TSN: Mikheyev

[Nineteen67]

What a shitshow!

Rather keep Miky than that hobbit Kerfoot.

Why not get rid of both

 

[Sypher04]

Mikheyev was a fine player, but that's it. He had a good season and followed it up with a better than previous, but still very mediocre playoff performance (like our entire bottom 6 minus Kampf).

We will miss him mostly as a penalty killer, but no way is he worth what he'll be asking for. At least not today. Maybe he continues to grow into it, and if so, good for him.

 

[leafsfan5]

i guess this is Dubies way of telling the fans Mik won't work for the peanuts we can offer .

Even if we had 50 million in cap space I wouldn't sign him

He has 0 goals on a goalie in his last 19 playoff games, he's not particularly physical either. Cut bait and let someone overpay him, they will regret it

 

[rojac]

Was referring to Dubas’ craftiness in not taking a pick from Edmonton

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but wouldn't the Hyman deal have required a great deaL of trust in Holland?

My understanding is that the deal wasn't simply Edmonton trading a pick to Toronto for Hyman's negotiating rights. If that had been the deal, then yes, Dubas should have just taken the 6th rounder and run. Instead, from I've read, the deal was for Toronto to sign Hyman to a 8 year $5M deal and then trade him to Edmonto for a draft pick.

So, the contract needs to be done before the trade can take place. And I'm pretty sure that Edmonton could still decide to back out of the deal, leaving Toronto with Hyman at $5M for 8 years jand having to find a way to move him since they couldn't afford to keep him at that price.. As a result, Dubas asked for a higher pick to take the risk.

Ot at least that's my take on the situation. And again, I could be wrong.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but wouldn't the Hyman deal have required a great deaL of trust in Holland?

My understanding is that the deal wasn't simply Edmonton trading a pick to Toronto for Hyman's negotiating rights. If that had been the deal, then yes, Dubas should have just taken the 6th rounder and run. Instead, from I've read, the deal was for Toronto to sign Hyman to a 8 year $5M deal and then trade him to Edmonto for a draft pick.

So, the contract needs to be done before the trade can take place. And I'm pretty sure that Edmonton could still decide to back out of the deal, leaving Toronto with Hyman at $5M for 8 years jand having to find a way to move him since they couldn't afford to keep him at that price.. As a result, Dubas asked for a higher pick to take the risk.

Ot at least that's my take on the situation. And again, I could be wrong.

Not only do you have to trust Holland, it's a contract with a full NMC for Hyman the second it's signed as well as a signing bonus owed to him immediately.

 

[BackPassChampions]

Here's my "concerned Mikheyev is leaving" face.

Time to move on from the guy who requested a trade, had a concerning wrist injury and is all flash but lacks a real mean attitude. We have enough all flash guys on this team already.

 

[Apotheosis]

Honestly don't mind this. If we can get rid of Kerfoot and Holl's salary as well and fill the middle 6 with Marlies as well, I would be content. Liljegren is primed for a top 4 spot as a starter and Holl shouldn't sniff that area anymore if this is to be a serious team. I think Abruzzeze and other Marlies who have high compete levels are more than serviceable for third and fourth line duties and I would like to see Robertson and or Knies tried out first in a top 6 role.

 

[dumbdick]

I like Mikheyev and really want the sens to target him in the offseason. If we actually had a good record of signing UFAs, I'd happily offer a late pick for the rights. But I have zero faith in our GM to actually get a deal inked.

I'd happily offer a conditional 7th round pick that converts to a 3rd if he signs with us (or did the league stop allowing those kinds of conditions?).

 

[capfit9]

What? What are you going on about. BTW are you going to change your name.

going about you being a Dubas kiss a**

 

[ACC1224]

Maybe I'm wrong about this, but wouldn't the Hyman deal have required a great deaL of trust in Holland?

My understanding is that the deal wasn't simply Edmonton trading a pick to Toronto for Hyman's negotiating rights. If that had been the deal, then yes, Dubas should have just taken the 6th rounder and run. Instead, from I've read, the deal was for Toronto to sign Hyman to a 8 year $5M deal and then trade him to Edmonto for a draft pick.

So, the contract needs to be done before the trade can take place. And I'm pretty sure that Edmonton could still decide to back out of the deal, leaving Toronto with Hyman at $5M for 8 years jand having to find a way to move him since they couldn't afford to keep him at that price.. As a result, Dubas asked for a higher pick to take the risk.

Ot at least that's my take on the situation. And again, I could be wrong.

Not sure. Has this scenario ever happened before ? Hard to see GM going back on his word.

 

[mikeyz]

I don't know if your being sarcastic but Dubas was the GM who signed Tavares not Lou, but I do think regardless of GM he was coming home...you don't say no to talent like that coming for free, even if in retrospect now, it hasn't panned out.

I am pretty sure he’s being sarcastic. Lol.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Not sure. Has this scenario ever happened before ? Hard to see GM going back on his word.

I think this story of a sign and trade is just bunk to cover up the fact that he was offered a 6th and wanted a higher pick and didn't get it. Why would this scenario happen? Think about it logically....it doesn't make any sense. You can just send the rights to Edmonton and they can do what they want. Why would they want you to sign him and then trade him. It's just hocus pocus to cover up the fact we got nothing for him because Dubas wanted to front being a tough negotiator all of a sudden.

 

[rocketman588]

I don't think we tried to trade Hyman's rights. There was an offer for a sign and trade but Edmonton refused to pay for that.

A sign and trade and trading for rights are basically the same thing.

The only difference in this case is that we refused to take a pick to arguably let the oilers give Zach a better contract. I'd rather pay 500k more a year then have him for the 8th year of that deal

This will virtually be the same thing the team trading for rights will have spoken to his agent and seen ball parks before they puck him up. If not there some won't be any offers for him.

Hyman and the oilers were basically willing to pay a little to do a minor favor and Dubas decided somehow that this was worth a high pick

Who would trade for his rights?

If you know the number he wants why not it'll save you from bidding and one team going insane with the offer we will probably get a 6/7 for it if we're lucky

 

[Mess]

I think this story of a sign and trade is just bunk to cover up the fact that he was offered a 6th and wanted a higher pick and didn't get it. Why would this scenario happen? Think about it logically....it doesn't make any sense. You can just send the rights to Edmonton and they can do what they want. Why would they want you to sign him and then trade him. It's just hocus pocus to cover up the fact we got nothing for him because Dubas wanted to front being a tough negotiator all of a sudden.

Leafs were the only team that could sign Hyman to 8 years, and Edmonton could only offer max 7 in a trade.

The key to the sign and trade was that with the 8th year the AAV would come down for Edmonton, which was their desire,

Dubas thought the 8th year and lower AAV to Edmonton was worth more than a 6th and wanted a higher draft pick IIRC a 2nd was the ask.

A sign and traded happens and is a legal move, however it was the compensation that both sides could not agree on, so Leafs got no pick for Hyman rights and Edmonton got to sign Zach to only 7 years as UFA.

 

[rocketman588]

Honestly don't mind this. If we can get rid of Kerfoot and Holl's salary as well and fill the middle 6 with Marlies as well, I would be content. Liljegren is primed for a top 4 spot as a starter and Holl shouldn't sniff that area anymore if this is to be a serious team. I think Abruzzeze and other Marlies who have high compete levels are more than serviceable for third and fourth line duties and I would like to see Robertson and or Knies tried out first in a top 6 role.

Knies isn't signing until after the NCAA season

Filling out the middle 6 of our roster with players from our ahl team that missed the playoffs is definitely the key to success

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Leafs were the only team that could sign Hyman to 8 years, and Edmonton could only offer max 7 in a trade.

The key to the sign and trade was that with the 8th year the AAV would come down for Edmonton, which was their desire,

Dubas thought the 8th year and lower AAV to Edmonton was worth more than a 6th and wanted a higher draft pick IIRC a 2nd was the ask.

A sign and traded happens and is a legal move, however it was the compensation that both sides could not agree on, so Leafs got no pick for Hyman rights and Edmonton got to sign Zach to only 7 years as UFA.

I get that part...but if the Leafs traded him to Edmonton before he becomes a UFA...then he is an Oiler and can now sign for 8yrs. The 8yrs thing is not just for an original team....its for anyone under contract with that team when he becomes a UFA.

 

[rocketman588]

I think this story of a sign and trade is just bunk to cover up the fact that he was offered a 6th and wanted a higher pick and didn't get it. Why would this scenario happen? Think about it logically....it doesn't make any sense. You can just send the rights to Edmonton and they can do what they want. Why would they want you to sign him and then trade him. It's just hocus pocus to cover up the fact we got nothing for him because Dubas wanted to front being a tough negotiator all of a sudden.

They would have gotten the extra year basically for 500k less aav. There was no way they were going to agree to it and then back out however considering they played him on the first or second line lol

The argument from Dubas was that 500k was worth a 2/3. If we buy out mrazek we should remember that argument when we're sitting on 1.4 mil of dead cap

I get that part...but if the Leafs traded him to Edmonton before he becomes a UFA...then he is an Oiler and can now sign for 8yrs. The 8yrs thing is not just for an original team....its for anyone under contract with that team when he becomes a UFA.

That's how it was explained at the time maybe it was a massive gaslight. It makes more sense in the NBA as trading in some cases somehow allows you to go over the cap

 

[Mess]

I get that part...but if the Leafs traded him to Edmonton before he becomes a UFA...then he is an Oiler and can now sign for 8yrs. The 8yrs thing is not just for an original team....its for anyone under contract with that team when he becomes a UFA.

The official cut off day is actually trade deadline day, and only the team that owns his rights after that time and can sign him to 8 year term is his is original team.

That is why Toronto had to be the signing team and then trading him to Edmonton thereafter, the only way the 8th year was a possibility.

 

[hockeywiz542]

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It appears the Leafs are moving on from [unrestricted free agent] Ilya Mikheyev as they have informed teams they are willing to trade his rights, correct?

Johnston: That's right. What's interesting here is obviously before sending out that note, there was nothing worked out with any teams when it comes to Ilya Mikheyev, but the fact it has gone out is indicative of the interest that I believe will be here for this player. There are some that believe that as many as half the teams in the league will show some interest in him as a free agent. It's not to say the Leafs will necessarily be able to make a trade for his rights because I think Mikheyev himself is curious to see what's out there for him on the open market. This is going to be someone of high interest as we get closer to July 13th. He's looking for a contract somewhere in the $4-million range or even above.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

They would have gotten the extra year basically for 500k less aav. There was no way they were going to agree to it and then back out however considering they played him on the first or second line lol

The argument from Dubas was that 500k was worth a 2/3. If we buy out mrazek we should remember that argument when we're sitting on 1.4 mil of dead cap


That's how it was explained at the time maybe it was a massive gaslight. It makes more sense in the NBA as trading in some cases somehow allows you to go over the cap

I understand WHY Dubas wanted the higher pick...but it wasn't because he had to take the risk of signing Hyman and then trading him. It was simply for the Cap savings he was offering them with the 8th year. Which BTW like you mentioned is going to be troublesome for him when he is trying to dump Mrazek on someone for sure. If he thought a 2/3rd pick was the value of $500k over 7yrs...what is he going to do about Mrazek and is $7.6M owed for 2yrs?

 

[On-the-Fly]

Lol 4 mil ?

Adieu, stones.

 

[CelticDruid]

Why not get rid of both

I don't trust Dubas at all.

It's like a slow death spiral that will eventually implode.

Too many assets walking for free.

 

[Nineteen67]

A sign and trade and trading for rights are basically the same thing.

The only difference in this case is that we refused to take a pick to arguably let the oilers give Zach a better contract. I'd rather pay 500k more a year then have him for the 8th year of that deal

This will virtually be the same thing the team trading for rights will have spoken to his agent and seen ball parks before they puck him up. If not there some won't be any offers for him.

Hyman and the oilers were basically willing to pay a little to do a minor favor and Dubas decided somehow that this was worth a high pick



If you know the number he wants why not it'll save you from bidding and one team going insane with the offer we will probably get a 6/7 for it if we're lucky

But he’s just a guy. He’s not signing an 8 yr deal, so he’s not worth an asset unless someone can somehow fool Dubas.

 

[Mess]

Insider Trading: Habs remain undecided on No. 1 pick - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insiders Chris Johnson, Pierre LeBrun and Darren Dreger joing host Kate Beirness to discuss some major topics of interest as the NHL Entry Draft and start of the free agency period are just around the corner.

www.tsn.ca

It appears the Leafs are moving on from [unrestricted free agent] Ilya Mikheyev as they have informed teams they are willing to trade his rights, correct?

Johnston: That's right. What's interesting here is obviously before sending out that note, there was nothing worked out with any teams when it comes to Ilya Mikheyev, but the fact it has gone out is indicative of the interest that I believe will be here for this player. There are some that believe that as many as half the teams in the league will show some interest in him as a free agent. It's not to say the Leafs will necessarily be able to make a trade for his rights because I think Mikheyev himself is curious to see what's out there for him on the open market. This is going to be someone of high interest as we get closer to July 13th. He's looking for a contract somewhere in the $4-million range or even above.

I agree numerous teams are going to have interest in Mikheyev because of his elite speed, and that just creates endless chances for himself and endless headaches for the opposition.

Now that he was willing to shot more, his 21 goals in just 53 games is going to make him a player of interest, because he also plays both specialty teams has he scored 4 PP goals and 4 SH goals last year.

If he ends up in a top 6 role on a team he could reach 30 goals in a full season.

 

[Buds17]

But he’s just a guy. He’s not signing an 8 yr deal, so he’s not worth an asset unless someone can somehow fool Dubas.

Trading for a player's negotiating rights provides a team with exclusive access to signing that player prior to him reaching UFA and being able to talk with any other interested teams. I also feel that most of the teams which trade for a player's rights do end up reaching an agreement with said player more often than not.