Confirmed with Link: Miller Re-Signed 7y/56m 8mAAV

[PavelBure10]

Personally I am quite happy to have Miller back with the Canucks. Although the term is a little long, the 8 million per is actually very good deal for the Canucks. Considering how much top 6 forwards have been signing for as of late.
Miller is the vocal leader on the team. I think the Canucks would of been lost without him, and the offers on the table simply weren't good enough to trade him. Nor was it worth risking to lose him for nothing after next season.
Yes Miller is getting up there in age, but his value to the team is worth well more than the crappy rumors that we've been hearing. I for one am happy to have J.T back, and I will embrace his presence on the team next year, and the many years after.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

I would have rather done $9.5 or $10 million per for 5 years.

I think that contract would suck.

And at 9.5 its like 17 percent less real money. Even at 10 its over 10 percent less. So number 1 you have offered a wildly large price range there and 2 thats alot less on a contract that could be argued Miller already left money on the table.

 

[VanJack]

Count me as shocked that the Canucks actually re-upped Miller.....just didn't see it coming.

But I guess Rutherford and Allvin took stock of what they were being offered in the trade market, and decided that without Miller the team would be taking a major step backward.

That, and the fact that the salary cap is set for a significant rise next year, probably changed the landscape for a new contract for Miller.

And when you look at who the Canucks have down the middle--Miller, Horvat and Pettersson--it's one of the top center groups in the Western Conference. In retrospect, I'm glad they kept them together to see what they can accomplish.

 

[Coffee]

Welp. I guess we're goin for it. Suit up boys and girls.

Well I mean, If you trade Miller for 2 firsts , Owen Tippet and a useless contract, maybe they were worried Pettersson migth walk?

 

[Coffee]

All in baby! Time to start trading firsts

I'm just going to keep liking your posts everytime I see you for as long as you have that hilarious Benning picture up

 

[The Stig]

The more I think about it, the more I think this was the right move. Any picks we would have gotten for him would have been late 1sts and not be ready for a few years. We need to capitalize on the age and contracts of Petey, Hughes and Demko. Petey is 23 right now. If you're banking on a 1st you'd get from trading Miller to be a sign of when you're ready, Petey will be what? 27? Demkos on a sweet contract. We have to use this time if we ever want these guys as our core pieces. It's not the most conventional way to go for it, but no two teams are the same. Tampa is a lot of home grown talent, Calgary is all pick ups from other teams.

I actually think this is the perfect season to open the window. Calgary got better but older (we also don't know how Huberdeau and Kadri will mesh with Sutter) and Sutter hasnt figured out that if you ride Marky hard, he falls off hard without a break, Edmonton is still a 2 player team and who knows if Kane implodes again and Campbell is jekyll and hyde in net, Vegas doesn't have a goalie and had to dump Pacioretty for nothing, LA was good last year but they still rely on their aging core. SJ and Anaheim are in a rebuild, and Seattle doesnt have an identity yet. This is the perfect opportunity to kick the door in and establish ourselves for the next few years.

 

[andora]

Count me as shocked that the Canucks actually re-upped Miller.....just didn't see it coming.

But I guess Rutherford and Allvin took stock of what they were being offered in the trade market, and decided that without Miller the team would be taking a major step backward.

That, and the fact that the salary cap is set for a significant rise next year, probably changed the landscape for a new contract for Miller.

And when you look at who the Canucks have down the middle--Miller, Horvat and Pettersson--it's one of the top center groups in the Western Conference. In retrospect, I'm glad they kept them together to see what they can accomplish.

What is your reference for the cap rising significantly next year? Did something come out in the last few weeks?

 

[Regress2TheMeme]

I'm disappointed that management couldn't swing a retool around the best, young pieces they have, but I'm not sorry that they didn't deal Miller for one of the crappy packages they were being offered. You only take a loss when you actually sell. Despite all the talk about Miller wanting to be in Vancouver I think he'll be happy to move on if the team doesn't perform next season. Maybe that offers will look better then. And if the team does take a big step forward that's great.

 

[Kryten]

Well I mean, If you trade Miller for 2 firsts , Owen Tippet and a useless contract, maybe they were worried Pettersson migth walk?

Letting Miller walk or trading him for a poor return would likely make Pettersson want out. This way players know that they are part of a group that is trying to do something

 

[strattonius]

Letting Miller walk or trading him for a poor return would likely make Pettersson want out. This way players know that they are part of a group that is trying to do something

This is an understated point. Some of our players don't want to take a step back in hopes of something better down the road. It's a different perspective being a player. I don't like the typical 'well he has no say in the matter' or ' good then we'll move on from him too' responses you'll typically get. Just in general these forums often overlook the more human aspect of the business. There is definitely more nuance there then a lot of us think about.

 

[rypper]

This is an understated point. Some of our players don't want to take a step back in hopes of something better down the road. It's a different perspective being a player. I don't like the typical 'well he has no say in the matter' or ' good then we'll move on from him too' responses you'll typically get. Just in general these forums often overlook the more human aspect of the business. There is definitely more nuance there then a lot of us think about.

I don't disagree but I also see a way of maneuvering it as to not make waves with the players left behind. (Also moving on from Miller due to trade/FA doesn't necessarily have to signal big step back.)

With a player like Pettersson you play to their ego. "We're moving on from Miller to address the defense, but also to give you room to become a leader... that we know you can be etc. This is your team now... or things to that nature. He still might want to jump ship or he might embrace it.

 

[racerjoe]

The more I think about it, the more I think this was the right move. Any picks we would have gotten for him would have been late 1sts and not be ready for a few years. We need to capitalize on the age and contracts of Petey, Hughes and Demko. Petey is 23 right now. If you're banking on a 1st you'd get from trading Miller to be a sign of when you're ready, Petey will be what? 27? Demkos on a sweet contract. We have to use this time if we ever want these guys as our core pieces. It's not the most conventional way to go for it, but no two teams are the same. Tampa is a lot of home grown talent, Calgary is all pick ups from other teams.

I actually think this is the perfect season to open the window. Calgary got better but older (we also don't know how Huberdeau and Kadri will mesh with Sutter) and Sutter hasnt figured out that if you ride Marky hard, he falls off hard without a break, Edmonton is still a 2 player team and who knows if Kane implodes again and Campbell is jekyll and hyde in net, Vegas doesn't have a goalie and had to dump Pacioretty for nothing, LA was good last year but they still rely on their aging core. SJ and Anaheim are in a rebuild, and Seattle doesnt have an identity yet. This is the perfect opportunity to kick the door in and establish ourselves for the next few years.

I would only add it is impossible to know if it is the correct move or not without seeing what the otherside looks like. I mean like what we were actually offered. And since that will never happen we may never know.

 

[m9]

Letting Miller walk or trading him for a poor return would likely make Pettersson want out. This way players know that they are part of a group that is trying to do something

Management/ownership doesn't need to tiptoe around a group of players that has for the most part been a mess since the last 5+ years. EP has a contract and then there's team control after that. If he gets pouty because he doesn't like a trade then that's not a guy you want on your team anyway.

But these type of things aren't an issue for good teams. Good management should know the team dynamic and be proactive in these kind of situations. Fix them before they become an issue. Regardless of whether or not I agree with this move, the fact they did something here vs letting key players walk to UFA like the last management group is a positive.

 

[strattonius]

I don't disagree but I also see a way of maneuvering it as to not make waves with the players left behind. (Also moving on from Miller due to trade/FA doesn't necessarily have to signal big step back.)

With a player like Pettersson you play to their ego. "We're moving on from Miller to address the defense, but also to give you room to become a leader... that we know you can be etc. This is your team now... or things to that nature. He still might want to jump ship or he might embrace it.

Bringing up Pettersson is the most interesting point because I think we all know who's being referred to when trying to keep a player happy.

Really I just see Pettersson's game catapulting to the next level as early as this year. I doubt the decision to sign Miller came down to keeping our pieces happy, but I have zero doubts it was a part of the conversation. I think Miller had no market and the trade options were garbage leading to the next best option.

 

[SurferBroChad]

I would only add it is impossible to know if it is the correct move or not without seeing what the otherside looks like. I mean like what we were actually offered. And since that will never happen we may never know.

lol a deal finally looks reasonable by a lot of posters (rare on canucks hfboards) and its impossible to know if it was good.

 

[racerjoe]

lol a deal finally looks reasonable by a lot of posters (rare on canucks hfboards) and its impossible to know if it was good.

What are you talking about? The other side being trade options...

In terms of contract I have been pretty vocal this is a good contract, and under valued.

 

[SurferBroChad]

What are you talking about? The other side being trade options...

In terms of contract I have been pretty vocal this is a good contract, and under valued.

oh my bad

 

[DueDiligence]

What are you talking about? The other side being trade options...

In terms of contract I have been pretty vocal this is a good contract, and under valued.

good contract now. In 4 years probably not.

 

[VanillaCoke]

good contract now. In 4 years probably not.

It will still be good in 4 years relative to the cap then. Maybe not really good like rn, but good.

 

[Steamer]

Lockwood goes down. That only leaves 13 nhl forwards. Hogs, Dick, Lazar and Joshua battle for the opening night roster spots. 1 sits. Someone will be injured soon enough (like always).
Having great depth at forward is only a problem if you're going to lose someone decent on waivers (not likely this year), or you use it to point out the problematic defence group.

Yes, I considered that, but I still see too many forwards. Can Hogs play 4th line? Maybe I should have said too many top 3 line players. Even if Lockwood goes down I think Hogs may too if his only chance is 4th line. I am not sure of his waiver status, but I can see how the management may prefer both Lockwood and Hogs in Abby since a call up is so easy. Right now I see the 3 Russians, Garland, Brock, and Pearson as the top wingers. Yeah, they will have injuries, but Abby is so close, I think they may decide to send Hogs down or trade him as part of a package for more RHD. There is also a chance of PTO. If they sign a serviceable 4th liner for the league minimum you can see how Hogs might be odd man out. Alternatively he could come to camp and he and Petey and Pods are on fire together. LOL. I definitely think this is he make or break year with the team ELC or not.

 

[overboard]

Can Hogs play 4th line? Maybe I should have said too many top 3 line players. Even if Lockwood goes down I think Hogs may too if his only chance is 4th line. I am not sure of his waiver status, but I can see how the management may prefer both Lockwood and Hogs in Abby since a call up is so easy.

According to Capfriendly, Höglander is waivers exempt

 

[sting101]

Personally I am quite happy to have Miller back with the Canucks. Although the term is a little long, the 8 million per is actually very good deal for the Canucks. Considering how much top 6 forwards have been signing for as of late.
Miller is the vocal leader on the team. I think the Canucks would of been lost without him, and the offers on the table simply weren't good enough to trade him. Nor was it worth risking to lose him for nothing after next season.
Yes Miller is getting up there in age, but his value to the team is worth well more than the crappy rumors that we've been hearing. I for one am happy to have J.T back, and I will embrace his presence on the team next year, and the many years after.

Well said

He's materialized into my favorite Canuck and it's not all due to his points.

Love the accountability honesty competitive fire and his physicality...guy brings it and backs it up with talent.
He's addressed his weaknesses recently which was nice to hear also.

This team would be lost without him for awhile and his cap hit was definitely a concession to allow the team some flexibility. Not sure what else we can ask for.

Now it's on Allvin and the Ruthermonks to assemble a contender seeing that they decided they are close.

 

[sting101]

I could see Hoglander breaking out to be honest.

Had his sophomore slump year with some tough love with his defensive play consistency and turnovers at the bluelines.

Seems like an ultra competitive fiery guy and he's buddies with EP40 I could see him seizing that LW spot on his line.

I think Kuzmenko gets the tough love to start this year but absolutely these 2 guys are gonna be battling for ice time

 

[Shareefruck]

I'm hoping that Pearson is the guy that everyone ends up outplaying, leaving him on the 4th line. Probably unlikely, though.

 

[logan5]

Pearson can put me into a deep sleep instantly, but his 5v5 numbers are pretty good. I’m was hoping Hoglander or somebody else. would displace him off of the 3rd line, but I don’t think that’s going to happen. Coaches like him. I guess it’s something you just gotta learn to accept.