Player Discussion Mike Reilly (D) acquired from the Montreal Canadiens

[AchtzehnBaby]

I strongly disagree. His game is rapidly deteriorating from where he was a couple weeks ago. Buddy is completely lost out there. He should start sitting some games out.

I disagree stonglier!

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

I disagree stonglier!

You think Reilly is playing well?

 

[topshelf15]

Sanderson cant get here fast enough....But I dont want us to rush him ,if he isnt ready then more Reilly or some other gap filler until he is

 

[jbeck5]

Sanderson cant get here fast enough....But I dont want us to rush him ,if he isnt ready then more Reilly or some other gap filler until he is

Might be smart to sign an actual decent d. Not a super expensive top pairing D (if one is even available) but maybe a more proven 2nd pairing defenseman for 4-5 million on a 2-3 year deal? I don't know who's available yet but I would push for something like that. Someone like a Sutton/Methot/Phillips range. Not a superstar but a known solid middle pair defenseman that you know what you're getting. Enough of these 7th defenseman that we can hope catch lightning in a bottle like Rielly, Coburn, brown, gudbranson..

 

[topshelf15]

Might be smart to sign an actual decent d. Not a super expensive top pairing D (if one is even available) but maybe a more proven 2nd pairing defenseman for 4-5 million on a 2-3 year deal? I don't know who's available yet but I would push for something like that. Someone like a Sutton/Methot/Phillips range. Not a superstar but a known solid middle pair defenseman that you know what you're getting. Enough of these 7th defenseman that we can hope catch lightning in a bottle like Rielly, Coburn, brown, gudbranson..

Agreed but if we are to have a 7th defender my choice out of that list is Gubranson....But for sure an upgrade in that 2nd pairing LHD slot is a must

 

[GCK]

I strongly disagree. His game is rapidly deteriorating from where he was a couple weeks ago. Buddy is completely lost out there. He should start sitting some games out.

There really is no internal replacement for him at this point unless you go Brannstromm and Coburn. Don’t say Wolanin as he is a complete disaster.

Try dealing him at the deadline and at the very least don’t resign him.

 

[GCK]

Brannstrom and Wolanin. Way more upside.

Wolanin has no real upside.

 

[jbeck5]

Agreed but if we are to have a 7th defender my choice out of that list is Gubranson....But for sure an upgrade in that 2nd pairing LHD slot is a must

100% gudbranson should be the 7th. He puts in effort and will defend his teammates and apparently has leadership qualities. If he can resign for cheap, I'd keep him as the 7th playing 30-50 games for the next few years.

I'd keep Chabot, zub, zaitsev. Bring on that 2nd pair D to round out the top 4. Bring in guys like Sanderson,JBD, kleven, Thompson etc over the next 1-3 years.

I'd also note that we have Sanderson, who is a high end talent. Obviously he wasn't going to be playing in his draft+1 year like tkachuk and stutzle especially being a D, but he's a step higher than all of our other recent prospects, and the team will probably have a hard time keeping him off next year's team. He might get a dozen AHL games but I can easily see him pushing for a top 4 role on the big sens by the end of next year when he'll be almost 20.

 

[trentmccleary]

Reilly has been the league full time for 4 years. He's been a #4 on two bad teams, which likely means that he would be on the bottom pair of an average team. We can ground opinions in reality, as opposed to our emotional outbursts after a mistake in a game.

Alec Martinez is 46th in TOI/GP over the past 4 years, which easily makes him a #2.

The team isn't going to easily entice a #2 to sign to replace a bottom pairing d-man and they probably won't want to considering how top heavy the team is with defensive prospects banging on the door.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Wolanin has no real upside.

That remains to be seen. He's 25 and has only played 22 games total in the past 2+ years. Extremely short sighted to just write him off at this point, especially when it costs you nothing to get a look at him.

 

[bert]

Wolanin has no real upside.

His upside is fairly obvious. If you actually think Reilly is a hands down better option than Coburn or Brannstrom I find that highly questionable.

Joe Corvo 2.0.

Without the talent. But with all the same risks.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

You think Reilly is playing well?

I saw him screw up a couple of times last night, but I also saw him play well.

There's a reason why he is getting minutes.

 

[BondraTime]

I saw him screw up a couple of times last night, but I also saw him play well.

There's a reason why he is getting minutes.

The reason being our other 5 defense behind him are also not everyday NHL caliber, with Branstrom being a rookie exception?

Hard to not get minutes when your battling 4/5 other guys that we shouldn’t want playing.

 

[bert]

I saw him screw up a couple of times last night, but I also saw him play well.

There's a reason why he is getting minutes.

What is he doing well enough to mitigate a goal against a game that is directly his fault. Both games where they won would have been shutouts if it weren't for him. He caused 2 of the 6 goals against in the loss. I don't know what people are watching if they think he has played well.

Honestly question to anyone defending him. Did you watch the intermission when Johnson broke down the goal against?

 

[jbeck5]

I saw him screw up a couple of times last night, but I also saw him play well.

There's a reason why he is getting minutes.

But it may not necessarily be a good reason.

Like I'm sure there's some reason why Stepan was getting so many minutes or why Haley was being dressed, but I doubt it would be a reason I'd agree with...but who am I.

 

[jbeck5]

What is he doing well enough to mitigate a goal against a game that is directly his fault. Both games where they won would have been shutouts if it weren't for him. He caused 2 of the 6 goals against in the loss. I don't know what people are watching if they think he has played well.

Honestly question to anyone defending him. Did you watch the intermission when Johnson broke down the goal against?

Don't worry, the post game show talked about how clueless Rielly looked on the goal against. Callers were talking about it. The hosts were talking about it.

He just left his man alone in front. Something you learn not to do at 12...but here we are in the NHL.

 

[branch]

One of my least favourite Senators of all time

 

[Tuna99]

But it may not necessarily be a good reason.

Like I'm sure there's some reason why Stepan was getting so many minutes or why Haley was being dressed, but I doubt it would be a reason I'd agree with...but who am I.

Would you want Coubourn or Wolanin over Reilly?

 

[jbeck5]

Would you want Coubourn or Wolanin over Reilly?

Coburn no. Wolanin I wouldn't mind giving 15-20 games to see if he can get a rhythm going similar to Logan brown. Then if they still stink, you get rid of them. If they don't stink, you have yourself a player. With Rielly it's more a case of he is what he is. This would have been a year to see what we have. I would have given balcers and Jaros atleast a dozen games before getting rid of them too. But that's been discussed a bunch before.

 

[Xspyrit]

Reilly will continue to fool people. Some games you will think "he is finally figuring it out" but then will go back to his usual self.

He is a Jekyll and Hyde type of player. If you have several players like this on your roster, chances are that your team is going to be Jekyll and Hyde too

Wolanin has no real upside.

Like Balcers?

Just kidding, Balcers is nothing guaranteed yet!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

When he looks good its relative to who else we can throw out there.. He can skate better than most of them for starters. His brain goes into huge lapses.
The opening draw from the 3rd period last night.
White gets the puck back to him after the faceoff at C.. and moves to get the puck back. Reilly turns his back and skates the puck back into his end and instead of moving it across to his wide open D partner , once he's actually back in his end with it, spins and fires it up the boards ..to effectively no one. Brain dead... His play at the blue line on Lucic's goal also ... wtf are you thinking there.. This is not a mistake of catching an edge and falling these are decision mistakes .. and he makes a few a game. He also makes some good plays mixed in there... He's a 7th D on many d corps. I can't imagine what Brannstrom learned watching last night.

 

[trentmccleary]

Simple graph with ice time and plus minus:

Reilly	2020	2021	Total	Total GP
>20 mins	-7	-4	-11	17
18_20	2	-3	-1	15
16_18	-4	3	-1	19
<16	3	-2	1	16
Total	-6	-6	-12	67

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Is this a decision making issue, a conditioning issue or somewhere in between?

 

[branch]

Simple graph with ice time and plus minus:

Reilly	2020	2021	Total	Total GP
>20 mins	-7	-4	-11	17
18_20	2	-3	-1	15
16_18	-4	3	-1	19
<16	3	-2	1	16
Total	-6	-6	-12	67

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Is this a decision making issue, a conditioning issue or somewhere in between?

He's just not good

 

[BondraTime]

Simple graph with ice time and plus minus:

Reilly	2020	2021	Total	Total GP
>20 mins	-7	-4	-11	17
18_20	2	-3	-1	15
16_18	-4	3	-1	19
<16	3	-2	1	16
Total	-6	-6	-12	67

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Is this a decision making issue, a conditioning issue or somewhere in between?

He's a 6/7 D getting fed minutes on a team with multiple healthy scratch D. The issue is he isn't very good, the more we play him the worse off we are.

If he gets traded to any playoff bound team, I'd be very surprised if he were in their lineup. Most teams won't play guys who are good for a few boneheaded plays a game, especially when they are neither a defensive or offensive player.

 

[Emerica]

The guy just has a very low hockey IQ and the more ice-time he gets, the more apparent his low IQ is. Being a good athlete only gets you so far when 90% of the decisions you make on the ice are the wrong ones.