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They are that's why they gave up A-tier assets to get those 2 guys.Whats going on? Aren't young talented RD highly in demand?
They are that's why they gave up A-tier assets to get those 2 guys.Whats going on? Aren't young talented RD highly in demand?
What are you talking about? We've been following Jiricek since we drafted him. He's been weak in his own end and never once showed a glimpse of being physical and hasn't really put on any extra weight. He couldn't beat out Jack Johnson and Jordan Harris in camp and couldn't do it during the season even though he was given ample opportunity.How in the world could you know this when he was in the pressbox every game. This sounds like you're trying to convince yourself your team didn't just get bent over.
As of yesterday, CBJ technically we're in the playoffs by point percentage. Obviously it's early still but jackets are something like 8-3-1 at home, 2-6-2 on the road.Is Columbus out of the playoff race? The Jiricek trade probably doesn't happen the same way if Waddell isn't gifted Fabbro.
With the Johnny G tragedy looming over their season, you wonder if this isn't a team that could make the playoffs as an underdog.
Hunt seems like he will be a good fit in helping the development of Mateychuk.
Hahaha coming from a fan of that team that never won anything that’s boldJordan Harris is from a trash organization with no clue what it means to produce an actual defenseman. Let alone a team interested in how to defend or transition. Maybe one player on that team plays on the Wild’s blue line right now. Also a team that takes up most of the bandwidth of this site talking about prospects that every other team possesses.
I’d trust Minnesota knows a hell of a lot more on what they are doing with their defenseman at every level than that organization.
The thread is about Jiricek. There's always that one that tries to derail the thread.Right on cue hes tyson barrie reincarnated. Dipsy doodles in the offensive zone dont make up for him being an undersized incapable defender in his own end.
Montreal hasn't won anything in 30 years, since Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville and quite a few others joined the league, so idk what you're bragging about.Hahaha coming from a fan of that team that never won anything that’s bold
I also seen Cbus fans saying they would get a Jiricek-equivalent prospect or asking for Rossi straight up. The so claimed good haul is far less than what Cbus were asking for.A lot of people dogging cbus for the return at least early in the thread….i think they did great. A guy they feel they have to move, who hasn’t developed much and wants out…..which everyone knows….for a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and a depth player?!? That’s a pretty huge haul! Good job Cbus.
They have won though. Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville never have.Montreal hasn't won anything in 30 years, since Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville and quite a few others joined the league, so idk what you're bragging about.
I keep seeing this comment and have to disagree a bit.I also seen Cbus fans saying they would get a Jiricek-equivalent prospect or asking for Rossi straight up. The so claimed good haul is far less than what Cbus were asking for.
They have won though. Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville never have.
CBJ got a 3rd, also.Kinda shocked to see how many people think B-grade prospect about to step into the NHL, 1st, 2nd and 4th are a bad return on Jiricek who, by all indications, has not been developing great.
Honestly, it's great timing for the Jackets to pull the trigger on this now when Jiricek clearly is not working out for them but hasn't lost value.
That last thing that the Wild needed was another late first caliber prospect. The pool is so deep with guys. I don’t see how this hurts us too much, but I am going to miss hunt.Bold move for Guerin who didn’t have to make it. These type of deals can really blow up in your face.
Have faith in Jiricek and it looks like Minnesota’s d core is going to be pretty good for a solid decade or so. However, I also liked Hunt. If Jiricek isn’t a high end 2nd pairing d man this could end up pretty painful for Minnesota. The good news for them, if he busts, it’s not a huge deal they already have their #1 back there and a pretty solid prospect pool.
Interested to see how the cap shakes out with them loading up on guys near the same age range with Kaprizov needing an extension soon.
The Roman Empire was great but their descendants don’t even have a seat at the big boys table these daysThey have won though. Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville never have.
I’m not bragging but Montreal sure doesn’t my have lessons to take from a team who hasn’t done anything.Montreal hasn't won anything in 30 years, since Minnesota, CBJ, Nashville and quite a few others joined the league, so idk what you're bragging about.
I think CBJ fans wanted Rossi, but didn't expect him.I keep seeing this comment and have to disagree a bit.
I was definitely one of the CBJ fans clamoring for a 1 for 1. I did not want a package like this. That doesn't mean the value wasn't right.
Example, I thought the perfect fit (for CBJ, not sure what Seattle needs) was Shane Wright. Thought that was a very fair 1 for 1. Would Minnesota give a 1, 2, 3, 4, and decent defensemen prospect for Wright? I doubt it.
The value here is perfectly fine, I just hope DW uses some of these picks for players that can help next year, not guys in 2030.
Combination of Jiricek thinking he's above the ahl and CBJ thinking he's not trending to become what he was drafted to be.If this guy is worth a package that big, then it implies hes not a bust. So then why would CBJ move him? Honest question, I haven’t followed him but this seems odd to move a franchise D at that age.
If he doesn’t develop into a player, then the return will have been great. The draft pick, not so much.Man, regardless of how Jiricek develops that's just a brutal return on investment for a 6th oa
The Jets don't cave. Not for Kane, not for Trouba, not for Laine, and not for PLD. They have to wait until it's the right thing for the team.Yeah this just never works. Everyone always says that, but the team always caves. If we hang on to him and he continues to shit down his leg against NHL competition then we're suddenly getting a 3rd rounder instead of the haul today.
Also, here's the part you're not understanding. Ive alluded to it multiple times in this thread. It's become fairly obvious that Waddell didn't think highly of either of them as players. Not to say they suck or anything, but they didn't fit what he was going for at all. He needs guys with motors who can skate. Neither fit the bill. There was mutual interest for both of them to move on.
Also calling him spineless is hilarious. Talk about an overreaction.
Sorry, lost me at "agility". He has a lot of tools but the two biggest that really need work are the killers for NHL defensemen. Skating ability and defensive IQ. He may build those in time but from all the reports in Columbust the last three years he has not improved and has, in fact, regressed. The questions about him wanting to be given a spot and not earn it tells me he needs a reboot and kick in the ass. Maybe this is a wakeup call and he has a new opportunity to reach his potential. What I think several lose sight of in Columbus was they drafted 4 big, mobile defensemen in last years draft and I don't think that was a coincidence with the system they were planning to build. Jiricek wasn't likely to get to where they needed him and he wasn't able to take ice time from Harris or Jack Johnson. That's...not good.Just gonna go on record and say Jiricek is going to work out well for the Wild. Agility and Offensive Ability in a Big Man makes him a player. Lack of explosiveness in his stride will be developed, won’t hold him back, he can already move well enough and has the range to be effective.
That said, for a distressed asset with a disgruntled agent, the Jackets did well in the Return. Sometimes ya gotta cut bait and take what you can. And trust me the return could have been a lot worse in those situations.
why would Kent Hughes want to match that? lolHow could Kent Hughes mot match that??? WTF WADDELL
Good ones like Faber areSo Minnesota got Faber via trade and now Jiricek?
Whats going on? Aren't young talented RD highly in demand?
So light those assets on fire and let anyone who doesn't want to be there all you have to do is ask and Waddell will cut his own throat to make it happen.Got to make room on the depth chart for better players. Provorov should be next.
They are operating right now with a 15M cap penalty...they'll be fine. Those penalties expire next year. Kaprizov will take a big bite out of the cap, but otherwise, all of their important players are signed. Some young ELC's like Buium, Ohgren, Wallstedt,and maybe Yurov should help bring some quality depth.Bold move for Guerin who didn’t have to make it. These type of deals can really blow up in your face.
Have faith in Jiricek and it looks like Minnesota’s d core is going to be pretty good for a solid decade or so. However, I also liked Hunt. If Jiricek isn’t a high end 2nd pairing d man this could end up pretty painful for Minnesota. The good news for them, if he busts, it’s not a huge deal they already have their #1 back there and a pretty solid prospect pool.
Interested to see how the cap shakes out with them loading up on guys near the same age range with Kaprizov needing an extension soon.