Post-Game Talk: Mild

[Machinehead]

Also food for thought: Pitlick-Bonino-Vesey posted a 60% xGF the other night despite every other line getting taken behind the woodshed.

I think it's Goodrow, mostly. He wasn't an NHL player last year and he got even slower. They're playing 4v5.

This is Goodrow's 10th season. He's already well past how long players of his profile usually last.

 

[chosen]

Miller got shitty results his first year while very obviously showing flashes of talent and then he got excellent results his second year. It's a very different case.

I disagree.

I think Miller took the huge step forward in his 3rd season, not his second.

 

[Machinehead]

I disagree.

I think Miller took the huge step forward in his 3rd season, not his second.

He did, in terms of scoring points.

Before that, Miller-Trouba was one of the most effective pairs in the league in the second half of 21-22. It's arguably the reason we got as far as we did that year.

 

[mrmovies779]

You know who would have looked decent on our 4th line and brought speed?Gauthier

 

[KevinFinnerty]

whoever said they don't like Trochek I completely agree. yes he's good on face offs. he's also good at getting dangled by green players in this league in OT, and not coming through in the clutch whether that's late in the game on a PP, PK, or shootouts. the guy just has no IQ at all a very dumb player who is good on faecoffs. I don't like him at all on this team even though he had a decent year last year in Gallant's system.

 

[mrmovies779]

whoever said they don't like Trochek I completely agree. yes he's good on face offs. he's also good at getting dangled by green players in this league in OT, and not coming through in the clutch whether that's late in the game on a PP, PK, or shootouts. the guy just has no IQ at all a very dumb player who is good on faecoffs. I don't like him at all on this team even though he had a decent year last year in Gallant's system.

60+ points,dumb player...lol

 

[will1066]

You know who would have looked decent on our 4th line and brought speed?Gauthier

I think Drury and Laviolette before the season got together and planned for a 4th line with some sandpaper and defensive awareness as the prime ingredients. They didn't plan for this line to be this slow, and now they have a developing problem.

 

[TGWL]

You know who would have looked decent on our 4th line and brought speed?Gauthier

He looks amazing on Islanders 4th line...

 

[mrmovies779]

I think Drury and Laviolette before the season got together and planned for a 4th line with some sandpaper and defensive awareness as the prime ingredients. They didn't plan for this line to be this slow, and now they have a developing problem.

I'll have whatever drugs they are smoking if they didn't see how slow this line would look on paper

 

[will1066]

I'll have whatever drugs they are smoking if they didn't see how slow this line would look on paper

It looks like Goodrow might be the culprit for a lot of the woes. Machinehead noted that with Pitlick, the line had 60 xGF.

Goodrow is categorically the same as Wheeler at this point. Luxurious senior living at MSG. Maybe they'll rent out the studio for their holiday party.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

60+ points,dumb player...lol

I don't care about the totals. he's dumb and gets dangled by green players in the league. VAN game would've been over if not for Shesty

 

[will1066]

@SnowblindNYR brings up a salient point which is that everyone's third pair sucks.

Here's another problem -- our second pair sucks.

Does it actually suck or does it spend too much time on the ice with our forward corps which definitely sucks?

Let me bring up a salient point as well in that if we had won, the thread title would have been Tamed or Domesticated.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't care about the totals. he's dumb and gets dangled by green players in the league. VAN game would've been over if not for Shesty

Dude, you took one play and pretend like this happens every other game.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

You know who would have looked decent on our 4th line and brought speed?Gauthier

Perfect 4th liner

 

[Boris Zubov]

Perfect 4th liner

He deserved a shot to move up last year. Unfortunately he got hurt when he was really playing well & it set him back. I'd absolutely take him over Wheeler right now.

 

[yrrebbor]

Rangers should write a book on how to give up and lose a big lead. Passive teams go nowhere. Can't wait for the feel sorry no Fox excuses. Brodzinski and Jones are awful

But, no quit in NY

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

He deserved a shot to move up last year. Unfortunately he got hurt when he was really playing well & it set him back. I'd absolutely take him over Wheeler right now.

Oh absolutely. He was scoring at a high rate last year too. If I recall correctly he had more 5v5 goals than Zib into January despite playing like 8 minutes a game next to Goodrow/Blais and constant healthy scratches

 

[will1066]

Oh absolutely. He was scoring at a high rate last year too. If I recall correctly he had more 5v5 goals than Zib into January despite playing like 8 minutes a game next to Goodrow/Blais and constant healthy scratches

He would take the puck to the net with speed, which is a commodity but for the Rangers a luxury.

 

[Boris Zubov]

He would take the puck to the net with speed, which is a commodity but for the Rangers a luxury.

And he was drawing at least a penalty a game in the process.

 

[Machinehead]

Let me bring up a salient point as well in that if we had won, the thread title would have been Tamed or Domesticated.

Nah it would have been the same. Did you see the analytics in that game?

 

[will1066]

Nah it would have been the same. Did you see the analytics in that game?

Puckluck would've demanded you to change it.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

And he was drawing at least a penalty a game in the process.

Yep
-Creates a breakaway for himself every game
-was actually scoring them
-draws an insane amount of penalties on a team that lives and dies by power play goals and cannot score in any other fashion
-can transition the puck from our zone into the other teams end, which the current iteration of the 4th line cannot do (with Goodrow)
-hit more than anyone else on the team other than Blais, if you’re into that kinda sh*t

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Dude, you took one play and pretend like this happens every other game.

ok maybe that's true, and it might be an overreaction but I can't stand the player sorry.

 

[TominNC]

But, no quit in NY

Plenty of quit in NY fans

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Yep
-Creates a breakaway for himself every game
-was actually scoring them
-draws an insane amount of penalties on a team that lives and dies by power play goals and cannot score in any other fashion
-can transition the puck from our zone into the other teams end, which the current iteration of the 4th line cannot do (with Goodrow)
-hit more than anyone else on the team other than Blais, if you’re into that kinda sh*t

If Gauthier was doing what people complained about him not doing which was finishing on those chances he'd be first liner. It was absurd the complaints his play got.