I think its like 95% Lucic is done in Boston. The team is playing too well to carry a non-hockey related negative story throughout the season. The only way I see this going another direction is if the wife strongly advocates from him AND he publicly addresses this in exactly the right way with major commitments to seek help. Even still, with the team playing so well (without him, I might add), it is really hard to carry a non-hockey storyline.
Player Discussion Milan Lucic (arrested Nov 18)
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I really don’t care how the team is doing to be honest and that’s not a factor for me.
It’s an honor and privilege to play for the Bruins and wear the jersey.
I’ve lost all respect, and in my eyes, he’s lost that privilege.
This is incredibly sad and depressing.
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look all we know is that Lucic has multiple public instances where he has been violent, or near-violent and all of them have apparently involved alcohol. It's not like it's some stretch to guess that he's got a drinking problem. alcoholism isn't just about being addicted to alcohol, it's also about allowing alcohol to be a catalyst for bad behavior. Even if Looch only drinks occasionally, but can't control himself when under the influence then that's a problem.
anyway we don't know all the facts, but it's common sense to say that the guy who just got arrested for attacking his wife while drunk should probably quit drinking altogether if he wants any chance at repairing his relationships with his loved ones.
As for the comments about Monty, I may have been generous in my interpretation of what people were saying here, but I didn't take any of the Monty mentions as people saying the situations are the same. Just that Monty has been through an experience where he let his demons hurt himself & people around him and managed to get right and redeem himself.
IF Lucic avoids jail time and IF his family is willing to give him another chance, then that almost certainly involves ditching alcohol, making amends, etc. and in that case having a guy like Monty to lean on would be a blessing. I don't think making that observation implies that the situations are exactly the same or that it's a foregone conclusion that Lucic can be redeemed like Monty. Certainly there are certain lines that if crossed would change the equation entirely.
anyway we don't know all the facts, but it's common sense to say that the guy who just got arrested for attacking his wife while drunk should probably quit drinking altogether if he wants any chance at repairing his relationships with his loved ones.
As for the comments about Monty, I may have been generous in my interpretation of what people were saying here, but I didn't take any of the Monty mentions as people saying the situations are the same. Just that Monty has been through an experience where he let his demons hurt himself & people around him and managed to get right and redeem himself.
IF Lucic avoids jail time and IF his family is willing to give him another chance, then that almost certainly involves ditching alcohol, making amends, etc. and in that case having a guy like Monty to lean on would be a blessing. I don't think making that observation implies that the situations are exactly the same or that it's a foregone conclusion that Lucic can be redeemed like Monty. Certainly there are certain lines that if crossed would change the equation entirely.
IF alcohol is an issue for Lucic ( this is the 3rd known incident with him where it wqs a common denominator), it's in the best interest of both his wife and kids that he can get help. Regardless of what we feel now about Lucic, I think we can agree his children and wife deserve a husband and father in their life who is mentally well.
So while I know you mean well, I would be concerned with ensuring he gets the help he needs as well: whether that be for drinking, anger management, grief, etc, there is usually more underlying issues for an abuser besides them just being a bad person.
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Ugh I tried not to take some of this personally, but it's bringing up old wounds.. The NHL "helping its own" certainly did NOT happen when it affected my family personally. So in a way I'm kinda like **** you league for helping out rich players and turning your back on my family because the person was not a player but rather an equipment manager.
IDK probably don't need to make it personal. It's also not like you have an allotted amount of empathy and can only use it for Lucic's family and not him. At least I don't think so.
IDK probably don't need to make it personal. It's also not like you have an allotted amount of empathy and can only use it for Lucic's family and not him. At least I don't think so.
Disappointed. Deeply, deeply disappointed. That's probably the best definition of my feelings re. Lucic and this situation.
No excuse for being abusive. None at all. All I can say is hockey is a game and entertainment and should take no precedence above health, wellbeing, and safety for his family or others possibly impacted. That includes Lucic and I hope that however this works out in the end, whether it's the end of his career or otherwise, that he finds a way to move on from this behaviour or any habits that contribute to this unacceptable behavior.
Such a wasted opportunity for him and it is truly disappointing that he is unable to conduct himself as a father, husband, and man; and in doing so has cast a black mark on his future, his family's wellbeing, and the memories of his time in the black and gold.
No excuse for being abusive. None at all. All I can say is hockey is a game and entertainment and should take no precedence above health, wellbeing, and safety for his family or others possibly impacted. That includes Lucic and I hope that however this works out in the end, whether it's the end of his career or otherwise, that he finds a way to move on from this behaviour or any habits that contribute to this unacceptable behavior.
Such a wasted opportunity for him and it is truly disappointing that he is unable to conduct himself as a father, husband, and man; and in doing so has cast a black mark on his future, his family's wellbeing, and the memories of his time in the black and gold.
I think I'll wait until he's found guilty/innocent before I pass judgement.
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It hurts me to say this, but no. I do not mean well.
Alcoholism in this case is a theory. And even if it wasn't, my thoughts and concerns are for the victims. Not the abuser.
And I stress again - it is without joy that I say that. Go back and read my posts celebrating Lucic's return to Boston. I was as loud as anyone.
Sorry but my thoughts and prayers and well-wishes do not lie with Milan Lucic. And I think the equivalences being made between Lucic and Jim Montgomery are despicable.
If you want to say "I hope his family never has to experience anything like this ever again" I'm with ya. But that's as far as I take that line of thought.
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Been reading the threads mostly, some great comments/advice. My 2 cents:
I sincerely hope his wife and kids are ok first and foremost ...second I hope this low of lows for Lucic doesn't lead to suicidal thoughts/actions. The very public and private shame of his actions and the potential to lose his family shouldn't be trifled with from a self harm mental stand point. I sincerely hope he is not left alone/isolated at any point in the near future until he has the proper coping/support mechanisms in place.
I sincerely hope his wife and kids are ok first and foremost ...second I hope this low of lows for Lucic doesn't lead to suicidal thoughts/actions. The very public and private shame of his actions and the potential to lose his family shouldn't be trifled with from a self harm mental stand point. I sincerely hope he is not left alone/isolated at any point in the near future until he has the proper coping/support mechanisms in place.
Especially with what is known about CTE at this point. Someday there will be hindsight with this case but in the moment it is rather delicate.
Difficult to deal in absolutes with one side of the context. Lucic may be a victim in his own right, in no way absolving his ownership of his behavior.
Between an already packed docket and it being high profile this doesn't surprise me
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Hope his family gets all the love and support they need during this time and I hope Milan gets the help he needs as well.
It's another reminder that these are just athletes. We can admire them for incredible athletic achievement and visible good deeds in the community, but beyond that we really don't know much about them.
That said, I think the NHL has been doing a much better job requiring good citizenship and character, and the team specifically has taken action here in putting Lucic on leave.
Sure but support does not equal a roster spot. For me he needs to focus on life. Hockey is not what he needs. The team doesn’t need his distraction either.
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I know you and I will never see to eye to eye on this.
I disagree with every single word of this post. I think it's very easy to deal in absolutes with what we know. I do NOT consider Lucic to be the victim here and nor should or could I. And suggesting so does imply an effort to absolve him of this behaviour.
I don't want to get into an argument about it. You see it your way. Frankly, I find that perspective repulsive.
And I'm sorry to say that. I'd much rather us be discussing the roster and the Bruins record and the Centennial celebrations where I'm happy to disagree... and know that when Pasta scores another ridiculous goal, in that moment you're feeling the same thing in your heart that I'm feeling in mine.
I f***ing hate this.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes it is. You can have multiple branching paths from the addiction, violence and "bad behavior" being two of them. Every behavior and consequence is downstream from the root fact of addiction.
KrejciMVP
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The Bruins have gone above and beyond for Luc all off season. more chances just seems like enabling this behavior
I agree Monty and Lucic situations are night and day and don't agree with those drawing comparisons.
That said I believe you can hope the a guy gets the help he needs mentally while still not condoning his actions and not being a fan of his any longer.
This situation hits close to me as it is eerily similar to one of ex-friends who passed away recently. He never got the help and support he needed after his abusive actions(which were indefensible), and instead of his kids having a healthy father in their lives he is gone.
This is why I hope he can get help and turn his life around, for the sake of his family first and foremost. A return to the NHL should be out of the question regardless.
I won't try to change your feelings on this, but thought I should further share where I'm coming from.
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Yah it feels logical to draw many conclusions about expectations, behavior, etc. I doubt this is the place to explicitly do that, though.
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