Value of: Mike Matheson

[Anardil]

Which teams need someone like Matheson and what's the best offer we could get for him? Matheson is a legit stud, he's cost controlled for 2+ seasons and we could even eat some salary for a contender (he's already cheap tho). He's still in his prime, plays big minutes (he can easily play 24-25 mins) vs top competition and he can play on PP1 but he's a great luxury to have on PP2 for a contender.

It's actually very possible that Matheson could get moved as soon as this season imo, we have a lot of players coming up (Hutson/Reinbacher/Mailloux/Barron/Engstrom) and age-wise he doesn't fit into our long term plans (by the time we'll be ready to contend his contract will be up etc.).

Biggest need for MTL is young top 6 help (players that fit into our cores age group), we could add additional pieces like picks (not our 1st rounder)/Barron/Harris/other prospects (Mesar/Barron/Farrell etc) for a bigger deal.

I know many fans want to sell as many pieces to amass as much youth as possible to help with the rebuild, but if the Habs trade all the veterans on D, then they run the risk of becoming the Sens or Sabres who have teams choick full of young promising players, but no veteran leadership to help the youth reach their potential.

I agree that there are no real 'untouchables' in sports, but at this moment d-men like Matheson and Savard hold more value to the Habs as mentors than their potential returns on the trade market IMHO.

 

[Gurglesons]

He's not a perfect player, but he isn't a flawed player either. He's not Gosth or Gustafsson, he can defend even tho it's not a strength. With the quality of competition he's facing and the minutes he's playing he'd be a top defenseman if his defending was great.

Since he's in Montreal he's been great, seems like he figured things. If he plays like that on whatever team acquires him, he'll be the best #3 in the league... Don't think he's traded, at least not this season.

The poster you are quoted is a Penguins fan.

We had Matheson as a # 3/4. He was not the best in the league. He is one of the dumbest players in the league. Amazing raw abilities. But he is a total mess in his own zone at times and was a big reason we lost the Rangers series and why he was ultimately moved.

 

[Bouboumaster]

The poster you are quoted is a Penguins fan.

We had Matheson as a # 3/4. He was not the best in the league. He is one of the dumbest players in the league. Amazing raw abilities. But he is a total mess in his own zone at times and was a big reason we lost the Rangers series and why he was ultimately moved.

Funnily enough, in Montréal, he has the opposite problem it seems lol

He's ok in his own zone, but he's a turn-over machine in the offensive zone

 

[Gurglesons]

Funnily enough, in Montréal, he has the opposite problem it seems lol

He's ok in his own zone, but he's a turn-over machine in the offensive zone

Seems like a lie. Every game PIT has played Montreal since trading him he’s been giving up the puck just like here.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Seems like a lie. Every game PIT has played Montreal since trading him he’s been giving up the puck just like here.

Matheson is really our best and our worst guy on the PP, at the same time.

You'd see that, if you actually watched the game.

 

[Gurglesons]

Matheson is really our best and our worst guy on the PP, at the same time.

You'd see that, if you actually watched the game.

Yeah, that's Matheson. He's awful and will lose a game with his talent, but also can break a game with his talent. Usually both in the same game.

 

[The Great Weal]

Wasn't there just a thread about this the other day and absolutely no one was interested

Well that settles that, if a few posters on a hockey forum claim that they aren't interested that means all other 31 teams aren't interested either.

 

[ole ole]

Seems like a lie. Every game PIT has played Montreal since trading him he’s been giving up the puck just like here.

So your 3 games out-weight the other 55 games this season.
Seems like someone is hoping it's a lie.
Too bad it isn't.

 

[Gurglesons]

So your 3 games out-weight the other 55 games this season.
Seems like someone is hoping it's a lie.
Too bad it isn't.

I get it. Hockey is so bad in Montreal these days claiming Mike Matheson is not one of the biggest liabilities in the league and is better offensively than Kris Letang and EK65 is the only thing to do.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I get it. Hockey is so bad in Montreal these days claiming Mike Matheson is not one of the biggest liabilities in the league and is better offensively than Kris Letang and EK65 is the only thing to do.

What a joke. Matheson is putting up similar numbers to Karlsson on what SHOULD be a worse team. And Karlsson is a bigger defensive liabiity.

 

[ole ole]

I get it. Hockey is so bad in Montreal these days claiming Mike Matheson is not one of the biggest liabilities in the league and is better offensively than Kris Letang and EK65 is the only thing to do.

Imagine judging a guy from the 3 games out of 55 you have seen this season and your come back is this exaggeration. WOW .

 

[McJedi]

This has been posted for a few days now and not one fan from one team has said what they'd offer for this guy or even indicated an interest. Everyone knows their own team best and it appears NO ONE has seen the name Mike Matheson and said... That's a guy we'd want to acquire and need.

The market for a 30 something, puck moving, defensively inept $5MM/year LHD with +2 years of term is really tiny. This is a supply vs demand issue. There are a lot more flawed defenders like Matheson than teams needing a flawed player like Matheson (puck moving PP2 QB on a long term contract that has a big problem with turnovers and stinks in his own zone).

This guy has been traded twice for bad contracts going the other way. That's very likely what the Habs would need to to here. Trade him for a bad contract with term coming back to Montreal.

Something like Kevin Hayes for Mike Matheson is the type of trade I'd expect to see. In line with Matheson's past two trades, which moved him for bad contracts in a change of scenery swap.

Given how much the Habs play this guy and the fact they are not a playoff contender.... they'll keep him because they need him to eat minutes.

The value of Mike Matheson is highest to one team. Montreal.

 

[Bouboumaster]

This has been posted for a few days now and not one fan from one team has said what they'd offer for this guy or even indicated an interest. Everyone knows their own team best and it appears NO ONE has seen the name Mike Matheson and said... That's a guy we'd want to acquire and need.

The market for a 30 something, puck moving, defensively inept $5MM/year LHD with +2 years of term is really tiny. This is a supply vs demand issue. There are a lot more flawed defenders like Matheson than teams needing a flawed player like Matheson (puck moving PP2 QB on a long term contract that has a big problem with turnovers and stinks in his own zone).

This guy has been traded twice for bad contracts going the other way. That's very likely what the Habs would need to to here. Trade him for a bad contract with term coming back to Montreal.

Something like Kevin Hayes for Mike Matheson is the type of trade I'd expect to see. In line with Matheson's past two trades, which moved him for bad contracts in a change of scenery swap.

Given how much the Habs play this guy and the fact they are not a playoff contender.... they'll keep him because they need him to eat minutes.

The value of Mike Matheson is highest to one team. Montreal.

I think he would easily be worth at 1st + at the tdl if Habs wanted to trade him (which they don't, they Play His ass anywhere between 25 to 30 minutes every game)

 

[CTHabsfan]

I get it. Hockey is so bad in Montreal these days claiming Mike Matheson is not one of the biggest liabilities in the league and is better offensively than Kris Letang and EK65 is the only thing to do.

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Noah Dobson is right behind Mile Matheson, is Dobson also a defensive liability? I wonder why Matheson gets so much PK time when everyone else on the Habs (according to this chart) would be a better defensive option? Could it be that Mike Matheson has a lot of turnovers because he plays a lot of minutes, much like the other guys on this list?

 

[Guy Larose]

This has been posted for a few days now and not one fan from one team has said what they'd offer for this guy or even indicated an interest. Everyone knows their own team best and it appears NO ONE has seen the name Mike Matheson and said... That's a guy we'd want to acquire and need.

The market for a 30 something, puck moving, defensively inept $5MM/year LHD with +2 years of term is really tiny. This is a supply vs demand issue. There are a lot more flawed defenders like Matheson than teams needing a flawed player like Matheson (puck moving PP2 QB on a long term contract that has a big problem with turnovers and stinks in his own zone).

This guy has been traded twice for bad contracts going the other way. That's very likely what the Habs would need to to here. Trade him for a bad contract with term coming back to Montreal.

Something like Kevin Hayes for Mike Matheson is the type of trade I'd expect to see. In line with Matheson's past two trades, which moved him for bad contracts in a change of scenery swap.

Given how much the Habs play this guy and the fact they are not a playoff contender.... they'll keep him because they need him to eat minutes.

The value of Mike Matheson is highest to one team. Montreal.

A few facts for you...he's not 30 something, he turns 30 tomorrow. He wasn't a bad contract given away, KH specifically asked for him, or no deal, and PITTS initially said no. He plays near 30 minutes a game, so you're bound to get a few goals scored when you're on the ice. Facts are a good thing when trying to be the smartest guy on the room...but failing at it.

 

[McJedi]

I think he would easily be worth at 1st + at the tdl if Habs wanted to trade him (which they don't, they Play His ass anywhere between 25 to 30 minutes every game)

If you retained 50%. Sure. Then teams buy the cap space for the next 2.25 seasons.

A PP2 QB that sucks defensively and turns the puck over a ton isn’t what most playoff teams go shopping for at the deadline. Esp one with 2+ years of term on his contract.

Mike Matheson plays a lot for the Habs because your Dcore is young and terrible. But most other teams don’t need this type of player in their middle pair in playoff matchups. And he’s way too expensive for a bottom pair level player.

None of you can tell us which team needs a Matheson and certainly none of you can tell me why he’s more valued than rentals like Tanev and Hanifin where you’re not running the risk of buying a contract with term.

 

[Bouboumaster]

If you retained 50%. Sure. Then teams buy the cap space for the next 2.25 seasons.

A PP2 QB that sucks defensively and turns the puck over a ton isn’t what most playoff teams go shopping for at the deadline. Esp one with 2+ years of term on his contract.

Mike Matheson plays a lot for the Habs because your Dcore is young and terrible. But most other teams don’t need this type of player in their middle pair in playoff matchups. And he’s way too expensive for a bottom pair level player.

None of you can tell us which team needs a Matheson and certainly none of you can tell me why he’s more valued than rentals like Tanev and Hanifin where you’re not running the risk of buying a contract with term.

The main knock back on Matheson is that he's a LHD but I could see a contenter paying a premium for him if their's was to get hurt

 

[Gurglesons]

The main knock back on Matheson is that he's a LHD but I could see a contenter paying a premium for him if their's was to get hurt

Why would any contender pay a premium for Mike Matheson?

Erik Karlsson just literally got moved for nothing.

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Noah Dobson is right behind Mile Matheson, is Dobson also a defensive liability? I wonder why Matheson gets so much PK time when everyone else on the Habs (according to this chart) would be a better defensive option? Could it be that Mike Matheson has a lot of turnovers because he plays a lot of minutes, much like the other guys on this list?

I don't think most fans would say he is good defensively.

 

[McJedi]

The main knock back on Matheson is that he's a LHD but I could see a contender paying a premium for him if their's was to get hurt

Instead of the word premium, just use the thought a contender would put Matheson on their radar to acquire him if they had an injury to a PP QB and that player was LTIR.

But Matheson has 2 more years of term on his deal. If he does get traded, assume it's during the off-season when GMs have time and some cap space to play with. And also assume Montreal is taking back a contract you aren't going to love in that off-season trade scenario.

And whomever thought to put Dobson and Matheson in the same sentence needs to put down the super crack. One guy is one of the more valuable young defenders in the NHL and the other guy might no have any market at his current AAV with his unique skill set not lining up with the needs of playoff contenders ususally seeking more size and defensive bite in the defenders they are trying to lock up.

Post covid examples of TDL deals for defensive defenders are guys like Josh Manson, Chiarot, Savard, Ekholm where the compensation was high.

On the other hand, Klingberg was acquired for a 4th round pick. He's a bit like Matheson. Shayne Gostisbehere got a 3rd round pick 3 drafts away from his trade (another offensive D man). Luke Schenn returned a better 3rd rounder much sooner and he's nothing like Matheson, but is a poor man's Manson.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Why would any contender pay a premium for Mike Matheson?

Erik Karlsson just literally got moved for nothing.



I don't think most fans would say he is good defensively.

Instead of the word premium, just use the thought a contender would put Matheson on their radar to acquire him if they had an injury to a PP QB and that player was LTIR.

But Matheson has 2 more years of term on his deal. If he does get traded, assume it's during the off-season when GMs have time and some cap space to play with. And also assume Montreal is taking back a contract you aren't going to love in that off-season trade scenario.

We told you that Ben Chiarot would get a first, and he got one

We told you that Monahan would get a first, and he got one

Matheson, if traded, would get a first, and even tho you might not agree with that, this is still a stone cold truth

 

[TT1]

Matheson would get much more than a 1st, thinking otherwise is just laughable. It's like when people were saying Lehkonen or Monahan weren't good players.

if u want a good laugh all you have to do is read this thread Value of: - Mike Matheson

 

[McJedi]

A few facts for you...he's not 30 something, he turns 30 tomorrow. He wasn't a bad contract given away, KH specifically asked for him, or no deal, and PITTS initially said no. He plays near 30 minutes a game, so you're bound to get a few goals scored when you're on the ice. Facts are a good thing when trying to be the smartest guy on the room...but failing at it.

Again... please explain which bad defensive defenders have been moved for excellent compensation since covid.

I can show you several bad offensive Dman that have. Chiarot and Savard are two of them. Guys Habs fans know.

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But guys like Petry... given away. Matheson is much more Petry than Josh Manson.

We told you that Ben Chiarot would get a first, and he got one

We told you that Monahan would get a first, and he got one

Matheson, if traded, would get a first, and even tho you might not agree with that, this is still a stone cold truth

You told use Petry would return a 1st. He didn't get anything.
You told us Domi would fetch a top 10 pick. He was given away + 3rd rounder for Josh Anderson (ouch).
You told us Tatar was worth a haul. He wasn't
You told us Drouin was worth something. He wasn't.
You told us Price has huge value. He didn't.
You told us Anderson is worth something. He isn't.
And last TDL, you told us Monahan was worth something. He didn't get traded.

Lots of misses by the Habs fan base. Many many misses.

But a guy like Kulak did have value at the deadline? Why... he's known for his defense. Is Matheson known for his defense? Nope.

Matheson is probably negative value contract. And when he is traded, it will be for a bad contract like Kevin Hayes.

 

[AustonMarner]

Is Tyson Barrie still looking to be traded? That was in the news a couple of months ago.

That guy did way too much cocaine and ruined his career basically doubt any team wants him badly...

 

[Essenege]

I feel like if Matheson is playing 24-25 minutes for your team, your team is very likely bad.

I feel like he's firmly a 2nd pair puck mover on a good team. Put him with a good DFD on the 2nd pair and his impact in the transition game and in the offense zone will be great. If you ask him to be more than that, you'll likely end up regretting it.

I think he's a very good but very flawed player. If you play him as a #3 with a partner who brings what he lacks, I think he's a great player for any team. Play him with a guy like Tanev on your 2nd pair and your 2nd pair would be terrific.

tough D to characterize. Offensively I’d argue he’s a top 10 to 15 D, he’s legit on a PP1. He’s top 10 in D points on a low-scoring team and so he doesn’t get loads of passive production.

Defensively he’s average to below average. He makes a lot of turnovers, but he also spends a lot of time with the puck so we need to account for that.

In a team with a strong defensive D but lacking offense he’s a tremendous add. Play him with a stay at home D (pairing doesn’t matter) and PP1, and reap the rewards.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Again... please explain which bad defensive defenders have been moved for excellent compensation since covid.

I can show you several bad offensive Dman that have. Chiarot and Savard are two of them. Guys Habs fans know.

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But guys like Petry... given away. Matheson is much more Petry than Josh Manson.


You told use Petry would return a 1st. He didn't get anything.
You told us Domi would fetch a top 10 pick. He was given away + 3rd rounder for Josh Anderson (ouch).
You told us Tatar was worth a haul. He wasn't
You told us Drouin was worth something. He wasn't.
You told us Price has huge value. He didn't.
You told us Anderson is worth something. He isn't.
And last TDL, you told us Monahan was worth something. He didn't get traded.

Lots of misses by the Habs fan base. Many of them.

Drouin stuff is lie. No fans of Montréal ever said that, ever.

Anderson was never on the market

You were proven wrong this year about Monahan

Price would have bring in a f***ing pirate for sure, had he been healthy, and more than likely, your own team would have been after him. You know it, I know it.

Tatar was benched during the 2021 playoffs, nobody was expecting anything. Again, this is a lie

Domi was traded for Anderson who at the time, was seen as a potential great Power forwar. It was a roll of dice

Point taken on Petry

We f***ed Up on Petry and arguably on Anderson, the rest is kind of bullshit man