Confirmed Signing with Link: [MIN] Kirill Kaprizov re-signs with the Wild (5 years, $9M AAV)

[nbwingsfan]

Marner got $65M after one 90+ point season. I don't think the 60-70 point player he was prior to that was what got him almost 11M AAV.
Draisaitl got 8.5M AAV for one almost point per game season.
Aho got 8.5M for one point per game season.
Pastrnak got almost 7M AAV for one good season.
Larkin got paid based on one good season.
Meier got paid based on one good season.

Now add their total NHL games played. Hundreds of games of NHL play versus 55… yeah, great examples !

 

[AKL]

Now add their total NHL games played. Hundreds of games of NHL play versus 55… yeah, great examples !

Does it matter what their total number of games are? Draisaitl didn't get 8.5M for the 50 point season he had before he broke out. Pastrnak didn't get 7M for the two sub-30 point seasons he had before hitting 70. These guys are getting paid for their performance in one single season, combined with management's confidence in them either maintaining that level, or improving, during the contract. No different than what happened with Kaprizov here. The only difference with Kaprizov is instead of putting up 20-40 points in the NHL the last year or two, he was leading the KHL in scoring.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Does it matter what their total number of games are? Draisaitl didn't get 8.5M for the 50 point season he had before he broke out. Pastrnak didn't get 7M for the two sub-30 point seasons he had before hitting 70. These guys are getting paid for their performance in one single season, combined with management's confidence in them either maintaining that level, or improving, during the contract. No different than what happened with Kaprizov here. The only difference with Kaprizov is instead of putting up 20-40 points in the NHL the last year or two, he was leading the KHL in scoring.

None of these guys minus Marner (a prett unanimously viewed upon as a bad contract) got $9+M over only 5 years. All these guys played FULL seasons as well as hundreds of games before. If you can’t see the difference in confidence of multiple NHL + seasons versus one barely half season then I’m not sure what to tell you. Now add in that he got a bigger contract than all of them too.

 

[AKL]

None of these guys minus Marner (a prett unanimously viewed upon as a bad contract) got $9+M over only 5 years. All these guys played FULL seasons as well as hundreds of games before. If you can’t see the difference in confidence of multiple NHL + seasons versus one barely half season then I’m not sure what to tell you. Now add in that he got a bigger contract than all of them too.

I can see the difference, you've just failed to explain why what you're trying to say matters.

Kaprizov has demonstrated that he is a certain level of player over the past several years.
Kaprizov proved his skill translates to the NHL.
Kaprizov got paid based on his NHL performance + confidence that he will main/improve.

This is the exact same process every younger player goes through.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I can see the difference, you've just failed to explain why what you're trying to say matters.

Kaprizov has demonstrated that he is a certain level of player over the past several years.
Kaprizov proved his skill translates to the NHL.
Kaprizov got paid based on his NHL performance + confidence that he will main/improve.

This is the exact same process every younger player goes through.

Nope, they go through hundreds of NHL games before getting paid obscene amounts of money. None of them get it off of one half season.

 

[AKL]

Nope, they go through hundreds of NHL games before getting paid obscene amounts of money. None of them get it off of one half season.

So you're telling me your opinion is that Pastrnak, for example, got almost 7M for 6 years because of the 27 and 26 point seasons he had his first two years?

 

[MuckOG]

Nope, they go through hundreds of NHL games before getting paid obscene amounts of money. None of them get it off of one half season.

You still don't understand the unique circumstances of Kaprizov's situation versus most other NHLers? Still escapes you?

 

[Kshahdoo]

Can you name any player that has had similar circumstances? I can only name one, and even that's not a match because Panarin didn't have a pandemic eating a year of his ELC through no fault of the player or team.

If anything, Panarin's example shows Minnesota does it right...

 

[nbwingsfan]

So you're telling me your opinion is that Pastrnak, for example, got almost 7M for 6 years because of the 27 and 26 point seasons he had his first two years?

That he showed great skill with little opportunity in the NHL while following that up with a 70pt season (not 50) like Kap. He also didn’t get $9M.

So yeah, that’s not comparable

 

[nbwingsfan]

You still don't understand the unique circumstances of Kaprizov's situation versus most other NHLers? Still escapes you?

Yes, it’s very unique to give a player a $9M AAV after 55 games of NHL play. Unheard of actually.

 

[AKL]

That he showed great skill with little opportunity in the NHL while following that up with a 70pt season (not 50) like Kap. He also didn’t get $9M.

So yeah, that’s not comparable

27 points showed great skill and ability to be worth 7M?

 

[nbwingsfan]

27 points showed great skill and ability to be worth 7M?

Not mentioning his games played? Do you just consider Kaprizov a 50pt player then? Wow his contract is even worse than!
Scoring at a 40pt pace with limited ice time as an 18 year old following that up with 70+pt pace is what earned him a $7M contract.

55 games at a 70pt pace as a 23 year old earned Kaprizov a $9M contract.

Somehow this is comparable to you?

 

[MuckOG]

Not mentioning his games played? Do you just consider Kaprizov a 50pt player then? Wow his contract is even worse than!
Scoring at a 40pt pace with limited ice time as an 18 year old following that up with 70+pt pace is what earned him a $7M contract.

55 games at a 70pt pace as a 23 year old earned Kaprizov a $9M contract.

Somehow this is comparable to you?

Kaprizov was a PPG player and won scoring titles and championships in the 2nd best league in the world at a young age and didn't miss a beat when he hit the NHL ice. The stage was so big for him that he scored 3 points including GWG in OT in his very first NHL game.

If he doesn't follow up this past seasons performance with an equal or better one, I'll eat my hat. Is there a risk? Certainly, but no more no less than any other young player. The only difference between Kaprizov and most others is he chose to polish his game at home in the KHL. Seems to have served him well.

I've got him down for 40 goals and 40 assists this season.


--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2014-15 Novokuznetsk Metallurg KHL 31 4 4 8 6 -- -- -- -- --
2015-16 Novokuznetsk Metallurg KHL 53 11 16 27 10 -- -- -- -- --
2016-17 Ufa Salavat Yulayev KHL 49 20 22 42 66 5 3 0 3 0
2017-18 CSKA Moscow KHL 46 15 25 40 14 19 2 8 10 7
2018-19 CSKA Moscow KHL 57 30 21 51 16 19 4 10 14 13
2019-20 CSKA Moscow KHL 57 33 29 62 10 4 2 2 4 2
2020-21 Minnesota Wild NHL 55 27 24 51 16 7 2 1 3 4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 55 27 24 51 16 7 2 1 3 4

 

[Oddbob]

Hronek is only a top 4 defender on one of the worst teams in the league. His metrics are awful. But I guess since he's on your team and Yzerman signed it, it's a market value deal. In his case one good year followed by two awful ones and it's ok to pay him based on the first, because he's played 3 years after all. But Kaprizov has one fantastic year and to pay him based on that is insane. Do you see the disconnect there?

Metrics mean nothing, and 4.4 over 3 and 9 over 5 is a gigantic difference. See the massive disconnect there.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Kaprizov was a PPG player and won scoring titles and championships in the 2nd best league in the world at a young age and didn't miss a beat when he hit the NHL ice. The stage was so big for him that he scored 3 points including GWG in OT in his very first NHL game.

If he doesn't follow up this past seasons performance with an equal or better one, I'll eat my hat. Is there a risk? Certainly, but no more no less than any other young player. The only difference between Kaprizov and most others is he chose to polish his game at home in the KHL. Seems to have served him well.

I've got him down for 40 goals and 40 assists this season.


--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2014-15 Novokuznetsk Metallurg KHL 31 4 4 8 6 -- -- -- -- --
2015-16 Novokuznetsk Metallurg KHL 53 11 16 27 10 -- -- -- -- --
2016-17 Ufa Salavat Yulayev KHL 49 20 22 42 66 5 3 0 3 0
2017-18 CSKA Moscow KHL 46 15 25 40 14 19 2 8 10 7
2018-19 CSKA Moscow KHL 57 30 21 51 16 19 4 10 14 13
2019-20 CSKA Moscow KHL 57 33 29 62 10 4 2 2 4 2
2020-21 Minnesota Wild NHL 55 27 24 51 16 7 2 1 3 4
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NHL Totals 55 27 24 51 16 7 2 1 3 4

What he did in his first game means absolutwky nothing. Fabian Brunnstrom (can’t even remember if that’s his name) had a hattrick his first game after being so hyped.

He could very well end up being just as good as this season. But he also would not be the first rookie to start strong and then fade away or not really improve. Those guys didn’t get $9M after their first year though

 

[Bazeek]

Apply some of the "hasn't earned it" logic presented in this thread to UFAs and you reliably get the worst contracts in the league. No complaints about Minnesota making the "risky" signing instead this time.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Way to go. Players need to start holding firm and using their star power to break the hardline stance of these cheap ass front office types.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Nope, they go through hundreds of NHL games before getting paid obscene amounts of money. None of them get it off of one half season.

LOL. You know what an ELC is right?

You trying to compare Kaprizov to NA contracts is plain silly.

 

[AKL]

If there's one thing I've learned from this whole ordeal, it's that games played is the only metric to consider when giving someone a new contract. The more games you play = the more proven you are = the more money you deserve.

 

[north21]

Not mentioning his games played? Do you just consider Kaprizov a 50pt player then? Wow his contract is even worse than!
Scoring at a 40pt pace with limited ice time as an 18 year old following that up with 70+pt pace is what earned him a $7M contract.

55 games at a 70pt pace as a 23 year old earned Kaprizov a $9M contract.

Somehow this is comparable to you?

They are closer than you seem to think. No not the same thing but start using shades of gray instead of only black and white reasoning.

If the wild and wild fans are wrong in five years you can really let us have it.

 

[nbwingsfan]

LOL. You know what an ELC is right?

You trying to compare Kaprizov to NA contracts is plain silly.

Only thing silly here is giving a guy with 50 games of experience $9M AAV

 

[Digitalbooya]

Way to go. Players need to start holding firm and using their star power to break the hardline stance of these cheap ass front office types.

That’s not at all what happened here. They were offering $8M+ from the start.

 

[Digitalbooya]

Only thing silly here is giving a guy with 50 games of experience $9M AAV

He’s worth it to those that watch him.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Metrics mean nothing

Yeah, if we had to rely on facts your opinions would be worthless. And that would be a shame

 

[Foppberg]

Not sure how well Minnesota will be able to compete with Suter/Parise buyouts on the books for the next few years.