you have to use age and if you do then the comparable players are few and they have had success in the NHL. He is an elite offensive player. It’s true that it’s unclear what exactly his offensive ceiling is but his performance in his first NHL season was completely in line with his development in as an elite player in the KHL. He’s not that much of a black box.
This years leader board.....what does this show you?
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1. Dynamo Moskva 57 20 47 67 1.18 22 28 2. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 53 28 36 64 1.21 18 17 3. Torpedo Nizhny Novgorod 58 21 40 61 1.05 26 6 4. Dynamo Moskva 59 38 22 60 1.02 52 25 5. Ak Bars Kazan 52 27 30 57 1.10 24 12 6. Vityaz Podolsk 58 23 32 55 0.95 50 3 7. Jokerit 53 12 42 54 1.02 12 30 8. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 50 23 30 53 1.06 26 22 9. Salavat Yulaev Ufa 55 19 33 52 0.95 10 18 10. Dinamo Minsk 52 25 24 49 0.94 45 14
If you are going to discount age into the equation it is on you to explain why?
Don’t you understand how dumb Tampa Bay is? Who would want to use their template of bridging their players. /s
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How is Tampa of all teams a template? They give all their young players short bridge deals because that’s all they can afford in their cap crunch. They don’t get burned after the deals are up because players want to stay on the unstoppable Cup winning juggernaut in the tax-friendly Sunny Florida.
Unless you’re arguing any NHL team can get players like Kucherov and Point signed to 8 year/9.5m deals when then they are one year from UFA, but that’s a ludicrous argument.
Saying the Wild shouldn’t be concerned about Kaprizov hitting arbitration when he will have only been on the team for two year or three years, and likely won nothing while not playing with future Hall of Famers (so not Tampa), is magical thinking. Sorry, you can’t complain about the risks of around performance and then hand waive this more concrete one away.
And lol on agreeing with the Wild getting “2 years to fix any cap issues” actually means anything considering what their cap situation is.
That ain’t a two year thing and you can’t “fix” it. (I think some Wild fans might have mentioned their cap situation in this thread before, once or twice or 97 times before.)
Great deal for the Wild to lock up their franchise player, Kirill. Good deal for both sides. He's a treat to watch play.
KOPITARRULEZ11
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And Kaprizov dominated failed NHLers being 21-22 year old. That's why he plays in the NHL now.
