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Mike Richards III (Cleared waivers 1/27/15)

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Alot of our players have been underperfoming, Im worried about Browns contract to be honest with you.

Brown: 50 8 11 19 -10 this year

Richards: 47 5 10 15 -7 this year with lower ice time.

Food for thought but we have a few big contracts that can be scary if the players dont perform.
 
saintsnsoldiers said:
Alot of our players have been underperfoming, Im worried about Browns contract to be honest with you.

Brown: 50 8 11 19 -10 this year

Richards: 47 5 10 15 -7 this year with lower ice time.

Food for thought but we have a few big contracts that can be scary if the players dont perform.
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His production is definitely bad but I think he looks much better this season than last. He's skating hard, reasonably physical and is for the most part competing. He doesn't have much of a shot though, and that's a concern. I don't mind the contract right now but it will be a problem in the future. But considering how hard this Richards thing seems to be biting us in the ass I gotta think Lombardi has learned his lesson and moves Brown when the time is right, ie before he becomes untradeable.
 
KINGS17 said:
PUHLEASE!!! It's not like Richards is being scapegoated by the Kings' organization. He was given plenty of opportunities. When we are discussing Richards and the players that are in the NHL, we are not talking about TONIGHT's game.

I get the affection that many fans have for the guy, but he isn't a good fit for the Kings going forward if he doesn't turn his game around BIG TIME.
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Players that have played poorly this season:

Los Angeles Kings

Players that have been held accountable for poor play:

Mike Richards

Players responsible for the Kings being out of a playoff position:

Jeff Carter
Anze Kopitar
Marian Gaborik
 
BigBrown said:
His production is definitely bad but I think he looks much better this season than last. He's skating hard, reasonably physical and is for the most part competing. He doesn't have much of a shot though, and that's a concern. I don't mind the contract right now but it will be a problem in the future. But considering how hard this Richards thing seems to be biting us in the ass I gotta think Lombardi has learned his lesson and moves Brown when the time is right, ie before he becomes untradeable.
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Thats the part that scares me, bad is still bad and at a higher cost, both these guys play hard 30 seems to be the age were this type of player really breaks down, hard nose hockey takes its toll, still love me some Browny though
 
That is what I don't get with people deflecting on Brown. Brown has looked better than Richards but that isn't saying much. I'll go as far as to say Brown has been decent this year considering he hasn't been tethered to Kopitar's hip most the season. That doesn't change the fact Brown's contract is worse and from what I understand has a much stiffer penalty if he ends up in Richards territory.

I like Brown and he is definitely still an NHL player but he is not worth anything close to the money he gets. I do think that is the bigger concern. The Kings will likely get out from under the Richards contract one way or the other. The Brown situation is going to be very interesting. I'm looking forward to that thread.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
That is what I don't get with people deflecting on Brown. Brown has looked better than Richards but that isn't saying much. I'll go as far as to say Brown has been decent this year considering he hasn't been tethered to Kopitar's hip most the season. That doesn't change the fact Brown's contract is worse and from what I understand has a much stiffer penalty if he ends up in Richards territory.

I like Brown and he is definitely still an NHL player but he is not worth anything close to the money he gets. I do think that is the bigger concern. The Kings will likely get out from under the Richards contract one way or the other. The Brown situation is going to be very interesting. I'm looking forward to that thread.
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Well said, just trying to compare abit, we have alot of players underachieving this year, guess its going to happen now and then, I think we have alot of cap issues and bad contracts ahead of us, like you said going to be a fun ride, In my mind I keep going back to.... we are 2 time Stanley Cup Champions. Still puts a smile on my face
 
lordjedediah said:
Players that have played poorly this season:

Los Angeles Kings

Players that have been held accountable for poor play:

Mike Richards

Players responsible for the Kings being out of a playoff position:

Jeff Carter
Anze Kopitar
Marian Gaborik
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Probably alot of people who can be added ot the bottom but Quick's SP the last two months has been terrible. Most of those goals have been own goals that you cannot really fault him on, but then who do we blame? The defense? Not matter what that save percentage needs to be higher
 
Buddy The Elf said:
That is what I don't get with people deflecting on Brown. Brown has looked better than Richards but that isn't saying much. I'll go as far as to say Brown has been decent this year considering he hasn't been tethered to Kopitar's hip most the season. That doesn't change the fact Brown's contract is worse and from what I understand has a much stiffer penalty if he ends up in Richards territory.

I like Brown and he is definitely still an NHL player but he is not worth anything close to the money he gets. I do think that is the bigger concern. The Kings will likely get out from under the Richards contract one way or the other. The Brown situation is going to be very interesting. I'm looking forward to that thread.
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Half the team isn't close to worth the money they get. The points aren't there, the effort is, Brown it's this generations Dave Taylor.
 
Reaper45 said:
Half the team isn't close to worth the money they get. The points aren't there, the effort is, Brown it's this generations Dave Taylor.
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dave taylor played in a cap free world where his value was huge because of intangibles.
Now in a cap world intangibles mean much less, players making higher salaries need to put up points in order for there cap hit to be justified.
 
Perro said:
Probably alot of people who can be added ot the bottom but Quick's SP the last two months has been terrible. Most of those goals have been own goals that you cannot really fault him on, but then who do we blame? The defense? Not matter what that save percentage needs to be higher
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Can you point to specific losses and solely blame Quick?

Edit: And not to derail the thread can anyone point to specific losses and blame Richards?
 
lordjedediah said:
Can you point to specific losses and solely blame Quick?
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Jonathan Quick save percentage 2014-15

October .942
November .915
December .901
January .878
February .852

With those numbers we don't have to point to specific losses. Quick needs to step up.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Brown just got that contract and is the team Captain.

Mike Richards' has always been considered a better player than Brown. More is expected from MR.
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Brown was drafted earlier and was into the league sooner. DL gave him a cap hit above Richards, and did that back when Richards wasn't terrible and still Johnny Utah approved. For a time I think I'd agree that Richards was ahead of Brown, specifically his best two seasons in Philly when he also made the Olympic team, but overall throughout their careers I don't think Richards has even been consistently above Brown.
 
lordjedediah said:
Can you point to specific losses and solely blame Quick?

Edit: And not to derail the thread can anyone point to specific losses and blame Richards?
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Not to derail the thread either but you singled out Kopitar, Gaborik and Carter. Can you single out games for them?

Let's all be honest, it's a collective thing. Quick's Sav % is brutal the past two months, but he's also had decent games we've lost because others failed. In this season it'd be easier to make a list of who has been great/good than who hasn't. Drew Doughty should be the runaway team MVP this year.
 
Buddy The Elf said:
That is what I don't get with people deflecting on Brown. Brown has looked better than Richards but that isn't saying much. I'll go as far as to say Brown has been decent this year considering he hasn't been tethered to Kopitar's hip most the season. That doesn't change the fact Brown's contract is worse and from what I understand has a much stiffer penalty if he ends up in Richards territory.

I like Brown and he is definitely still an NHL player but he is not worth anything close to the money he gets. I do think that is the bigger concern. The Kings will likely get out from under the Richards contract one way or the other. The Brown situation is going to be very interesting. I'm looking forward to that thread.
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Let's be clear. By not buying out Richards' contract last summer, Dean put Richards' and Brown's contracts in exactly the same category when it comes to cap hit penalties.

I don't see how Dean gets out from under the Richards' contract other than buying him out, which involves a big cap hit penalty. It's either that or Mike Richards is a very expensive AHL player with a salary that counts against the team's NHL cap minus roughly $1M.
 
kingsfan said:
Not to derail the thread either but you singled out Kopitar, Gaborik and Carter. Can you single out games for them?

Let's all be honest, it's a collective thing. Quick's Sav % is brutal the past two months, but he's also had decent games we've lost because others failed. In this season it'd be easier to make a list of who has been great/good than who hasn't. Drew Doughty should be the runaway team MVP this year.
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Yea I can point to specific games for those three players.


THU NOV 6, 2014 FINAL NYI (2) - LAK (1) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Islanders scored out of 3)

WED NOV 12, 2014 FINAL LAK (5) - ANA (6) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Ducks scored out of 4)

TUE NOV 25, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - NSH (4) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Predator scored out of 6)

SUN DEC 14, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - TOR (4) SO (Kopitar and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Maple Leaf scored out of 3)

TUE DEC 30, 2014 FINAL LAK (2) - EDM (3) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 1 Oiler scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 10, 2015 FINAL WPG (5) - LAK (4) SO (Carter failed to score, 1 Jet scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 17, 2015 FINAL ANA (3) - LAK (2) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Duck scored out of 3)




That's 7 points squandered because the Kings top players, the Kings natural gifted goal scorers can't score in the shootout. I don't care if the shootout is dumb, that is unacceptable. 7 points puts the Kings back in the playoffs.

For thread purposes Mike Richards missed on his one shootout attempt against the Jets.
 
lordjedediah said:
Players that have played poorly this season:

Los Angeles Kings

Players that have been held accountable for poor play:

Mike Richards

Players responsible for the Kings being out of a playoff position:

Jeff Carter
Anze Kopitar
Marian Gaborik
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No one here has ever said that Mike Richards was the only problem. Now when it comes to the eye test, it's obvious which of the guys you listed has declined the most.
 
lordjedediah said:
Yea I can point to specific games for those three players.


THU NOV 6, 2014 FINAL NYI (2) - LAK (1) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Islanders scored out of 3)

WED NOV 12, 2014 FINAL LAK (5) - ANA (6) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 2 Ducks scored out of 4)

TUE NOV 25, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - NSH (4) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Predator scored out of 6)

SUN DEC 14, 2014 FINAL LAK (3) - TOR (4) SO (Kopitar and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Maple Leaf scored out of 3)

TUE DEC 30, 2014 FINAL LAK (2) - EDM (3) SO (Kopitar and Carter failed to score, 1 Oiler scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 10, 2015 FINAL WPG (5) - LAK (4) SO (Carter failed to score, 1 Jet scored out of 4)

SAT JAN 17, 2015 FINAL ANA (3) - LAK (2) SO (Kopitar, Carter and Gaborik failed to score, 1 Duck scored out of 3)




That's 7 points squandered because the Kings top players, the Kings natural gifted goal scorers can't score in the shootout. I don't care if the shootout is dumb, that is unacceptable. 7 points puts the Kings back in the playoffs.

For thread purposes Mike Richards missed on his one shootout attempt against the Jets.
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pointing to a shootout to defend how specific forwards cost games not the goalie is stupid.
Pointing to shootouts to blame for a lose in a TEAM game is moronic to begin with.
 
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kingsfan said:
Not to derail the thread either but you singled out Kopitar, Gaborik and Carter. Can you single out games for them?

Let's all be honest, it's a collective thing. Quick's Sav % is brutal the past two months, but he's also had decent games we've lost because others failed. In this season it'd be easier to make a list of who has been great/good than who hasn't. Drew Doughty should be the runaway team MVP this year.
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this post is 100% accurate.
 
Perro said:
pointing to a shootout to defend how specific forwards cost games not the goalie is stupid.
Pointing to shouts to blame for a lose in a TEAM game is moronic to begin with.
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It doesn't matter if hockey is a team game in the shootout. The fact remains that it's a situation where individuals have disappointed and it's clear who the individual's are.

It's not the goaltending. In 5 of the 7 SOL the goaltender has only allowed 1 goal. That's as good as you can realistically expect your goalie to perform.
 
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