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Johnny Utah said:
The Kings have no Cap problems? We are against the Cap now.

Pearson, Toffoli, Andreoff, Nolan and Clifford will be RFA's.

Martinez, Stoll, Williams, and RR will be UFA's.

Kopitar will be a UFA in two seasons.
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You should really drop the guys that likely won't get an huge increase (or any increase potentially) so you can toss out of that Andreoff, Nolan, Clifford, Stoll and Regehr.

The real players to focus on are Paerson, Toffoli, Martinez, Williams and Kopitar. And for Kopitar, he's two years away from getting that increase, so there's a potential for a huge increase in the cap by then.Honestly the only one that to me is a big issue is Williams and Martinez, as Pearson and Toffoli will likely get 2-3 years in the $2-$3 million range.

damacles1156 said:
Regardless, Kopitar's new deal won't even kick in till what 2017 ? You could bank on the cap being higher by then. Richards cap hit effects keeping guys like Stoll/Williams (immediate UFA). Not Kopitar, Lombardi will do, what needs to happen to resign Kopitar. It's ridiculous to even discuss it.
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Yep, I missed the fact it's two years until Kopitar's new deal. Thanks for pointing it out. My bad.

Johnny Utah said:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/32541/mike-richards-not-content-to-be-kings-fourth-line-center

"I’m not happy being in that role, even though you’ll do whatever it takes to help the team win," said Richards. "But you feel you can do more to put yourself, prepare yourself, to be in a better situation. It was definitely a learning experience last year, maybe even a little bit of an eye-opener where you might take things for granted, or take having success for granted. We won, which is a good thing, but you feel like you can contribute to the team more and you don’t want to be put in that position again. And to be honest, I deserved to be put in that position last year."
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You use this quote to show he's unhappy in the role of a 4th liner, yet you ignore the last sentence. Even he points fingers at himself for being on the 4th line. That quote does not sound like a guy unhappy with being on the fourth line, it sounds like a guy who is unhappy with himself for putting himself on the fourth line where he could contribute as much as he felt he could.
 
Johnny Utah said:
The Kings have no Cap problems? We are against the Cap now.

Pearson, Toffoli, Andreoff, Nolan and Clifford will be RFA's.

Martinez, Stoll, Williams, and RR will be UFA's.

Kopitar will be a UFA in two seasons.
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We? Who is this 'we' , you don't work for the Kings, pal and they are not 'up against the CAP', according the Capgeek, the team listed at 1 in that area for 2015-16 are the Flyers with 2.6M in capspace and 10 expiring contracts.

Kings have just under 13M for 15/16 according to CAPGEEK

The Kings situation for the expiring contracts in 15/16 hinges on what the Cap is set at next June, which is tied to the strength, or current lack thereof, of the Canadian dollar and what revenue is generated by the Rogers Sportsnet tv deal. Even if it's minimal increase (as is currently seen by most analysts) the Kings should be okay.

Pearson and TT currently at a bit over 700 K each, will most likely get 2 year bridge deals (which DL is a huge proponent of ) at perhaps 2.9 or so ,
Dollars needed - 4.5 total

Nolan unlikely to be resigned. Clifford , if he resigned (and that is an 'if' given his trade value and who in Manchester DL feels might be able to replace him) will get a minimal increase to be a 4th line winger,
Clifford is 1.075 now might get 700K to 900K, landing somewhere under the 2M mark
$$ needed - 900K

Andy - minimal increase to play center /winger on 4th line with Lewis and Clifford.
$$ 400K

Martinez- gets the 3M from RR who won't be retained taking him up to 4.1 per
$$ - 0

Williams currently at 3.6, might get something of a 2 yr deal at 1.35 each, taking him to 5M per
$$ needed 1.35

Stoll- gone. either by trade or release. As Jason Lewis has pointed out in several of his columns, with the black and white stats, he's been struggling for most of his shifts this year, whether it's the hip surgery or other , he's not the same player he used to be and his Corsi numbers have plummeted. And if you've watched every Kings game, you've seen that, he's been subpar.
DL's decision is SToll or Lewis to center the 4th line and that goes to Lewis, who is younger, faster, a great PK'er, a good hard working hustling defensive center who Is perfect for the 4th line. And has a reasonable contract

Martin Jones - currently at 550K will get an increase perhaps to 1.25 or so
$$ needed 700K

Kopitar- is signed for 15/16 and one of only 2 players (Lewis) who will required a deal going forward from 17/18 , which won't be an issue.

Total funds required for 15/16 are under neighborhood of 10M give or take and that leaves enough for McBain , if he works out, to a minimal deal and keeps the team under 69M
 
kingsfan said:
You should really drop the guys that likely won't get an huge increase (or any increase potentially) so you can toss out of that Andreoff, Nolan, Clifford, Stoll and Regehr.

The real players to focus on are Paerson, Toffoli, Martinez, Williams and Kopitar. And for Kopitar, he's two years away from getting that increase, so there's a potential for a huge increase in the cap by then.Honestly the only one that to me is a big issue is Williams and Martinez, as Pearson and Toffoli will likely get 2-3 years in the $2-$3 million range.



Yep, I missed the fact it's two years until Kopitar's new deal. Thanks for pointing it out. My bad.



You use this quote to show he's unhappy in the role of a 4th liner, yet you ignore the last sentence. Even he points fingers at himself for being on the 4th line. That quote does not sound like a guy unhappy with being on the fourth line, it sounds like a guy who is unhappy with himself for putting himself on the fourth line where he could contribute as much as he felt he could.
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Good points. Brown's contract concerns me more than Richards at this point. Richards production has not fallen off a cliff like Brown. Brown has 2 goals and 0 assists in 15 games this year and is a -2. Richards is 2 goals, 5 assists and a -1.

I think it's time we let Regehr and Stoll walk, unless they are willing to take big pay cuts. That should free up enough space to get Toffoli and Pearson signed. If we sign Martinez, Voynov's days are probably numbered. We could sign Martinez and then try to work out a trade next year, but who knows if that works or not...especially if other teams are going to be in salary cap trouble.
 
Kings won't let RR walk. That would mean they let Scuderi, Mitchell and RR walk in 3 seasons...They would have no stay at home D-man.

That would leave...

Doughty-Muzzin
????-Greene
McNabb-????
 
Thoughts on....

Richards (35% retained) to AZ for Vermette(50% retained) and Michalek(50% retained).

AZ adds just 675kay in real salary this season. LA adds less than 150kay in cap this season.

Both Vermette and Michalek are UFA at season's end. LA is stuck on the hook for 2mil in dead cap on Richards for the life of the contract. They upgrade slightly for this season, though, and save 3.75mil in cap going forward, by moving Richards. Michalek is a RHD like Voynov, granted, he plays a totally different style, but he's a solid, effective veteran D.

...?
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings won't let RR walk. That would mean they let Scuderi, Mitchell and RR walk in 3 seasons...They would have no stay at home D-man.

That would leave...

Doughty-Muzzin
????-Greene
McNabb-????
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Doesn't matter if we let him walk - we have guys in Manchester who are ready to step up. I know it's only one game, but everything was working better in Vancouver with him out of the lineup. Don't get me wrong - I think he has played pretty well this year and is very physical, but he is getting older and i'd rather get Martinez/Toffoli/Pearson locked up than keep him.

Doughty/Muzzin
Martinez/Voynov
Greene/Bodnarchuk/McBain/Raine/Ebert/whoever..
 
Kings are so unimpressed with Manchester that they signed McBain.

Schultz is a pylon.

Bodnarchuk was injured.

Raine is probably the best prospect now down there and he's straight out of juniors.

Forbot's stock has fallen...big time.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings won't let RR walk. That would mean they let Scuderi, Mitchell and RR walk in 3 seasons...They would have no stay at home D-man.

That would leave...

Doughty-Muzzin
????-Greene
McNabb-????
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Forbort will be ready by next season, Forbort is cost controlled.

Forbert/Gravel/Ebert should all be ready in the next year or two.

You obviously don't watch any Manchester Games. Lombardi grabbed McNabb, cause he is ready right now (Right this minute).

Forbort stocked hasn't dropped at all, people just had unrealistic expectations for a guy that was drafted as a project to begin with.

Lombardi also grabbed a guy named Frattin....How did that work out ?
 
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rt said:
Thoughts on....

Richards (35% retained) to AZ for Vermette(50% retained) and Michalek(50% retained).

AZ adds just 675kay in real salary this season. LA adds less than 150kay in cap this season.

Both Vermette and Michalek are UFA at season's end. LA is stuck on the hook for 2mil in dead cap on Richards for the life of the contract. They upgrade slightly for this season, though, and save 3.75mil in cap going forward, by moving Richards. Michalek is a RHD like Voynov, granted, he plays a totally different style, but he's a solid, effective veteran D.

...?
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2 million of dead cap space ,defeats the purpose of moving him. Slava is going nowhere .
 
I think teams like the Islanders, Flames, Leafs, and Oilers would be interested in Richards' as a "culture" changer.

Back to the D spot....This is only Forbort's 2nd FULL season in the AHL...Martinez and Voynov spent longer in the AHL and the Kings weren't the champions 2x over...Lombardi loves the Detroit model of having players stay in the AHL until they are ready...especially D-men.

Muzzin-Doughty is the first pair.

Kings need a stay at home D-men to play with Voynov on the 2nd unit. Or you move Greene or McNabb up, which I don't see happening.

The 3rd pair can be McNabb and Greene.
 
Johnny Utah said:
I think teams like the Islanders, Flames, Leafs, and Oilers would be interested in Richards' as a "culture" changer.

Back to the D spot....This is only Forbort's 2nd FULL season in the AHL...Martinez and Voynov spent longer in the AHL and the Kings weren't the champions 2x over...Lombardi loves the Detroit model of having players stay in the AHL until they are ready...especially D-men.
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Two full seasons is enough AHL time for a Defender. A-Mart/Slava were stuck behind log jams(Veterans) with the roster.

Not because they weren't ready.

A-Mart only played the equivalent of two full AHL seasons, so what are you talking about ? Muzzin, Two full seasons. Slava is really the only defender to spend a large time in Manchester.

Also the only reason Slava spent so much time in the AHL, he was 18 or 19 when he joined Manchester.
 
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Johnny Utah said:
Kings are so unimpressed with Manchester that they signed McBain.

Schultz is a pylon.

Bodnarchuk was injured.

Raine is probably the best prospect now down there and he's straight out of juniors.

Forbot's stock has fallen...big time.
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They aren't unimpressed - they have no cap space to bring anyone else up.
 
damacles1156 said:
Two full seasons is enough enough AHL time for a Defender. A-Mart/Slava were stuck behind log jams(Veterans) with the roster.

Not because they weren't ready.

A-Mart only played the equivalent of two full AHl seasons, so what are you talking about ? Muzzin, Two full seasons. Slava is really the only defender to spend a large time in Manchester.
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Martinez played 2.25...

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=81001
 
bmr said:
They aren't unimpressed - they have no cap space to bring anyone else up.
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Also no one is quite ready.

Shultz is the only guy, but his cap hit prevents a call up atm.

Forbort/Gravel/Ebert all not quite their yet.

Forbort should be good to go next year. I would give him some NHL games next season.
 
Kings loved Scuderi, Mitchell and RR. I don't see them letting all 3 walk in the end.

RR looks rejuvenated this year. I would re-sign on a one year deal. McNabb will probably take Martinez's spot. That buys time for Forbort or Raine.
 
They didn't let Scuderi walk, Or Mitchell. They couldn't afford Mitchell, and Scuderi wanted to go home East Coast. RR will most likely just not be offered a contract.

Letting somone walk is what happened to Frolov, where Lombardi doesn't even bother to contact said players agent.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Kings loved Scuderi, Mitchell and RR. I don't see them letting all 3 walk in the end.

RR looks rejuvenated this year. I would re-sign on a one year deal. McNabb will probably take Martinez's spot. That buys time for Forbort or Raine.
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If the Kings let Martinez walk, I think it will go down as one of their worst decisions. He has been our best defenseman this year...I'd like to see him get over 20 minutes per game and see where he's at.
 
Perro said:
Let Stoll leave and move Richards to 3rd line center.
Use cap room from stoll leaving to help sign kopi and RFA's.
Still will be tight but is an option.
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At the moment, and unless things change Richards IS the 3rd line center. Stoll has been playing on the 4th line with Lewis and that's where he'll probably be playing unless his game really picks up. Richards has shown some chemistry with Brown and even King at times, although it would be nice if King could hit the net when Richards gets the puck to him.
 
deeshamrock said:
We? Who is this 'we' , you don't work for the Kings, pal and they are not 'up against the CAP', according the Capgeek, the team listed at 1 in that area for 2015-16 are the Flyers with 2.6M in capspace and 10 expiring contracts.

Kings have just under 13M for 15/16 according to CAPGEEK

The Kings situation for the expiring contracts in 15/16 hinges on what the Cap is set at next June, which is tied to the strength, or current lack thereof, of the Canadian dollar and what revenue is generated by the Rogers Sportsnet tv deal. Even if it's minimal increase (as is currently seen by most analysts) the Kings should be okay.

Pearson and TT currently at a bit over 700 K each, will most likely get 2 year bridge deals (which DL is a huge proponent of ) at perhaps 2.9 or so ,
Dollars needed - 4.5 total

Nolan unlikely to be resigned. Clifford , if he resigned (and that is an 'if' given his trade value and who in Manchester DL feels might be able to replace him) will get a minimal increase to be a 4th line winger,
Clifford is 1.075 now might get 700K to 900K, landing somewhere under the 2M mark
$$ needed - 900K

Andy - minimal increase to play center /winger on 4th line with Lewis and Clifford.
$$ 400K

Martinez- gets the 3M from RR who won't be retained taking him up to 4.1 per
$$ - 0

Williams currently at 3.6, might get something of a 2 yr deal at 1.35 each, taking him to 5M per
$$ needed 1.35

Stoll- gone. either by trade or release. As Jason Lewis has pointed out in several of his columns, with the black and white stats, he's been struggling for most of his shifts this year, whether it's the hip surgery or other , he's not the same player he used to be and his Corsi numbers have plummeted. And if you've watched every Kings game, you've seen that, he's been subpar.
DL's decision is SToll or Lewis to center the 4th line and that goes to Lewis, who is younger, faster, a great PK'er, a good hard working hustling defensive center who Is perfect for the 4th line. And has a reasonable contract

Martin Jones - currently at 550K will get an increase perhaps to 1.25 or so
$$ needed 700K

Kopitar- is signed for 15/16 and one of only 2 players (Lewis) who will required a deal going forward from 17/18 , which won't be an issue.

Total funds required for 15/16 are under neighborhood of 10M give or take and that leaves enough for McBain , if he works out, to a minimal deal and keeps the team under 69M
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That may be a ballpark for Pearson, but if Toffoli cracks 50 points (which is looking like he'll easily do save an injury) there's no way the Kings are locking him up for anything under 4-5.
 
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