Mike Richards III (Cleared waivers 1/27/15)

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They might have Richards, Weal, and Oneil together, with Mike playing wing.

This is why they sent him to Manchester, perhaps, when, even in his diminished state, he's a better option than Shore? He has to learn to play wing.
 
Richards should have no trouble producing like this nightly in the AHL.

Richards is an NHL caliber player. The problem is somewhere along the line, Richards lost the drive/will to play at high level consistently.

I hope he gets his game back.
 
Oneil scores a shorty on a nice assist from Richards!! Richards picks off the d to d pass at the offensive blue line, skates it up the left wing, and calmly waits for Oneil to catch up. Nice play. Richards looking very good so far at a wing position. Maybe this will be good for him. Different defensive responsibility, and it could open his game up a little bit.
 
Oneil scores a shorty on a nice assist from Richards!! Richards picks off the d to d pass at the offensive blue line, skates it up the left wing, and calmly waits for Oneil to catch up. Nice play. Richards looking very good so far at a wing position. Maybe this will be good for him. Different defensive responsibility, and it could open his game up a little bit.

Id like To think playing at wing would work that way but it's a trade off; playing center I worry about his defensive reaponsibilities and skating the 200 feet demanded by the kings (especially vs elite centers) where at wing I worry about his board work. If he can reinvent himself though that would be beautiful.
 
I put the intermission interview with Coach Mike Stothers on the Manchester Monarchs thread. He mentioned Richards.
 
Not to cause grief here or get anyone angry at me (and its certainly early with the Manchester experiment) but why wouldn't one not have tried Richards at wing with the Kings before placing him on the waiver wire? At this stage, it probably could not have hurt and, I know, I know; he was likely given a fair chance at wing by Sutter for at least a shift or two at some point in the past 3 years. Just asking.
 
Id like To think playing at wing would work that way but it's a trade off; playing center I worry about his defensive reaponsibilities and skating the 200 feet demanded by the kings (especially vs elite centers) where at wing I worry about his board work. If he can reinvent himself though that would be beautiful.
So far his board work has been fine, at least handling the puck. He has good hands still. He won't be what Sutter likes defensively at wing though. So.......
 
Not to cause grief here or get anyone angry at me (and its certainly early with the Manchester experiment) but why wouldn't one not have tried Richards at wing with the Kings before placing him on the waiver wire? At this stage, it probably could not have hurt and, I know, I know; he was likely given a fair chance at wing by Sutter for at least a shift or two at some point in the past 3 years. Just asking.

We have tried him at wing for more than a couple of shifts. It was horrendous.
 
Yup, to some degree every time Richards lost his check right in front of the net, it was partially his fault.

The same can be said of every player on the team. :shakehead

If the Kings forwards were scoring at 30% in the shootout we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Again, 7 points puts the Kings in the playoffs. I'm going to blame the players who haven't scored in the shootout. I'm not going to blame 3rd and 4th line players, including Mike Richards.

So why not blame the guys not scoring at 30%, which is everyone:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/shootoutstats.htm?season=20142015&team=LAK&viewName=shootoutsSkaters#

A better question is, why not blame Sutter? Kopitar is 0-for-7, why is he still shooting?

And again, you need to get to a shootout for it to be an issue. In each game you reference someone had to screw up something to get the game to a shootout. Why not blame them?

Please tell me which one of the shootout loses is on Quick. Last time I checked you don't win but not scoring.

For the third time, 7 points puts us in the playoffs. Winning the shootouts would give us those 7 points. Fingers will be pointed at squandered opportunities.

You do win by by not allowing goals though, and Quick's save percentage is terrible the past few months. If you take away for the first month of the season, he's sub .900. But again, let's defend him and single out our top three offensive producers on a per game basis as the problem.
 
The same can be said of every player on the team. :shakehead



So why not blame the guys not scoring at 30%, which is everyone:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/shootoutstats.htm?season=20142015&team=LAK&viewName=shootoutsSkaters#

A better question is, why not blame Sutter? Kopitar is 0-for-7, why is he still shooting?

And again, you need to get to a shootout for it to be an issue. In each game you reference someone had to screw up something to get the game to a shootout. Why not blame them?



You do win by by not allowing goals though, and Quick's save percentage is terrible the past few months. If you take away for the first month of the season, he's sub .900. But again, let's defend him and single out our top three offensive producers on a per game basis as the problem.

Hockey is a game of mistakes! Rary does a coach view a goal and totally blame the goalie. When major break downs happen and the puck is in the back if the net, there are several things that have taken place before it gets to that point. Sure, save percentages are great, but they are meaningless. Quicks save percentage is being hung out to dry because of the numerous quality scoring chances teams are getting.
 
Not to cause grief here or get anyone angry at me (and its certainly early with the Manchester experiment) but why wouldn't one not have tried Richards at wing with the Kings before placing him on the waiver wire? At this stage, it probably could not have hurt and, I know, I know; he was likely given a fair chance at wing by Sutter for at least a shift or two at some point in the past 3 years. Just asking.

They did. It didn't work. If they are determined to see if it can work, trying it in Manchester is probably the way to go, all things considered.

Lombardi's comments about Selanne are really intriguing, now!
 
Yea I can point to specific games for those three players.


THU NOV 6, 2014 FINAL NYI (2) - LAK (1) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Islanders scored out of 3)

WED NOV 12, 2014 FINAL LAK (5) - ANA (6) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Ducks scored out of 4)

TUE NOV 25, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - NSH (4) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Predator scored out of 6)

SUN DEC 14, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - TOR (4) SO (Kopitar and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Maple Leaf scored out of 3)

TUE DEC 30, 2014 FINAL LAK (2) - EDM (3) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 1 Oiler scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 10, 2015 FINAL WPG (5) - LAK (4) SO (Carter failed to score, 1 Jet scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 17, 2015 FINAL ANA (3) - LAK (2) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Duck scored out of 3)




That's 7 points squandered because the Kings top players, the Kings natural gifted goal scorers can't score in the shootout. I don't care if the shootout is dumb, that is unacceptable. 7 points puts the Kings back in the playoffs.

For thread purposes Mike Richards missed on his one shootout attempt against the Jets.

Interesting choice of games to point out this players since in those 7 games Gaborik had 8 points, Kopitar had 6 pts, only Carter was weak with 3 points. On the other hand save % was around 0,900 in those seven games...
 
The same can be said of every player on the team. :shakehead:

No, it really can't, because there isn't a center on the Kings that lost their check with the same large frequency that Richards displayed. If you can't admit that, you really shouldn't engage in this debate.
 
If your going to put Richards at Wing, you stick him in the top six. Or we all will be having this same conversation after he fails to produce anything in the bottom six on wing, with centers like Stoll/Andy/Lewis...

The Bottom six needs a revamp completely.

Putting him at wing will mask his Defensive drop, but Richards is a distributor of the puck. He needs people that can do something with those chances he creates.

The day's of Richards scoring 20 goals are over, he is more like a 10-15G 25-35A guy now. play him accordingly.

If Richards can become the Justin Williams of the left side, more power to him. I think he would be fine on the 3rd line in that capacity. He needs to work on his shot some, but I am rooting for him.
 
Lombardi pretty much banished him to the minors. There is a slim chance he ever wears a Kings jersey again and people are still making excuses and asking to try him at the wing? Guys, he is done.
 
Lombardi pretty much banished him to the minors. There is a slim chance he ever wears a Kings jersey again and people are still making excuses and asking to try him at the wing? Guys, he is done.

You're right- he's probably done as an LA King but I wouldn't be so sure he's done as a competent NHL'er playing on another Stanley Cup winner. Thank you so much for reminding us of Richards' present plight; us who are simply hoping that a winner gets back into the good graces of management and the coaching staff. However, if the first point comes to fruition, I'll be sure to also remind you and others.
 
No, it really can't, because there isn't a center on the Kings that lost their check with the same large frequency that Richards displayed. If you can't admit that, you really shouldn't engage in this debate.

C'mon now, now people shouldn't post or debate unless they agree with you? Do you have any hard evidence to back your claim up, or is it just the ever subjective 'eye' test?

I haven't missed a home game and have only missed a handful of TV ones in the last 11 seasons. I feel that Stoll loses his man more than Richards, he's always behind on the play. It's why he takes so many penalties when the other team is pressing. But its just an opinion, really, because absolutely no one watches games with complete objectivity and will always notice what they are looking for.

I get that the Richards debate is polarizing, but sheesh.
 
C'mon now, now people shouldn't post or debate unless they agree with you? Do you have any hard evidence to back your claim up, or is it just the ever subjective 'eye' test?

That's what I keep saying! Don't even bother with him man, it's useless because apparently you're always wrong. Better to just ignore him.
 
Please tell me which one of the shootout loses is on Quick. Last time I checked you don't win but not scoring.

For the third time, 7 points puts us in the playoffs. Winning the shootouts would give us those 7 points. Fingers will be pointed at squandered opportunities.

I don't think you can use shoot out stats to place blame for a team loss. That was my point.
However if you want to use shootout stats to place the blame it can be done on the goaltenders as well. You say shooters should score on 30% of their shots, that means goalies should save 70% of the shots. Therefore by YOUR logic you can blame any shootout loses where a kings goalie saves < 70% of the shots in the shootout.
You will note I said goalies and not Quick or Jones, as I care too little into this shootout stats to blame players argument to look up each goalie individually.
 
I really didn't mind the couple games we gave Richards next to Kopitar earlier in the year. Nobody probably remembers this, because there were no goals, but they sustained some good pressure and created plenty of chances. Richards sprung Kopitar for a couple clean breakaways too, but surprise surprise he couldn't finish. It wasn't always pretty, but it suggested the potential for placing Richards simultaneously in a lesser role with improved linemates.
 
Lombardi pretty much banished him to the minors. There is a slim chance he ever wears a Kings jersey again and people are still making excuses and asking to try him at the wing? Guys, he is done.

If he keeps tearing it up at this kind of pace in the AHL, he will either get another look on the Kings or be traded to another team. I would sure like to see O'Neill get a shot on the Kings. He's having a ridiculously good year.
 
I really didn't mind the couple games we gave Richards next to Kopitar earlier in the year. Nobody probably remembers this, because there were no goals, but they sustained some good pressure and created plenty of chances. Richards sprung Kopitar for a couple clean breakaways too, but surprise surprise he couldn't finish. It wasn't always pretty, but it suggested the potential for placing Richards simultaneously in a lesser role with improved linemates.

hell King has been given more of a chance to play with Kopitar.
 
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