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Player Discussion: Mikhail Sergachev - Part 2

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LTIR Trickery said:
Sorry but don't try to frame this as him not being worthy of that kind of money or paying for potential. View attachment 610454
These are his salary/position/points comps for this season alone, and you can do last year and see similar. We didn't "pay now for his potential", hes f***ing good right now. He plays big minutes right now. He puts up points right now.

But also he turns the puck over once in a while...
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At the time his new contract was given it was paying for potential - an 8.5 mil over 8 years gamble. Cause his play up to last season and even the first 4-5 games this season didn't come close to warranting that big a pay increase. It's now working out great with Serge and he's playing at a level he'd not previously reached, but there's maximum risk awarding contracts like that. I'm glad they were right in Serge's case, we'll see if Cirelli elevates his game to his new contract.

I didn't mind Nick Paul's 7 year extension, because he played great BEFORE we signed him to that long of a deal. Same with Cernak.
 
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OffBy1 said:
At the time his new contract was given it was paying for potential - an 8.5 mil over 8 years gamble. Cause his play up to last season and even the first 4-5 games this season didn't come close to warranting that big a pay increase. It's now working out great with Serge and he's playing at a level he'd not previously reached, but there's maximum risk awarding contracts like that. I'm glad they were right in Serge's case, we'll see if Cirelli elevates his game to his new contract.

I didn't mind Nick Paul's 7 year extension, because he played great BEFORE we signed him to that long of a deal. Same with Cernak.
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I love how you followed up this point with a comparison to the Paul contract, who somehow got over 3 million for never having more than 16 goals. Hilarious that you're good with a seven year deal for a 27 year old like that but not the top four, 20 plus minute a night under 25 defenseman.
 
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LTIR Trickery said:
I love how you followed up this point with a comparison to the Paul contract, who somehow got over 3 million for never having more than 16 goals. Hilarious that you're good with a seven year deal for a 27 year old like that but not the top four, 20 plus minute a night under 25 defenseman.
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You should love it, because it's an obvious example of a safer bet.

Paul was immediately impactful, Engblom raved about Paul's play every other night pointing out great plays he was making. He had 14 points in 21 regular season games, a scoring pace that would exceed every one of Killorn's regular seasons except last year's, while getting :50 seconds a game of PP time to Killorn's 2:30. And then he had 9 points in the playoffs, an even +/- with two game winning goals to Killorn's 4 points, -5 and no goals. Paul can play center and has the 2nd best FO% at 52 on the 3rd most attempts. And Killorn still makes 1.3 mil per year more than Paul. He was a bright spot while Hagel disappointed, last year. Giving Paul that contract was laughable, why exactly...? If you're just going to guffaw a little more, then consider that a rhetorical question.

LTIR Trickery said:
But also he turns the puck over once in a while...
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Just two games ago:


Understate much? It's not that he just turns it over once in a while, it's usually deep in our zone. It's the worst part of his game with the puck.

Serge has raised the rest of his game tremendously. Pointing out that Serge hadn't played like an 8.5 per year defensemen before he got the contract does not mean you hate Sergachev. It's just acknowledging reality.
 
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I both love and hate Serg. He can be so dominant and exciting and then turn it over due to the same risky plays that make him so exciting and cost us a game. However I am confident he’ll learn, with that contract he has to…
 
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Galladin said:
I both love and hate Serg. He can be so dominant and exciting and then turn it over due to the same risky plays that make him so exciting and cost us a game.
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Do you also hate Hedman for turning the puck over repeatedly while being the last man at the point in the offensive zone, or only Sergachev gets that treatment ?
 
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Do you also hate Hedman for turning the puck over repeatedly while being the last man at the point in the offensive zone, or only Sergachev gets that treatment ?
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”What about that other player”

Oh absolutely - hate is a strong word so I’ll take that back - Heddy makes me mad with those boneheaded plays as well and those have been very visible this year. However I feel Hedman has been much steadier in our own end for some years now, which leads me to hope that this year is just an exception.

I think time will tell and like I said, I’m confident Sergy is trending the right direction in terms of risk vs. safe.
 
Galladin said:
”What about that other player”

Oh absolutely - hate is a strong word so I’ll take that back - Heddy makes me mad with those boneheaded plays as well and those have been very visible this year. However I feel Hedman has been much steadier in our own end for some years now, which leads me to hope that this year is just an exception.

I think time will tell and like I said, I’m confident Sergy is trending the right direction in terms of risk vs. safe.
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“Whattaboutism” for me, has always been a nexus to the fact that serge got an unequal amount of criticism due to the HF hivemind. I’ve been here a long time, and have seen many whipping boys, and it’s always the same group think mentality that pervades the community with little actual evidence (and a whole lot of overlooking others faults) and it’s exhausting to read.
 
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RussianGuyovich said:
“Whattaboutism” for me, has always been a nexus to the fact that serge got an unequal amount of criticism due to the HF hivemind. I’ve been here a long time, and have seen many whipping boys, and it’s always the same group think mentality that pervades the community with little actual evidence (and a whole lot of overlooking others faults) and it’s exhausting to read.
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You already know what I'm going to say don't you?
 
Galladin said:
”What about that other player”

Oh absolutely - hate is a strong word so I’ll take that back - Heddy makes me mad with those boneheaded plays as well and those have been very visible this year. However I feel Hedman has been much steadier in our own end for some years now, which leads me to hope that this year is just an exception.

I think time will tell and like I said, I’m confident Sergy is trending the right direction in terms of risk vs. safe.
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Trending? In the right direction? He’s a giant mobile PPG D at 24… Risk/reward? The player he was traded for was a noted problem on your franchise at the time of the trade. Trade of the decade imo.
 
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cphabs said:
Trending? In the right direction? He’s a giant mobile PPG D at 24… Risk/reward? The player he was traded for was a noted problem on your franchise at the time of the trade. Trade of the decade imo.
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I guess you must be right, he’s got nothing left to learn and has already reached his full potential then. :)

Edit: Who said anything about Drouin or the trade? Sergachev is already an excellent offensive dman, that is not the question…however perhaps we (read, I) just have to accept that what you see is what you get on the defensive side of things.
 
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Galladin said:
I guess you must be right, he’s got nothing left to learn and has already reached his full potential then. :)

Edit: Who said anything about Drouin or the trade? Sergachev is already an excellent offensive dman, that is not the question…however perhaps we (read, I) just have to accept that what you see is what you get on the defensive side of things.
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I can understand that.
 
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