Rumor: Mike Reilly hoping to be traded

[Number8]

One of the worst D in the league.

I think you are being too hard on the Leafs. Ease off a bit, buddy.

 

[Viqsi]

One of the worst D in the league.

The vindictive part of me that wants to see him fail for giving my team the finger wants to believe this, but I can't. He's a competent bottom-of-the-lineup specialist in his own way; he's just overpaid.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'd like to try Reilly in San Jose but not sure what kind of trade makes sense for the Bruins. It seems like it'd have to be dollar for dollar as neither team has cap space but would Boston do something like Simek (on IR) and either Harrington or Megna for Reilly?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

lol this is hilarious.

Mike Reilly is so misunderstood. If there were no covid cap, Reilly would have been easily moved, but there are only 4 teams that can add $3mil in cap and in this environment, teams aren't making massive re-arrangements to supplement the bottom of their rosters.

Reilly is above average at zone entry defense, puck retrievals, controlled zone exits and play driving. He's a victim of the bruins cap structure and having 5 NHL LHD. He's played solidly with every bruins RHD, achieving xG% of 55% with all three of them. He was better than that the year he was traded out of Ottawa despite larger than average D zone deployment. He's a good player who makes just enough money to be a cap casualty in Boston because he's not as good at his role as Gryz.

His only success has been when playing with McAvoy otherwise he is a disaster off the bottom pairing. The contract was a disaster the moment it was signed. Sweeney had to cover the fact he traded a 3rd round pick for Reilly.

2 years at 2 million perhaps. 3 years? 3 million? Both were failures by Sweeney.

Soft. Plays scared in his zone. Creates zero offense aside from the rare time he carries the puck into the corners to pass to the slot.. Transitions the puck above average but also is a deer in headlights under a forecheck.

A non playoff team could do much worse than Reilly as a #5-6 but playoff teams should have zero interest.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

I'd like to try Reilly in San Jose but not sure what kind of trade makes sense for the Bruins. It seems like it'd have to be dollar for dollar as neither team has cap space but would Boston do something like Simek (on IR) and either Harrington or Megna for Reilly?

Is Simek out for the season?

Otherwise probably doesn't make sense.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

lol this is hilarious.

Mike Reilly is so misunderstood. If there were no covid cap, Reilly would have been easily moved, but there are only 4 teams that can add $3mil in cap and in this environment, teams aren't making massive re-arrangements to supplement the bottom of their rosters.

Reilly is above average at zone entry defense, puck retrievals, controlled zone exits and play driving. He's a victim of the bruins cap structure and having 5 NHL LHD. He's played solidly with every bruins RHD, achieving xG% of 55% with all three of them. He was better than that the year he was traded out of Ottawa despite larger than average D zone deployment. He's a good player who makes just enough money to be a cap casualty in Boston because he's not as good at his role as Gryz.

Mike Reilly is not as bad as people are making him out to be, but I still don't think he's a 3 million dollar defenseman. And certainly not one on a team that went out and spent their load on Lindholm at deadline.

No teams can take him on, but I'd still argue he's not a 3M AAV player. Especially for 2 seasons. While I don't think he's that bad, it will likely cost something to move, and that's on a long list of assets out the door for the same reason.

All of Sweeney's good contracts have been completely negated by the bad ones he's made. Add Reilly to a growing list.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Is Simek out for the season?

Otherwise probably doesn't make sense.

He shouldn't be but a cheaper penalty if buried and more the style the Bruins would like as a recall if needed. I'm not sure what makes sense for Boston in this scenario. They're not going to get all of it out for nothing obviously. Most trades have to involve some combination of retention and/or cap going the other way.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

He shouldn't be but a cheaper penalty if buried and more the style the Bruins would like as a recall if needed. I'm not sure what makes sense for Boston in this scenario. They're not going to get all of it out for nothing obviously. Most trades have to involve some combination of retention and/or cap going the other way.

Understood.

I was under the impression his cap hit was the same. Checked, it's 2.1, certainly worth the discussion.

At this point they are going to need to get creative.

 

[biturbo19]

Boston are probably really hoping he's traded too! What a coincidence!

Realistically, it's going to to take a team in a desperate injury situation or something to take on that contract. $3M with another year remaining is just way too hard to handle for a player like that. He's really only ever looked decent with the Bruins...and even then, he's clearly got his limitations.

On a minimum sort of deal, he'd be an easy guy to move. But at $3M it's next to impossible. Nobody who is "buying" has anywhere near that kind of cap room to splurge on a bottom-pairing guy.

It's John Moore 2.0.

 

[McSuper]

He’s a poor man’s Matt Dumba

He is a homeless man's Dumba

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Boston are probably really hoping he's traded too! What a coincidence!

Realistically, it's going to to take a team in a desperate injury situation or something to take on that contract. $3M with another year remaining is just way too hard to handle for a player like that. He's really only ever looked decent with the Bruins...and even then, he's clearly got his limitations.

On a minimum sort of deal, he'd be an easy guy to move. But at $3M it's next to impossible. Nobody who is "buying" has anywhere near that kind of cap room to splurge on a bottom-pairing guy.

It's John Moore 2.0.

Reilly re-signing was questionable from the beginning, and even more so when they were in the mix for Lindholm. Not sure why Sweeney handcuffed the team spending quality cap space on the bottom half of the roster the first time they actually had cap space.

Nosek, Foligno, Reilly, all quality players for their roles, but all overpaid enough that it's noticable.

 

[Viqsi]

Boston are probably really hoping he's traded too! What a coincidence!

Realistically, it's going to to take a team in a desperate injury situation or something to take on that contract. $3M with another year remaining is just way too hard to handle for a player like that. He's really only ever looked decent with the Bruins...and even then, he's clearly got his limitations.

On a minimum sort of deal, he'd be an easy guy to move. But at $3M it's next to impossible. Nobody who is "buying" has anywhere near that kind of cap room to splurge on a bottom-pairing guy.

It's John Moore 2.0.

Enh. Jackets fans would have been more amenable if it was Moore. He actually put in his time here after being drafted.

 

[biturbo19]

Enh. Jackets fans would have been more amenable if it was Moore. He actually put in his time here after being drafted.

It took me a second to even realize what you're were getting at. I had totally forgotten that Reilly started his career by bailing on the Jackets with one of those NCAA loopholes.

Anyway. Basically the same player otherwise. Skates real good and not a lot else. I think Moore was probably actually better overall, but marginal either way. Both bottom-pairing defencemen, who eventually fell into overpriced contracts with the Bruins somehow.

 

[burstnbloom]

His only success has been when playing with McAvoy otherwise he is a disaster off the bottom pairing. The contract was a disaster the moment it was signed. Sweeney had to cover the fact he traded a 3rd round pick for Reilly.

2 years at 2 million perhaps. 3 years? 3 million? Both were failures by Sweeney.

Soft. Plays scared in his zone. Creates zero offense aside from the rare time he carries the puck into the corners to pass to the slot.. Transitions the puck above average but also is a deer in headlights under a forecheck.

A non playoff team could do much worse than Reilly as a #5-6 but playoff teams should have zero interest.

This is exactly what I mean. These are opinions. They also don't bear out in the numbers at all.

In Boston he has played over 1500 minutes at even strength and the bruins have outscored their opponents 66-57. By xG its 73.38-52.98.

Last year he played 376 min with McAvoy (64.9% xG lol), 388 with Carlo (56.2% xG) and 190 with Clifton (53% xG). McAvoy and Carlo had better underlying numbers with Gryz but worse with everyone else they played with. Clifton was better with Reilly than anyone else.

He's "soft" but consistently the bruins outscore their opponents when he's on the ice for over 1500 minutes. Your anecdotal observations can't invalidate what actually happens when he's playing. For every bad play your confirmation bias remembers, there are more positive ones in the other direction and the numbers are there to prove it.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

It's the contract. He's simply not a $3 million a year player. Never was. Never will be. He's a 6-7. Skates well, makes a decent pass, but under pressure makes a lot of bad decisions. If the Bruins are prepared to eat 50% of the remaining amount due, they might find a taker.

Isn't Rielly one of those analytics darlings? The type who looks better on a spreadsheet than he ever does on the ice?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

This is exactly what I mean. These are opinions. They also don't bear out in the numbers at all.

In Boston he has played over 1500 minutes at even strength and the bruins have outscored their opponents 66-57. By xG its 73.38-52.98.

Last year he played 376 min with McAvoy (64.9% xG lol), 388 with Carlo (56.2% xG) and 190 with Clifton (53% xG). McAvoy and Carlo had better underlying numbers with Gryz but worse with everyone else they played with. Clifton was better with Reilly than anyone else.

He's "soft" but consistently the bruins outscore their opponents when he's on the ice for over 1500 minutes. Your anecdotal observations can't invalidate what actually happens when he's playing. For every bad play your confirmation bias remembers, there are more positive ones in the other direction and the numbers are there to prove it.

Given that Boston's overall 5v5 numbers last year were 58% xGF his stats are more reflective of someone playing on an excellent possession team who gets a high% of OZ starts.

Isn't Rielly one of those analytics darlings? The type who looks better on a spreadsheet than he ever does on the ice?

His possession stats are good with Boston because he has sheltered deployment on a great 5v5 team. If you just look at raw xGF yeah he's a darling. Once normalized to the rest of his team the truth gets more complex.

 

[wintersej]

Given that Boston's overall 5v5 numbers last year were 58% xGF his stats are more reflective of someone playing on an excellent possession team who gets a high% of OZ starts.



His possession stats are good with Boston because he has sheltered deployment on a great 5v5 team. If you just look at raw xGF yeah he's a darling. Once normalized to the rest of his team the truth gets more complex.

You have to be careful with your normalization here. The Bruins xGF rates have historically been driven pretty strongly by Patrice Bergeron being on the ice. If you are blessed to be one of the players that gets put out there with Bergeron it’s gonna help you…but if your aren’t, well, the team xGF doesn’t mean shit.

 

[burstnbloom]

Given that Boston's overall 5v5 numbers last year were 58% xGF his stats are more reflective of someone playing on an excellent possession team who gets a high% of OZ starts.



His possession stats are good with Boston because he has sheltered deployment on a great 5v5 team. If you just look at raw xGF yeah he's a darling. Once normalized to the rest of his team the truth gets more complex.

20/21 Ottawa - 51.68 xG% on 35.62 ozone starts
19/20 Ottawa - 52.60 xG% on 48% ozone starts

He was also a positve xG% player in Montreal. In fact, he really hasn't been a net negative until his time with Minnesota.

Also, I was directly comparing him to his team. Of LHD on the bruins, He brought higher possession rates with all the RHD than his teammates with the exception of Gryz, who is a better version of Mike Reilly. The only argument against Reilly the player is his mistakes look goofy and loud but in the aggregate, he's a net positive, no matter what case you try to make.

 

[Jumptheshark]

traded for Kasper Kapanen

 

[ESH]

Without taking any salary back... Probably a 2nd + 5th.


If they take back a bad contract but for 1 year instead, maybe a 3rd. Or if they retain on Rielly.

You think the guy who passed through waivers twice has value?