Confirmed with Link: Miller Re-Signed 7y/56m 8mAAV

[Vector]

It's never going to happen, I know this, it's the kind of switcheroo that I think even Vegas would go "too far bro, too far!"

But what an epic move if it did happen. Imagine the reaction across social media etc.

Interesting. If they’re out of it before the deadline and actually move Miller on the new deal I’ll give them a Hell of a lot of credit. That’s some smart movement.

They obviously did it for a reason. If this roster crashes and burns again, tear it down.

The only scenario that is any way realistic is if it's another nightmare season and Miller becomes a problem. Almost assuredly would have to be a deadline move. Not tacking on the NMC for this season gives management just the tiniest option to pivot if the worst case scenario happens.

 

[Egghead1999]

Interesting. If they’re out of it before the deadline and actually move Miller on the new deal I’ll give them a Hell of a lot of credit. That’s some smart movement.

They obviously did it for a reason. If this roster crashes and burns again, tear it down.

You are banking on Miller having another great year and Canucks having another bad season.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Interesting. If they’re out of it before the deadline and actually move Miller on the new deal I’ll give them a Hell of a lot of credit. That’s some smart movement.

They obviously did it for a reason. If this roster crashes and burns again, tear it down.

Dangerous game to play, that shows your priorities are not to take care of your players but to capitalize on their value (which, ultimately, is the goal of management). But you can't be that transparent about it or nobody worth a shit will want to sign here.

 

[Aphid Attraction]

It's never going to happen, I know this, it's the kind of switcheroo that I think even Vegas would go "too far bro, too far!"

But what an epic move if it did happen. Imagine the reaction across social media etc.

I can see a world in which it happens, like if the start this season like last season… And I don’t think JT wanted a NMC this season so he wouldn’t be traded, I think he asked both as part of a negotiation tactic, and also so he himself would have ability to dictate where he gets traded to if the season goes to shit.

 

[rypper]

Dangerous game to play, that shows your priorities are not to take care of your players but to capitalize on their value (which, ultimately, is the goal of management). But you can't be that transparent about it or nobody worth a shit will want to sign here.

I agree but I'll also point to Vegas, and to a certain extent Tampa.

Winning changes everything.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

I can see a world in which it happens, like if the start this season like last season… And I don’t think JT wanted a NMC this season so he wouldn’t be traded, I think he asked both as part of a negotiation tactic, and also so he himself would have ability to dictate where he gets traded to if the season goes to shit.

Bally and smart move by Allvin, Benning would have 100% caved there.

I agree but I'll also point to Vegas, and to a certain extent Tampa.

Winning changes everything.

Vegas hasn't won shit. Tampa, I'll give you.

 

[rypper]

Bally and smart move by Allvin, Benning would have 100% caved there.


Vegas hasn't won shit. Tampa, I'll give you.

Cups no, but in their 5 years in the league they've made the finals once and the western conference final twice. This is the first year they've missed.

Players want to play for a winning team.

 

[racerjoe]

It's never going to happen, I know this, it's the kind of switcheroo that I think even Vegas would go "too far bro, too far!"

But what an epic move if it did happen. Imagine the reaction across social media etc.

Didn't this happen to like Richards and Carter in Philly?

 

[JohnHodgson]

Interesting. If they’re out of it before the deadline and actually move Miller on the new deal I’ll give them a Hell of a lot of credit. That’s some smart movement.

They obviously did it for a reason. If this roster crashes and burns again, tear it down.

Amidst all the discussion, I'm surprised barely anyone is talking about this.

Signing the extension gives contract certainty to this player, teams immensely value this. A prospective team trading for Miller should be much more comfortable giving more assets if they know he is secured in a long-term deal.

The door is open to a deal at the deadline if the Canucks season goes extremely sideways.

But I think it only happens if you work with Miller's camp and find the a destination he is comfortable with.

I'd say a very small chance of this happening but signing the extension definitely increases the haul of a package at the deadline. I think management realizes this but is also comfortable holding onto Miller for the duration of the contract... at least this provides flexibility and beats what happened with Gaudreau in Calgary.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Why aren’t they? Cause you decided so? We can quibble on the definition of contender I suppose but they were a top 5 team in the regular season, had arguably the best line in the league and one of the best defense cores and goalies. They’ve made lateral moves up front but have strengthened their team down the middle and on the backend.

Credit where its due..Sutter did a great job with that team..That core group (now disbanded) has never been in the SC contender conversation (except in 2020 when they were conceivably worse than the Canucks).

There's Colorado in the Western Conference, and everyone else..Calgary are in the pack with everyone else..Lucky to beat Dallas in game 7 of the first round, and easily dispatched by the Oilers in 5...A playoff team, not a contender.

Its debatable whether Huberdeau/Kadri are an upgrade on Gaudreau/Tkachuk...Its literally the same team otherwise.

 

[Vector]

Didn't this happen to like Richards and Carter in Philly?

Good catch. It was a little different as Richards was three seasons into a long term contract but his NMC kicked in the next season. Carter was exactly this scenario but without any sort of movement protection. He signed an 11 year contract extension in Nov. 2010 and was traded Jun. 2011 before that contract kicked in.

 

[rypper]

It kind of happened to Miller once before. Tampa traded him to us right before his trade protection was going to kick in, and then we opted not to honor it.

Amidst all the discussion, I'm surprised barely anyone is talking about this.

Signing the extension gives contract certainty to this player, teams immensely value this. A prospective team trading for Miller should be much more comfortable giving more assets if they know he is secured in a long-term deal.

The door is open to a deal at the deadline if the Canucks season goes extremely sideways.

But I think it only happens if you work with Miller's camp and find the a destination he is comfortable with.

I'd say a very small chance of this happening but signing the extension definitely increases the haul of a package at the deadline. I think management realizes this but is also comfortable holding onto Miller for the duration of the contract... at least this provides flexibility and beats what happened with Gaudreau in Calgary.

It is very interesting because if the team is all-in on Miller you'd think they would fulfill that request. Just leaves them an option, however unlikely.

 

[racerjoe]

It kind of happened to Miller once before. Tampa traded him to us right before his trade protection was going to kick in, and then we opted not to honor it.



It is very interesting because if the team is all-in on Miller you'd think they would fulfill that request. Just leaves them an option, however unlikely.

Absolute wild guess here on my part but I think the team will use it to keep options open while they try to open up cap space other ways. Essentially giving them the year to try and move out money. Where teams won't have them over a barrel.

 

[TruGr1t]

The only scenario that is any way realistic is if it's another nightmare season and Miller becomes a problem. Almost assuredly would have to be a deadline move. Not tacking on the NMC for this season gives management just the tiniest option to pivot if the worst case scenario happens.

I don’t know if I agree with that. If they fail to make the playoffs again I think there’s a pretty good case to be made you move him.

 

[Vector]

I don’t know if I agree with that. If they fail to make the playoffs again I think there’s a pretty good case to be made you move him.

There's that but it's incredibly harder to trade him once his NMC kicks in. So it's possible a trade happens before July, 2023.

 

[rypper]

Let's put it this way, if in the season opener Demko tears his ACL and Hughes goes hard into the boards and breaks a leg... all of a sudden having that emergency chute nuclear trade option for Miller might be pretty appealing.

 

[Pip]

Credit where its due..Sutter did a great job with that team..That core group (now disbanded) has never been in the SC contender conversation (except in 2020 when they were conceivably worse than the Canucks).

There's Colorado in the Western Conference, and everyone else..Calgary are in the pack with everyone else..Lucky to beat Dallas in game 7 of the first round, and easily dispatched by the Oilers in 5...A playoff team, not a contender.

Its debatable whether Huberdeau/Kadri are an upgrade on Gaudreau/Tkachuk...Its literally the same team otherwise.

So is Colorado the only contender in the West? If not can you name the other contenders? Just trying to get a gauge of your definition of contender. Always easy in hindsight to declare a team that lost as a non-contender

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

So is Colorado the only contender in the West? If not can you name the other contenders? Just trying to get a gauge of your definition of contender. Always easy in hindsight to declare a team that lost as a non-contender

There are more legit SC contenders in the East..Carolina,Tampa,( Leafs,Rangers tier 2))...With the exception of Colorado, all of the Wests playoff teams are a notch below these teams.

 

[geebaan]

If you trade him, you basically signal your any meaningful free agent you aren’t to be trusted. Zero percent chance he gets traded before that contract starts.

 

[rypper]

If you trade him, you basically signal your any meaningful free agent you aren’t to be trusted. Zero percent chance he gets traded before that contract starts.

I don't necessarily disagree but players still willingly sign in Tampa, Philly, Vegas etc and they've all pulled similar if not the same moves.

 

[Peen]

discussion about not backdating the nmc is moot imo

they’re not going to trade him against his wishes. optics are bad. no team does that before signing a deal.

 

[Vector]

discussion about not backdating the nmc is moot imo

they’re not going to trade him against his wishes. optics are bad. no team does that before signing a deal.

As pointed out earlier, Flyers did it with Carter.

 

[JohnHodgson]

discussion about not backdating the nmc is moot imo

they’re not going to trade him against his wishes. optics are bad. no team does that before signing a deal.

Agreed.

Optics are too important in this situation. We can only deal him if it's in mutual interest.

 

[JohnHodgson]

As pointed out earlier, Flyers did it with Carter.

Yeah but the Flyers drafted him, spent a lot of resources in developing him, and signed him to a very generous 11 year deal before trading him. And they got a really good deal for Carter.

Not really apples to apples here. JT has been playing way above his contract in Vancouver and just committed to 8 more years in Vancouver despite the team being largely mediocre. JT is also the far and away best forward on the team, he's one of the core pieces of this franchise - some would even call him face of the franchise.

Being a Canadian team and scaring a lot of players, the optics are just too important for the Canucks to do him dirty like that. It has be to an amicable departure on both sides. If season goes sideways I think the Canucks should evaluate a full rebuild, selling prime assets (Demko, Hughes, Petey) at their peaks.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

As pointed out earlier, Flyers did it with Carter.

Wasn’t that around the time he was partying and linked to doing blow?