Player Discussion Mike Matheson

Sorinth

Registered User
Jan 18, 2013
11,616
6,264
Brisebois 2.0
After tonight's game Matheson is sitting at 10 points in 13 games (63 point pace), and since the trade he has 44 points in 61 (59 point pace). Brisebois had a career high of 36 points (In 69 games). So yeah there are similarities in that they are both offensive D who are prone to making big gaffes and they play too many minutes. But it's a lot easier to live with Matheson's bad side since his production is so much better. It's also why Florida and arguably Pittsburgh traded him, his production just wasn't there to justify the mental lapses, whereas for us we can justify it.

Obviously the hope is that Guhle and/or Reinbacher can quickly move up the depth chart and take that #1 load off of Matheson which should help his effectiveness.
 

Scriptor

Registered User
Jan 1, 2014
7,898
4,875
Short term, we hope Guhle can replace Matheson in a 1st pairing role, dropping the veteran's ridiculous TOI totals to a more respectable 22 minutes or so, including special team minutes on the PK and the PP.

How long before Hutson pushes for an NHL spot?

If Hutson comes up and plays in Laval next season, for example, we should still see Matheson in a 1st pairing role, IMO. That would be throughout his next to last season on his current contract.

In Matheson's last season, Hutson should be starting in Montreal, likely as a 3rd pairing D with sheltered minutes involving O-zone starts and a PP role.

That year, Guhle should be the first pairing D with Reinbacher as a shutdown pairing partner that provided offensive upside at the same time. Savard would already be out of the picture the year before.

Hopefully, Mailloux would be ready to make a case for himself in the NHL, firsts a depth D, but with an increasing role if he can run with it when he sees ice time.

In three years:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj
Harris, Mailloux, Kovacevic

By trade deadline that year, or the year before,Hughes will likely have made or make a move involving moving a D.

It could be Matheson who would have built a value with his offensive production by then,or he might actually be re-signed as a veteran presence by Hughes, especially since Matheson can play both sides and be a stabilizing element to the young D-Corps.

Then, it could be Barron, with Mailloux in the wings who can also play an offensive role.

It could be Mailloux, but one would hope he had played enough and well at theNHL levelly then to raise his trade value beyond just potential.
 

26Mats

Registered User
Jun 23, 2018
33,443
25,814
I meant this season

Yeah, many are speculating Hutson will join the Habs in April...

I'm hoping Matheson's recent horrendous play was injury related. Since he's been with us, he's scored at a 60+ points over 82 games pace. It would be nice for him to hit 60 points this year playing D. Would be nice to have that kind of dman on our team. And, we're going to have to move many LD's. If he's one of them, that will help his trade value.
 

Sorinth

Registered User
Jan 18, 2013
11,616
6,264
Short term, we hope Guhle can replace Matheson in a 1st pairing role, dropping the veteran's ridiculous TOI totals to a more respectable 22 minutes or so, including special team minutes on the PK and the PP.

How long before Hutson pushes for an NHL spot?

If Hutson comes up and plays in Laval next season, for example, we should still see Matheson in a 1st pairing role, IMO. That would be throughout his next to last season on his current contract.

In Matheson's last season, Hutson should be starting in Montreal, likely as a 3rd pairing D with sheltered minutes involving O-zone starts and a PP role.

That year, Guhle should be the first pairing D with Reinbacher as a shutdown pairing partner that provided offensive upside at the same time. Savard would already be out of the picture the year before.

Hopefully, Mailloux would be ready to make a case for himself in the NHL, firsts a depth D, but with an increasing role if he can run with it when he sees ice time.

In three years:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj
Harris, Mailloux, Kovacevic

By trade deadline that year, or the year before,Hughes will likely have made or make a move involving moving a D.

It could be Matheson who would have built a value with his offensive production by then,or he might actually be re-signed as a veteran presence by Hughes, especially since Matheson can play both sides and be a stabilizing element to the young D-Corps.

Then, it could be Barron, with Mailloux in the wings who can also play an offensive role.

It could be Mailloux, but one would hope he had played enough and well at theNHL levelly then to raise his trade value beyond just potential.
In all honesty it's way too hard to predict right now. Even a guy like Xhekaj has all the tools to end up a top pairing guy as he's way more skilled then people give him credit for. But it's also possible he never ends up more then a 3rd pairing guy. Harris might be that top-4 guy who you never notice because they just reliably move the puck up the ice, or he might be a journeyman who never plays with a team for more then a couple seasons. In 2-3 years if all goes well Engstrom and Strubble will likely also be making a case for NHL playing time.

Although a bunch of guys who are good enough is one of those "nice problems to have", it still requires a certain amount of finesse from management as you can't just constantly rotate them up and down or in and out of the lineup based on whose hot in the moment as that hurts everyone's confidence.
 

Frankenheimer

Sir, this is an Arber
Feb 22, 2009
4,014
1,892
MTL
Dont get me wrong , Matheson hasn't been great out there
Obviously overplayed, and way too much inexplicable PK time

But it's so funny to see he is at 10 pts in 13 games tho :laugh:

What's funny is the extremes this thread takes from game to game. He'll get another couple of points in a game or two and nobody will trade him for Draisaitl. A real emotional bunch.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bopeep and Redux91

A55P2

Registered User
Jul 14, 2009
2,336
2,402
Québec, Québec
It's still very early in the season too. He was much better defensively last year. There's a chance his play gets back to that level + the great offense he provides.
 

Jaynki

Registered User
Feb 3, 2014
5,870
6,049
Should try Matheson on the wing. Habs deep on left D. Short on offense wingers
Or that may be where Hutson wins up.

So we have a defenseman who is skating like the wind and whos pacing for 60 points since being here.

Another one who is breaking offensive record and ankles in the NCAA.

Although i recognise the defensive concerns, I would argue we should let them transit the puck instead of having them on the wing. Kinda let them play in their strenght and what makes them strong player in the firstt place.
 
  • Like
Reactions: NORiculous

26Mats

Registered User
Jun 23, 2018
33,443
25,814
So we have a defenseman who is skating like the wind and whos pacing for 60 points since being here.

Another one who is breaking offensive record and ankles in the NCAA.

Although i recognise the defensive concerns, I would argue we should let them transit the puck instead of having them on the wing. Kinda let them play in their strenght and what makes them strong player in the firstt place.
I don't put Matheson at forward.

As for Hutson, what records he's breaking offensively in the NCAA are irrelevant to whether he can defend in the NHL. Very few dmen his size can defend in the NHL. Very few. But yes, he will and should be given every opportunity to learn how to. But if he can't, he can't.
 

Jaynki

Registered User
Feb 3, 2014
5,870
6,049
As for Hutson, what records he's breaking offensively in the NCAA are irrelevant to whether he can defend in the NHL. Very few dmen his size can defend in the NHL. Very few. But yes, he will and should be given every opportunity to learn how to. But if he can't, he can't.

Well i don't disagree but i will also happily live with his defensive deficiencies he is running the puck and the offense.

Personally, i don't care about Hutson size and woes. To me, its all about what he does with the puck.

If its to big of a problem or not a profitable risk/benefits scenario then we should re-evaluate but until then, give him soft minutes 5on5 but prime offensive minutes and pp time.
 

JianYang

Registered User
Sep 29, 2017
19,595
19,032
Patrice matheson had an awful game against Boston.... Then he pulls an "out of your seat" move in OT.
 

ChesterNimitz

governed by the principle of calculated risk
Jul 4, 2002
5,875
12,787
Short term, we hope Guhle can replace Matheson in a 1st pairing role, dropping the veteran's ridiculous TOI totals to a more respectable 22 minutes or so, including special team minutes on the PK and the PP.

How long before Hutson pushes for an NHL spot?

If Hutson comes up and plays in Laval next season, for example, we should still see Matheson in a 1st pairing role, IMO. That would be throughout his next to last season on his current contract.

In Matheson's last season, Hutson should be starting in Montreal, likely as a 3rd pairing D with sheltered minutes involving O-zone starts and a PP role.

That year, Guhle should be the first pairing D with Reinbacher as a shutdown pairing partner that provided offensive upside at the same time. Savard would already be out of the picture the year before.

Hopefully, Mailloux would be ready to make a case for himself in the NHL, firsts a depth D, but with an increasing role if he can run with it when he sees ice time.

In three years:

Guhle - Reinbacher
Matheson - Barron
Hutson - Xhekaj
Harris, Mailloux, Kovacevic

By trade deadline that year, or the year before,Hughes will likely have made or make a move involving moving a D.

It could be Matheson who would have built a value with his offensive production by then,or he might actually be re-signed as a veteran presence by Hughes, especially since Matheson can play both sides and be a stabilizing element to the young D-Corps.

Then, it could be Barron, with Mailloux in the wings who can also play an offensive role.

It could be Mailloux, but one would hope he had played enough and well at theNHL levelly then to raise his trade value beyond just potential.
I wouldn't sell Engstrom short. After watching his level of play early this year, I suspect he may well push to make the team before Mailloux. And as most know, I'm a fan of Mailloux. As opposed to Norlinder, I believe Engstrom is the real deal.
 

Skip Bayless

The Skip Bayless Show
Aug 28, 2014
21,991
25,920
In a way, I actually respect how he doesn’t give two f***s about the defensive end and doesn’t pretend to do so.

While everything around him is crumbling, he’s like “It is what it is dawg”.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: CristianoRonaldo

Saku K

AKA Saku K.
Jul 28, 2002
1,587
157
3-Rivières, Québec
Visit site
I'm afraid for the Matheson detractors that he has done enough on the powerplay to be considered a #1 PP QB so far this season. He is ranked #5 league-wide as a defenseman and team leader (tied with Suzuki) with 15 powerplay points on the 22nd ranked powerplay.

However, he takes too many chances 5-on-5 for the results he creates which limits his value. He may have been 2nd power-play/#4 guy for his entire career but I woulkd upgrade him to #3 due to his success, so far, as a #1 PP QB. Obviously, he is ranked higher on the habs depth chart.
 

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad