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Mike Richards III (Cleared waivers 1/27/15)

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Brad Doty said:
Copied this from the Monarchs thread because I liked it, but also in reference to the last line--maybe Richards DID train his butt off this last summer, but three months doesn't undo all those years of not doing it, i'd also like to see what happens after this year for him (whether it's with our org or not) because I agree, maybe this is just what he needed to reinvent himself as an NHL player.
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At this point it may be better to put Richards at the 3C next year and see if he rebounds vs a defense only guy making 3-4M and the 30% cap hit from moving Richards. (Stoll isn't signed yet, and may not be coming back even if Richards is moved)

Trading for Dion wouldn't be the worst thing ever. Sure... maybe over paid... may not work in the locker room.... Would be kind of a **** move, but Dion would have to waive his NTC to come to LA... and then the question is which bottom feeder would pay the most for him.... Kinda a Sam Gagner type move....
 
I'm not sure how trading for Dion would help the cap situation at all. He would essentially be Regher's replacement. The only way this remotely makes sense is if the Kings are absolutely sure that Voynov has played his last game in a Kings uniform and they are comfortable going with someone like McBain to replace him.

Tying up close to $30M in your defense when the cap is projected to be around 73M would be idiotic, IMO. The Kings have $32M+ committed between forwards and goalies, So who would you want to say goodbye to, Toffoli or Pearson?

Having two Defensemen paid over $7M when you have 3 other guys under contract making $4M is as stupid as Chicago paying 2 forwards $10M+.
 
Toronto is not going to be able to move Dion without retaining salary. They just aren't going to be able too.

No team is going to pick up contracts like that anymore, when cap space is at such a premium.

There is a reason Richards is still a King, Dion still a Leaf.
 
damacles1156 said:
Toronto is not going to be able to move Dion without retaining salary. They just aren't going to be able too.

No team is going to pick up contracts like that anymore, when cap space is at such a premium.

There is a reason Richards is still a King, Dion still a Leaf.
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But that is why a trade between the team could make sense. Phaneuf is still a 2nd pair defender and Richards is in the AHL so obviously the Kings would have to add, but if you are the Leafs who are likely going to be awful for the next 3-5 years anyways do you trade for Richards if the Kings throw in a quality prospect?

I think it could be a win/win for both sides. Just comes down to figuring out how much worse MR's contract is than Phaneuf's.
 
I think it would be smarter for the Kings to send Richards away to get as much cap space as they can. Something more along the lines of Richards plus $2M retained, Weal & a middle rounder for the 1st rounder TOR just got from NSH (which this year will be a very late 1st). To me that makes more sense than any trade for Phaneuf. Maybe even take Jokinen back to help the deal happen, then waive Olli for the $900k cap space and to help replace what Weal brings to Manch.

Then the Kings could use the 1st with some cap space and a player like, say...Nolan (who I like a lot by the way), to get something they're more in need of.

Just a thought.
 
Face Wash said:
I think it would be smarter for the Kings to send Richards away to get as much cap space as they can. Something more along the lines of Richards plus $2M retained, Weal & a middle rounder for the 1st rounder TOR just got from NSH (which this year will be a very late 1st). To me that makes more sense than any trade for Phaneuf. Maybe even take Jokinen back to help the deal happen, then waive Olli for the $900k cap space and to help replace what Weal brings to Manch.

Then the Kings could use the 1st with some cap space and a player like, say...Nolan (who I like a lot by the way), to get something they're more in need of.

Just a thought.
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I think it would be wise for Dean to try something like that, but I think Toronto is going to hang on to pretty much all of their picks considering that A ) this draft is loaded with talent and B) Toronto are, from what I hear, entering into a true rebuild.
at this point they are trading as much as they can for the highest possible returns (in the form of prospects and draft picks)
 
Toronto will not be giving up any picks. The day's of that management team being a gong show are over.

I think Shanny is fully in charge in Toronto.
 
Toronto could have just picked up Richards for nothing, retaining 2m a year suddenly doesn't shoot his value up to a 1st round pick, the guy is in the AHL and was miserable his last calendar year in the NHL. $2m retain is a drop in the bucket, no one wants to pay $3.8m to an AHL player, better than $5.8 but still awful.

I just don't see how a move is made unless the Kings retain north of $3m a season or they bring back another huge contract that a team doesn't want, that's why I feel like Phaneuf makes some sense. A $7m a year #3 defenseman makes a lot more cap sense than a $5.75m AHL center.

Still think ultimately this ends up with a buyout, the Kings can withstand the small cap hit from years 1-3 and 6-10, years 4 and 5 could hurt but that should be about when the Kings cup window is closing with this core anyways.
 
I don't think Richards get moved or bought out. Not an easy sell for Lombardi to tell his boss "Hey I need 20 million to make this player go away"....

Even for a corporation like AEG. They have certain financial expectations.
 
Fishhead said:
I'm not sure how trading for Dion would help the cap situation at all. He would essentially be Regher's replacement. The only way this remotely makes sense is if the Kings are absolutely sure that Voynov has played his last game in a Kings uniform and they are comfortable going with someone like McBain to replace him.

Tying up close to $30M in your defense when the cap is projected to be around 73M would be idiotic, IMO. The Kings have $32M+ committed between forwards and goalies, So who would you want to say goodbye to, Toffoli or Pearson?

Having two Defensemen paid over $7M when you have 3 other guys under contract making $4M is as stupid as Chicago paying 2 forwards $10M+.
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I don't think you'll get McBain next year for $550. He's well on his way to playing his way back into the NHL.
 
Herby said:
Toronto could have just picked up Richards for nothing, retaining 2m a year suddenly doesn't shoot his value up to a 1st round pick, the guy is in the AHL and was miserable his last calendar year in the NHL. $2m retain is a drop in the bucket, no one wants to pay $3.8m to an AHL player, better than $5.8 but still awful.

I just don't see how a move is made unless the Kings retain north of $3m a season or they bring back another huge contract that a team doesn't want, that's why I feel like Phaneuf makes some sense. A $7m a year #3 defenseman makes a lot more cap sense than a $5.75m AHL center.

Still think ultimately this ends up with a buyout, the Kings can withstand the small cap hit from years 1-3 and 6-10, years 4 and 5 could hurt but that should be about when the Kings cup window is closing with this core anyways.
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Richards is playing well in the AHL. He's clearly NOT an "AHL player" no matter how much you hate him.

It has to be the perfect deal for Lombardi to eat salary. 2-3 million in PHANTOM cap space handicaps the team just as much as 5.75 tied to a declining player. Be logical here.
 
If the Kings simply wanted to just rid themselves of Richards, they would have already done that.

Buyout or retain 50% of his salary, would have already happened. Lombardi is trying to do what's best for the team and Richards atm.
 
Richie10 said:
Richards is playing well in the AHL. He's clearly NOT an "AHL player" no matter how much you hate him.

It has to be the perfect deal for Lombardi to eat salary. 2-3 million in PHANTOM cap space handicaps the team just as much as 5.75 tied to a declining player. Be logical here.
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And he was horrendous as a fourth line center for the Kings which put him in the AHL, how is it incorrect to call him an AHL'er, he is playing in the AHL correct?

Would you rather he be called a AAAA player? Which is the term MLB scouts use for a guy to good for the minors but not a MLB'er.

If the Kings choose to buy out Richard's it's under $2m a year for eight seasons with years four and five being close to $4m. In the big picture that is easier to overcome than close to $6m for a player who wasn't able to cut it on the teams fourth line.

And funny that you say I "hate" the player, all I have ever done is observe him based on how he played for the Kings. And I think it's funny that I am considered biased when your username is "Richie10" and days before he was demoted to the AHL you wanted him to be back on a line with Jeff Carter despite it failing miserably everytime it has happened the past two years, so maybe you may be the one who is a bit biased in your thinking.
 
Sure wish the Kings would hurry up and do something permanent with Mike Richards so I don't have to read what sounds to be a never ending drum beating in this thread.
 
Folks you are free to use the thread ignore feature, it works perfectly.

This thread is here and running, to keep Richards talk out of other threads.
 
damacles1156 said:
If the Kings simply wanted to just rid themselves of Richards, they would have already done that.

Buyout or retain 50% of his salary, would have already happened. Lombardi is trying to do what's best for the team and Richards atm.
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For all the round and round and discussion, it's pretty much this.

The only way Richards is traded is if there is little to no salary retention. If he is traded for a hefty contract with a higher cap number, or if the Kings have to retain more than a couple hundred thousand in salary, it's basically going to slam the contention window shut and they might as well do a more significant retool.

Since the CDN is struggling, even in the better scenarios the Kings are right up against it with regards to maintaining a contending roster. Williams is not coming back, that ship sailed when both Muzzin and Martinez were signed for a 4M cap hit. He and Stoll are going to have to be replaced with near-minimum guys to make it work as it is.

Shore hopefully improves and replaces Stoll, but the Kings no longer have guys like Toffoli and Pearson to bring up. Shore is it, really. The top 3 scorers in Manchester right now are all small. Weal has the most size out of that bunch. We know how those odds play out.

The best case scenario is that Richards elevates his play and commits enough for the Kings to bring him back up or get decent value for him. I'm pulling for the guy but I think those odds are 50/50 at best.

The cap situation actually has me not caring a whole lot about the Slava situation. If he's reinstated, great. If he's not, great too. His $4M+ contract gets voided and he's replaced by a guy like McBain, or Miller/Forbert steps up and we go through some minor growing pains.

But hey, we got two cups, which is a special thing in this day and age. Teams around the league see the Kings as the gold standard. One thing is certain, Lombardi/Solomon will be earning every penny of their salaries going forward.
 
Herby said:
And he was horrendous as a fourth line center for the Kings which put him in the AHL, how is it incorrect to call him an AHL'er, he is playing in the AHL correct?

Would you rather he be called a AAAA player? Which is the term MLB scouts use for a guy to good for the minors but not a MLB'er.

If the Kings choose to buy out Richard's it's under $2m a year for eight seasons with years four and five being close to $4m. In the big picture that is easier to overcome than close to $6m for a player who wasn't able to cut it on the teams fourth line.

And funny that you say I "hate" the player, all I have ever done is observe him based on how he played for the Kings. And I think it's funny that I am considered biased when your username is "Richie10" and days before he was demoted to the AHL you wanted him to be back on a line with Jeff Carter despite it failing miserably everytime it has happened the past two years, so maybe you may be the one who is a bit biased in your thinking.
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Oh, come on, man. Look back on my post history. You'd be hard pressed to find many "#freerichards" rhetoric. I've always admitted his faults.

You, on the other hand, have been beating the same drum for months. And yes, I don't think you've always viewed Richards with an entirely objective light, just as we all do with players. You continually cite metrics as justification, yet are consistently quiet when stats come out like the recent JftC article which had Richards out chancing/producing guys like Brown and Stoll.

Richards was not as bad as you make him out to be. And yes, I do believe Sutter mismanaged his minutes. Richards contract devalues him as a player. Do you REALLY believe, if he was making 3 million a year, that not a single team in the league would have picked him up off waivers? Saying crap like "Richards is an AHL player, that's why no one claimed him hue hue" exposes your agenda. Like Bob Mckenzie himself stated recently, Richards contract is the problem. The guy is still an NHL player. On the Kings? No, but on some team, that's obvious.
 
Just as a small aside, because I've posted on both sides of the debate--I think this board is great; we're overall VERY moderate about a polarizing issue. There are precious few posts that can be seen as extreme and in most cases even those that are very disagreeable are backed up with effort. That's more than a LOT of other boards around here.

I know my feelings on this thread's existence are very well known but the reason it's always going strong are because we have great posters backing up their sides of a clearly contentious issue with support in the form of facts/stats and opinions that aren't completely out to lunch w/no support.

Just a random musing being as we are thousands of posts into this saga. Don't want anyone to think that any of us are holding grudges because I think for ALL of our sakes the best thing to happen is Richards to just hulk out. :nod:
 
Richie10 said:
Oh, come on, man. Look back on my post history. You'd be hard pressed to find many "#freerichards" rhetoric. I've always admitted his faults.

You, on the other hand, have been beating the same drum for months. And yes, I don't think you've always viewed Richards with an entirely objective light, just as we all do with players. You continually cite metrics as justification, yet are consistently quiet when stats come out like the recent JftC article which had Richards out chancing/producing guys like Brown and Stoll.

Richards was not as bad as you make him out to be. And yes, I do believe Sutter mismanaged his minutes. Richards contract devalues him as a player. Do you REALLY believe, if he was making 3 million a year, that not a single team in the league would have picked him up off waivers? Saying crap like "Richards is an AHL player, that's why no one claimed him hue hue" exposes your agenda. Like Bob Mckenzie himself stated recently, Richards contract is the problem. The guy is still an NHL player. On the Kings? No, but on some team, that's obvious.
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Can't spell hyperbole without ole herby ;) stupid letter p ruining a good joke
 
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