Therick67
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You can hold someone accountable for what they've done and also understand they may have issues
that contributed to why it happened.
Player Discussion Milan Lucic (arrested Nov 18)
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You can hold someone accountable for what they've done and also understand they may have issues
that contributed to why it happened.
The multiple local outlets that are reporting this are saying they have copies of the police report. So assuming they aren't lying about having the police report, and this would be an insane thing for them to lie about, the information is accurate.
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For all of their inevitable excess, social movements like Black Lives Matter/post George Floyd and #MeToo represent positive developments in American society.
Sometimes it's hard to see and change of this sort is glacial, but we're learning.
That’s probably pretty likely. I’d say 90% of these cases wind up pleading out.
Total speculation on my part, but i really wonder if Lucic is developing CTE symptoms with how many times he’s gotten punched in the head. Wish the best for his family.
I dont agree that pointing out there could be an underlying issue is letting him off the hook. We can condemn his actions but also understand and speak about deeper issues could be at play.
Especially in a month dedicated to men's mental health I think it's important to have that dialogue, otherwise it just adds to the stigma of men talking about our mental health - if people are unwilling to accept these underlying issues being the cause of someones actions and that they can be rehabilitated with help, then people are also going to be hesitant to talk about those issues before they devolve into something worse, such as abuse, out of fear of not being understood or being judged.
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imo there's too much sanctimonious self serving judgement ("oh look at me, I'm taking a stand against domestic violence") and also way too much fan based excuses and the internet just sucks period.
This is a criminal issue and it's up to the police and courts to decide it, using real facts, and until that is done, there isn't any judgement or forgiveness to be given. In the meantime it's a family matter and it's up to that family to decide how they want to proceed.
Likely, Milan should go into rehab and anger management and they should live apart until they want to sit and down and talk or separate. It's their business, not ours.
As for the Bruins, probably easiest to just move on and find another tough guy but if they believe he enters a path of redemption and they want to give him a new chance then I'm sure the solid structure of their culture will be able to handle that as well.
In any case, pain meds and alcohol are always a bad idea.
This is a criminal issue and it's up to the police and courts to decide it, using real facts, and until that is done, there isn't any judgement or forgiveness to be given. In the meantime it's a family matter and it's up to that family to decide how they want to proceed.
Likely, Milan should go into rehab and anger management and they should live apart until they want to sit and down and talk or separate. It's their business, not ours.
As for the Bruins, probably easiest to just move on and find another tough guy but if they believe he enters a path of redemption and they want to give him a new chance then I'm sure the solid structure of their culture will be able to handle that as well.
In any case, pain meds and alcohol are always a bad idea.
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MA is a Commonwealth meaning that the state can still proceed with charges even if the alleged victim declines to or refuses to cooperate.
These are the best write ups I was able to find online
Domestic Assault and Battery | Boston Criminal Lawyer Stephen Neyman
Call 617-263-6800 Call 617-263-6800 - Available 24/7. Law Offices of Stephen Neyman - Boston, Massachusetts Criminal Defense Lawyer. Experienced attorney defending criminal cases throughout Massachusetts, state and federal courts. Boston Criminal Lawyer | Stephen Neyman | Domestic Assault and...
Will a Domestic Assault and Battery Charge be Dismissed if My Wife Does not Wish to Press Charges? | Massachusetts Criminal Lawyer
Massachusetts domestic violence Call (508) 455-4755 - DelSignore Law aggressively represents the accused against charges in Criminal & Crime cases. Will a Domestic Assault and Battery Charge be Dismissed if My Wife Does not Wish to Press Charges? - Massachusetts Criminal Lawyer
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As a quick aside, I just want to salute those that have shared their very difficult and heart wrenching stories about their sobriety and/or trauma.
Everyone is different in regard to what they are willing to or are comfortable sharing, but I hope you all know that decent people don’t judge or think badly of people who’ve literally battled their way through difficult parts of their lives.
To me there is nothing more impressive or inspiring than people who are dealt a bad hand or were saddled with something they have no control over and still get through it and use their experience to help or support others.
Congratulations and continued good fortune to you all!
Everyone is different in regard to what they are willing to or are comfortable sharing, but I hope you all know that decent people don’t judge or think badly of people who’ve literally battled their way through difficult parts of their lives.
To me there is nothing more impressive or inspiring than people who are dealt a bad hand or were saddled with something they have no control over and still get through it and use their experience to help or support others.
Congratulations and continued good fortune to you all!
Police report gives details on Milan Lucic arrest
A police report provided the details of Milan Lucic's weekend arrest.
www.masslive.com
Just fyi, Im really really close to tossing some out of this thread.
Baiting, contrary just to stir pot, personal shots, and things having zero to do with this specific topic.
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OldScool
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Sad situation for his wife and kids. Lucic went from one of my all time favorites to a scumbag instantly. Stinks. On a side note - maybe scaling back the alcohol and hockey culture should be an undertone in this story. No other sports promotes alcohol consumption as much as hockey does.
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I just want this to go away...difficult to read.Police report gives details on Milan Lucic arrest
A police report provided the details of Milan Lucic's weekend arrest.
Just fyi, Im really really close to tossing some out of this thread.
Baiting, contrary just to stir pot, personal shots, and things having zero to do with this specific topic.
hmmmm thinking NFL is the worst at promoting alcohol consumption.
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I think hockey culture is worse.....men play in a "Beer leagues".....drinking out of the Stanley cup and we idolize players going on monthly benders after winning the cup. Nevermind, junior hockey and college hockey and that drinking lifestyle. Alcohol is an issue in hockey. Just look behind the Bruins bench.
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I remember he came up end of 72 and they were busting him good naturedly because he read on plane
This is a situation I am very hesitant to even post in. I will not speculate in any way on what transpired. I will simply say all involved are dealing with a dark time in there lives and wish all better days in the future. Every cloud has a silver lining. As Bruin fans all we can or should do is hope for better times for all involved
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How many teams have sponsorships with beer or alcohol companies? I'm pretty sure the league does, too. 2022-23 sponsor list, couldn't find the 2023-24 list;
NHL 2022/23 commercial guide: Every team, every sponsor, all the major TV deals
Answer: 23/32 teams
Similar to the whole Sports Betting thing, getting sponsored or hocking ads at everyone including using the most synonymous player with the sport, all in favor for sports bettings, then "such a shame, he got stuck in a bad habit, if only there was something we could do?!?"
Socially everyone likes the happy, fun drunks. Shuns and ignores the negative side until it shows it's ugly head. There's positive connotations to the fun side, and promoted to many at a young age. Just in this thread, there's a lot of peoples own personal accounts of how it's affected them negatively, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones.
Should we be banning everything because of the negative? I don't think so, but part of the problem isn't part of the solution.
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Alcohol is an issue in life.
I hate being buzzed or hungover
I probably was more then 50 % till 25 and since then about as often as a Danton Heinen fight
Knowing a hangover awaits makes it awfully easy to switch to water
To bad others don’t feel same
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How many players are in the NHL? How many of them have legitimate issues with alcohol? How many have been arrested for domestic violence?
The league isn’t the issue. The culture isn’t the issue. It’s a personal issue. If it does turn out to be alcoholism, it’s a disease.
The league isn’t the issue. The culture isn’t the issue. It’s a personal issue. If it does turn out to be alcoholism, it’s a disease.
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What is that supposed to mean?
There are alcohol sponsorships throughout all professional sports. The number of athletes that (publicly) struggle with alcohol abuse and/or domestic violence is negligible. Sometimes it really is mostly on the individual, not their environment/surroundings.
The fact that people are starting to shift gears and look to alcohol culture in the NHL as a potential root cause here is wild to me.
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