Friedman: Miller extension unlikely with Canucks, timeline doesnt fit, and trade offers are going to be too good to pass up

[Canuck Luck]

You have been able to convince Kilowatt to do bad trade for Kings, but I am pretty sure that majority of LA fans still not interested in trade for Miller…

do the majority of those Kings fans also think a 60-70 point player is AT BEST a 3rd liner on a contender? I wouldn't care to convince those fans of anything. To those posters, i'd imagine they would say things like I wouldn't take a Kopitar or Miller for just the cap space they cost.

After all, what team has the cap space for a 10M 3C who ideally would be a 4C.

I'd probably do it if LA is able to sign Miller to an extension before the trade. I know a lot of Kings fans will freak out and say that it's too much to trade, but the truth is that Blake and McLellan probably won't put Vilardi in a position to succeed here. He was our 2C two seasons ago, and then this past season he was kind of a scapegoat and spent most of the year in Ontario. It is what it is, I still have high hopes for him, but I don't think the organization does.

Turcotte is so tough because he keeps getting injured, but if he were healthy, he'd be the perfect LA player. In fact, I'd love to have Turcotte on Miller's wing. That would be an ideal situation for us.

A change of scenery would do Vilardi a ton of good I think, especially if there's room for him in Vancouver's top six.

Would Vilardi, Faber, and LA's 23 1st do the trick instead, then?

Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Turcotte - Miller - Arvidsson
Moore - Danault - Kaliyev
JAD - Lizotte - Grundstrom


No one's convinced me of anything, I just see who McLellan plays and who McLellan doesn't play. The best case scenario for me is that all the prospects we've drafted are put into top six roles and thrive. Unfortunately, we don't live in fantasy land. Instead, we have guys like Athanasiou and Iafallo playing next to Kopitar for half the season, even though there are other options available. If we're not going to give our prospects playing time in a rebuild, then I'd rather trade them for valuable players who will help us win.

I get wanting to keep Turcotte. Same reason I'd want to buy low on him, is the reason the Kings would rather hope he turns it around. I would do the 23 1st + Faber + Vilardi deal. Its very comparable to the 23 1st + 22 2nd + Faber/Turcotte deal

 

[wintersej]

I'm having trouble following which fan bases are actually into the idea of paying a high price for a signed Miller? Teams with the pieces, the cap space and the need.

 

[Hal 9000]

This sounds like another rebuild for Vancouver.

 

[Raistlin]

There is not a player on Vancouvers roster the Avs trade Byram for. He’s so much more valuable than a JT Miller rental. Byram looks exactly like what a star number 1 D man looks like at age 20.

I doubt Avs put Newhook on the table either. They see him as a second line player next year.

the Nashville offer would be your best one from that list.

this keeps coming up. Byram's concussion history is a pure roll of the dice, when he has to take a time out from playing at 20, that is a gigantic red flag, to be honest, if the need for a player to play with QH is not so dire, canucks dont take this risk for a top 10 player going the other way. See Patrick, Stepan etc.. Lets see how the Avs fare in the next round, Sakic will be under the gun to get MacK the help he needs now if they dont make finals. Anyways, there are countless suitors for Miller, he has no NTC, Avs SHOULD be interested if they are serious with a cup run in 2023.

 

[McJedi]

this keeps coming up. Byram's concussion history is a pure roll of the dice, when he has to take a time out from playing at 20, that is a gigantic red flag, to be honest, if the need for a player to play with QH is not so dire, canucks dont take this risk for a top 10 player going the other way. See Patrick, Stepan etc.. Lets see how the Avs fare in the next round, Sakic will be under the gun to get MacK the help he needs now if they dont make finals. Anyways, there are countless suitors for Miller, he has no NTC, Avs SHOULD be interested if they are serious with a cup run in 2023.

So the Avs will take the risk this incredible 20 year old LHD will pan out. Hard pass on acquiring the 29+ year old JT miller rental.

Avs would offer something like 2023 1st, JT Compher and Kaut.

Vancouver should get a better offer elsewhere.

Sakic would laugh in Vancouvers stupid face if they thought JT Miller rental gets you Byram.

I know Byram is from Vancouver and all, but get his name out of your mouth.

 

[Petes2424]

The two players who probably get moved draft day, are Miller and Bertuzzi, assuming neither are signed.

Watching these playoffs, it’s clear certain teams are missing certain elements these two bring to the table. Both will grab a nice return and will sign with their new team. Meaning the return won’t be effected by only one year remaining on their deal.

The leafs will be rumored on both and this won’t be your typical rumor about every player and the Leafs. They WILL be involved and willing to pay the price they haven’t been willing to pay before.

Shanahan is still banging his head off the wall, (waking up in cold sweats every night) seeing Nylander circling the net twice in Game 7 without without a scoring chance. He’s having nightmares over it because it represents what’s wrong with the team.

And he knows better…..

People should remember, Shanahan was the player Detroit targeted in the 1996-97’ season, along with Tomas Sandstrom later in the season, to bring this same element to Detroit, resulting in back to back Cups.

Even though Sandstrom was only in Detroit that one season and playoff, he played an important role during the season and obviously in the playoffs.

The Leafs will make at least 2 moves to bring this element to the roster. One will be big, and one or two will be supporting roles. It will be something like Bertuzzi and Paul.

If Calgary doesn’t get their act straight, they should also be all over trying to land one of these two. Pittsburgh, LA, NSH, STL and Dallas would no doubt, also be interested.

Won’t be cheap though. Tampa keeps paying the price others haven’t been willing to. That will change this summer and Miller and Bertuzzi will change a team for the better.. overnight.

 

[deckercky]

This sounds like another rebuild for Vancouver.

Honestly, it wouldn't be the worst idea to sell whatever assets they can now, filling gaps in the roster with discount UFAs, with the idea of building around Pettersson, Hughes and Demko, with the hopes of pushing for playoffs 2-3 seasons from now when prospects are starting to push for spots.

 

[brock hughes007]

Maybe it's an even bigger deal where it's something like

Miller+ Garland

for Nylander+ another player

Maybe Vancouver Swaps 2 wingers for 1 winger in Nylander and another player

I'm not going to suggest who that other player is because I don't know what Vancouver needs.

But I do know that at last years deadline, before Garland's summer trade to Vancouver Dubas had conversations with Arizona about Garland.

maybe he tries to land both Miller and Garland

who knows all I know for sure is I expect changes because Dubas has 1 year remaining on his deal and Matthews can sign an extension in a year.

this is a BIG summer for the franchise

We don't want a Nylander,,the guy is soft as butter,,I'd rather we keep Miller

 

[RandV]

I'm having trouble following which fan bases are actually into the idea of paying a high price for a signed Miller? Teams with the pieces, the cap space and the need.

And I have forever had trouble understanding why some fans think the fanbase decide what gets done or not. That's fine for the Fantasy Hockey forum, but this is the trade rumours board and a rumour starting this thread is that there will be a bidding war for Miller. If that is true then it doesn't really matter how many fans are 'uncomfortable' signing a 30 year old player to a big extension.

 

[wintersej]

And I have forever had trouble understanding why some fans think the fanbase decide what gets done or not. That's fine for the Fantasy Hockey forum, but this is the trade rumours board and a rumour starting this thread is that there will be a bidding war for Miller. If that is true then it doesn't really matter how many fans are 'uncomfortable' signing a 30 year old player to a big extension.

That, of course, is fair... but its the best proxy we have. "Bidding war" is an entirely subjective term and the tone of these Miller threads isn't the kind of bidding war Canucks fans are getting all hot and lathered about.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Liljegren and Nylander

Hahahaha thats a good one. man you should try stand up I think you would do well

From the Leafs id offer
To Canucks
2022 1st
2023 1st
Niemela - high end Rd prospect
Engvall big Lw/C capable of 15 to 20 goals
To
Toronto
Miller @ 50% retained

Think I'd rather just lose in the 1st round again trade all that and then lose Miller a year later..... No thanks

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Hahahaha thats a good one. man you should try stand up I think you would do well


Think I'd rather just lose in the 1st round again trade all that and then lose Miller a year later..... No thanks

Well thats why everyone has opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours as well.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Well thats why everyone has opinions and you are certainly entitled to yours as well.

Oh so you actually think Liljegren + Nylander is a fair ask for UFA JT Miller?

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Oh so you actually think Liljegren + Nylander is a fair ask for UFA JT Miller?

I didn't post that you quoted someone else. Read who you quote before having a tantrum.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

This sounds like another rebuild for Vancouver.

At this point, it should be. Benning did so much damage we, realistically, can't be any more than a bubble playoff team if everything goes perfectly. Trading Miller and even Horvat lets us quickly rebuild the team as not only will both garner massive returns but we'll sink the standings for a year or two, thus adding to our core through the draft.

As for Miller himself. If we are committed to a two year rebuild, I'd be open to eating Mrazek's contract or other team's bad deals in order to maximize value. Our target from the Leafs wouldn't be Nylander though, it'd be Liljegren/Sandin++ especially if we're taking back someone like Mrazek.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

I didn't post that you quoted someone else. Read who you quote before having a tantrum.

Laughing at a horrible offer is throwing a tantrum? lol alllllright bud whatever you say

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Laughing at a horrible offer is throwing a tantrum? lol alllllright bud whatever you say

Unable to admit when your wrong is a sign of arrogance and insecurity. May want to work on that.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Unable to admit when your wrong is a sign of arrogance and insecurity. May want to work on that.

How exactly am I wrong? which part?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Hahahaha thats a good one. man you should try stand up I think you would do well

Ok, feel free to counter offer.
I don’t think we make good trading partners as the Canucks would want a young defenceman and/or a blue chip prospect/high draft pick. I suppose a combo of Liljegren + 2023 1st + good prospect like Knies might work.

If that’s too rich for you then that’s fine. It’s not like there’s going to be a shortage of teams interested in a 99 point, all situations forward at $2.6 mill (50% retained).

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

How exactly am I wrong? which part?

The part where you quoted the wrong person stating Nylander and Liljegren would be the cost for Miller and passing it off as me saying it. I wouldnt trade Nylander alone for 1 year of Miller.

Ok, feel free to counter offer.
I don’t think we make good trading partners as the Canucks would want a young defenceman and/or a blue chip prospect/high draft pick. I suppose a combo of Liljegren + 2023 1st + good prospect like Knies might work.

If that’s too rich for you then that’s fine. It’s not like there’s going to be a shortage of teams interested in a 99 point, all situations forward at $2.6 mill (50% retained).

There is a shortage of teams but not due to interest. A team needs to have the cap for the extension, the pieces the Canucks need and fit the competitive timeline to take on a 29 year old star player for 7 more years.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Ok, feel free to counter offer.
I don’t think we make good trading partners as the Canucks would want a young defenceman and/or a blue chip prospect/high draft pick. I suppose a combo of Liljegren + 2023 1st + good prospect like Knies might work.

If that’s too rich for you then that’s fine. It’s not like there’s going to be a shortage of teams interested in a 99 point, all situations forward at $2.6 mill (50% retained).

I wouldnt move 2 years of 1sts along with Liljegren who they have been developing for 5 years for another C. Leafs could use Miller dont get me wrong but he's not really needed. Id gladly take him but we have Tavares
ask is too rich imo for a player who likely wont re-sign and will be gone at the end of the year.

I think you guys can do very well moving Miller but not the right move for Toronto imo

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Ok, feel free to counter offer.
I don’t think we make good trading partners as the Canucks would want a young defenceman and/or a blue chip prospect/high draft pick. I suppose a combo of Liljegren + 2023 1st + good prospect like Knies might work.

If that’s too rich for you then that’s fine. It’s not like there’s going to be a shortage of teams interested in a 99 point, all situations forward at $2.6 mill (50% retained).

Best the Leafs could do is
Niemela- high end Rd prospect
Steeves solid offense and defensive game
2022 1st
2024 2nd

 

[Arthur Morgan]

The part where you quoted the wrong person stating Nylander and Liljegren would be the cost for Miller and passing it off as me saying it. I wouldnt trade Nylander alone for 1 year of Miller.


There is a shortage of teams but not due to interest. A team needs to have the cap for the extension, the pieces the Canucks need and fit the competitive timeline to take on a 29 year old star player for 7 more years.

I never said I wouldnt trade Nylander alone I wouldnt trade Liljegren + Nylander for him..... Thats crazy overpayment for 1 year of JT Miller.

That's the part your talking about me being wrong.... because I said the wrong trade? alright sorry I was wrong.

your offer is pretty terrible as well. too much for Toronto to move out. Dont think Miller is the right player to go after if they are moving 2 years of 1sts along with Niemela who looks very promising.

I have seen alot of 1sts that was expected to be either middle of the pack or a late become a top 3 pick or a lottery pick that landed a very nice player.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I never said I wouldnt trade Nylander alone I wouldnt trade Liljegren + Nylander for him..... Thats crazy overpayment for 1 year of JT Miller.

That's the part your talking about me being wrong.... because I said the wrong trade? alright sorry I was wrong.

your offer is pretty terrible as well. too much for Toronto to move out. Dont think Miller is the right player to go after if they are moving 2 years of 1sts along with Niemela who looks very promising.

I have seen alot of 1sts that was expected to be either middle of the pack or a late become a top 3 pick or a lottery pick that landed a very nice player.

Sure our 2023 pick could be in the lottery but we would have to be devastated with injuries and thats why you add pick protection. I think Niemela ends up as a toews on the avalanche but it takes him 5 years to get there. Keep in mind Miller is a 99 point player as well and whatever we send is gonna hurt. Its fair you don't like the fit, I disagree but fair enough. I also apologize for being rude to you, it shouldn't have happend and I was out of line.

 

[MikeK]

Good. As a Canuck fan I hope they do trade him. Miller is on the wrong side of age. He'll be 30yrs old before his extension even kicks in. The type of money and term he's going to want makes him a prime candidate for a terrible deal for the team. They'll be lucky to get 3 good years out of him before he falls off a cliff.

Considering what his current cap hit is, and what his value would be on the trade market, the team should absolutely be moving him.