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Mike Richards VI (UGH): The Armageddon Edition (MOD NOTE POST #1)

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Anyone visit the main board lately? I can imagine how the news is being taken:

RCMP and Border Services are involved? The conspiracy goes deeper than we thought! Clearly, Lombardi, Bettman, and the Canadian government are collaborating to give the Kings cap relief!
 
Fishhead said:
If Canadian privacy law prevents the CBS from commenting further, how the heck do certain hockey insiders know what happened?

Color me skeptical.
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The hockey insiders aren't commenting further either
 
agentfouser said:
So If charges are filed, does that mean they will necessarily become public knowledge?
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Of course. Any court in Canada is a public court, just as it is in the USA.

KingsFan7824 said:
A shocking incident at the border that might result in charges somewhere between now and never. Is he an alien? Like a MiB alien? It's aliens.
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The Canadians apparently have privacy laws that go a step further than the USA, so apparently the Mounted Police cannot talk about an ongoing investigation. From what I gather, charges can be filed as soon as today. If not today, maybe later this week. If not later this week, perhaps sometime in the future.

And then again the investigation may result in no charges filed whatsoever. Sometimes, criminal investigations result in a decision not to prosecute due to any number of reasons, including lack of evidence.
 
Boba Fettuccine said:
The hockey insiders aren't commenting further either
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If MR is charged with a felony I am ok with what the Kings did. The news last night made no mention of any arrest or on-going investigation.

I hope no one else gets in trouble this summer, the Kings could be the only team with more criminal charges than shootout goals.
 
Ron said:
Of course. Any court in Canada is a public court, just as it is in the USA.
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Is the same true of an arrest? That is, if he were arrested, would it be public knowledge? Or is it possible that he was arrested and released before news got out?

Also, is there some intermediate thing between arresting and not arresting? Could he have been "detained" and issued a citation, perhaps? That might not be public knowledge, but could have initiated an investigation. Then again, it's difficult to imagine what he could have done that would bring about a "material breach" of contract, but not arrest.
 
Herby said:
If MR is charged with a felony I am ok with what the Kings did. The news last night made no mention of any arrest or on-going investigation.

I hope no one else gets in trouble this summer, the Kings could be the only team with more criminal charges than shootout goals.
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setting records even in the offseason
 
agentfouser said:
Is the same true of an arrest? That is, if he were arrested, would it be public knowledge? Or is it possible that he was arrested and released before news got out?
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I don't know for sure, but given the privacy laws of Canada, he could have very well been arrested without public knowledge, since it appears that RCMP nor the Canadian Border Service are allowed to discuss it.

But I have to believe that the news would have leaked, from say, some clerk in the office that wants to break the news. So I don't know about an arrest. However, when you are talking the possibility of criminal charges being filed, you are talking about booking procedures. I know in several investigations in which I was the investigating officer, we let the defendants come in voluntarily for booking purposes.

That's what may have been done here for courtesy purposes.

DISCLAIMER: Keep in mind this is speculation, and discussed in a general manner and as a response to a poster's question, and is not libelous in any form to any person or any manner whatsoever.
 
agentfouser said:
Is the same true of an arrest? That is, if he were arrested, would it be public knowledge? Or is it possible that he was arrested and released before news got out?

Also, is there some intermediate thing between arresting and not arresting? Could he have been "detained" and issued a citation, perhaps? That might not be public knowledge, but could have initiated an investigation. Then again, it's difficult to imagine what he could have done that would bring about a "material breach" of contract, but not arrest.
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A person can be detained and then given, as a courtesy, a future date to come in and get booked (fingerprints, mug photos, processing, etc.) rather than being arrested.

That is, of course, if Canadian authorities are similar to US authorities. Again, I am talking from personal experiences. Some bad ***** have to be arrested for safety purposes. Others can be given a courtesy based on the type of charges filed, their reliability to adhere to the criminal justice system, and other factors.
 
Question.... NHLPA is going to look into this situation, as they should. Kings had to clear the termination with the NHL, so the NHL has already approved it. It also sounds like Richards is going to be a UFA tomorrow either way. Even if the NHLPA probe/legal shenanigans comes back with the Kings owing Richards some damages (some of the buyout pay) would that even effect the cap hit from the Kings perspective?

It sounds like to me the NHL ended the contract (will be disputed), ends in a termination cap hit.

Richards signing as a UFA will prevent his old contract from being reinstated, so all the Player's association can do is get him damages. Which won't necessarily have any effect on the Kings cap.

Also we should find out at the start of free agency what happened.... Richards will need to start telling teams what the issue is if he's looking for a new contract. At that point someone will probably let it slip.
 
Legal incidents like this appears to be always results in me being shocked that the main board is full of nothing but legal experts
 
Telos said:
I think the biggest disappointment over the whole situation is that there was the potential to trade him. There were teams that were remotely interested. Regardless of what happened, Richards screwed things up royally for himself.
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He screwed over the Kings.

First he doesn't hold up his end of the bargain, forcing the Kings to try and move his contract, then he gets into trouble so the Kings can't even trade him.

This is a guy whose always been praised for his leadership and character. His on-ice play has long been overrated, sounds like his character is as well.
 
Its nice that Eric Macramalla is offering his legal opinion on this case, and no doubt he is more qualified to offer it than 99% of the people here, but if you google his name and look through all the articles he has written over the years anything that relates to a players union (NHL, NFL, etc.) you can see he seems to always be taking the players side.

His opinion hardly seems unbiased.
 
Has any professional athlete been caught with high level PED's? We've seen recreational drugs, don't think you would be able to terminate a contract on that since legal precedent has been set. However, I don't believe we've seen an athlete in physical possession of high level PED's before. It's always been a name on a list of sales by a trainer or supplier. To me that would constitute a legal battle to terminate a players contract. You would know for sure the player is artificial and cannot perform without whatever he was or has been taking or for how long this has been going on.
 
Trolfoli said:
Question.... NHLPA is going to look into this situation, as they should. Kings had to clear the termination with the NHL, so the NHL has already approved it. It also sounds like Richards is going to be a UFA tomorrow either way. Even if the NHLPA probe/legal shenanigans comes back with the Kings owing Richards some damages (some of the buyout pay) would that even effect the cap hit from the Kings perspective?

It sounds like to me the NHL ended the contract (will be disputed), ends in a termination cap hit.

Richards signing as a UFA will prevent his old contract from being reinstated, so all the Player's association can do is get him damages. Which won't necessarily have any effect on the Kings cap.

Also we should find out at the start of free agency what happened.... Richards will need to start telling teams what the issue is if he's looking for a new contract. At that point someone will probably let it slip.
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Watch no one will offer him a contract and MR and his agent will sue DL for defamation of character based on his discussions at the draft.
 
mbar said:
Its nice that Eric Macramalla is offering his legal opinion on this case, and no doubt he is more qualified to offer it than 99% of the people here, but if you google his name and look through all the articles he has written over the years anything that relates to a players union (NHL, NFL, etc.) you can see he seems to always be taking the players side.

His opinion hardly seems unbiased.
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To be fair, almost every time it has worked out in the players favor, however, we haven't seen anything like this in 15-20 years.
 
mbar said:
Its nice that Eric Macramalla is offering his legal opinion on this case, and no doubt he is more qualified to offer it than 99% of the people here, but if you google his name and look through all the articles he has written over the years anything that relates to a players union (NHL, NFL, etc.) you can see he seems to always be taking the players side.

His opinion hardly seems unbiased.
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Yes, I was getting irritated listening to him and all the time in my mind I am thinking "but you don't know all the facts." He may know more than we know but he doesn't know the entire scope of the RCMP/CBS investigation.
 
KopitarFAN said:
To be fair, almost every time it has worked out in the players favor, however, we haven't seen anything like this in 15-20 years.
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obviously DL would have to be aware of this though too, you think a guy who specialized in labor law and was an agent for players would put his neck out on the chopping block and basically instigate a full on legal war with the NHLPA if he didn't have a really really solid case? what on earth does he have to gain in that situation? it's not even like this was the best case scenario considering we were in talks to trade MR - even with salary retained, we would set that number and it would still almost certainly be better than this recapture penalty or a buyout all things considered. Keep in mind too with the Lucic signing, it's VERY CLEAR that we are in win now mode, and buying out is actually better than cap recapture until a few years down the line, when it theoretically wouldn't matter anyways due to rebuilding.

that's why I think whatever happened has to be something pretty substantial for them to even think they could go through with a termination compared to just buying out and ridding themselves of the situation without the drawn out legal battle etc.
 
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