Value of: Mike Matheson to Vancouver

[Qwijibo]

Did he have 3 x $3M extension back then? No? Ok

Not to mention he was riding an unsustainable shooting percebtsge at the time. His play has come back down to earth and any trade value he may have had went with it.

 

[Kennerback]

Matheson isn’t what the Canucks’ need and in no way is he worth a 1st+. Awful idea.

Canucks are already a good team. TBH, they need a group therapist to get their shit together more than they need Matheson or anyone else.

 

[Qwijibo]

Canucks are already a good team. TBH, they need a group therapist to get their shit together more than they need Matheson or anyone else.

Canucks ARE a good team as a whole. But that defense past Hughes (and Hronek when he's healthy) is a real dogs breakfast.

 

[Kennerback]

Canucks ARE a good team as a whole. But that defense past Hughes (and Hronek when he's healthy) is a real dogs breakfast.

Matheson would add offense from the back end. But Canucks already have the guns They’re just not firing at the level they should be. The team needs a big bucket of ice water to wake up.

 

[jfhabs]

are you taking habs fan out for dinner before screwing us?

62 pts last year, on pace for 50 this year.
Overplayed as a no 1 or 2 but an excellent 2nd pairing dman
with elite skating, some grit - but sometimes questionable hockey sense...
but he's a hab so obviously he has very little worth to the usual crowd.

Heard to same with Toffoli, Lehkonen, Chiarot, Kulak, Monahan, Allen, etc. Crickets passed the TDL

 

[RationalExpectations]

Matheson would add offense from the back end. But Canucks already have the guns They’re just not firing at the level they should be. The team needs a big bucket of ice water to wake up.

Canucks don t have any puck mover behind Hughes. Add Hronek injury and you end up with Myers Soucy Juulsen Forbort Brannstorm behind Hughes…

Matheson would help them keep the puck in the Ozone more than they do today in my opinion.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Matheson isn't getting moved this season, and it will take a 1st+ to get him when/if he gets traded

 

[mrinsane]

Matheson is a #2-#3 d-man so the return would be a 1rst, b prospect and Desharnais who seems to be a cap dump at this point

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Yet he's still a Canuck despite his poor play, dwindling ice time and being a healthy scratch. Weird.

Yet, what I said remains true, weird.

Who the hell is wanting Hoglander unless it's a way to get more assets by taking on a potential cap dump?

Research is your friend. He isn't a capdump.

Did he have 3 x $3M extension back then? No? Ok

Did he put up 24 ES goals, getting no PP time just last year?

Pretty sure NHL GM's don't have the recency bias that people on HF seem to embrace.

 

[Qwijibo]

Yet, what I said remains true, weird.


Research is your friend. He isn't a capdump.


Did he put up 24 ES goals, getting no PP time just last year?

Pretty sure NHL GM's don't have the recency bias that people on HF seem to embrace.

Just ignore the fact that he scored those goals on a completely unrepeatable 20% shooting percentage. His play this year proves last year was a total outlier. They should have traded last year when his value was artificially high. Instead they gave him a contract that takes him close to the negative value realm

 

[elitepete]

Zero interest. Matheson is a bum defensively.

Matheson is a #2-#3 d-man so the return would be a 1rst, b prospect and Desharnais who seems to be a cap dump at this point

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Research is your friend. He isn't a capdump.

My bad. Teams are probably lining for a smaller player who has 2 goals on the season.

 

[canuckslover10]

Brannstrom-Myers
Soucy-Juulsen
Forbert-Desharnais

with Hughes and Hronek both out looks like the Canucks have to make a move especially if they start losing some games here and depending on how long Hughes is out for.

 

[Qwijibo]

Brannstrom-Myers
Soucy-Juulsen
Forbert-Desharnais

with Hughes and Hronek both out looks like the Canucks have to make a move especially if they start losing some games here and depending on how long Hughes is out for.

Losing Hronek for an extended period was bad enough. But having to fill the 26ish minutes a game that Hughes logs with the likes of Brannstrom or Myers is a recipe for disaster.

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Yes, he's garbage defensively and he has a negative I.Q but a GM will absolutely give us something close to a late 1st round pick in value, if it's your GM, you are in bad hands...

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

I see that there is a ton of the usual HF expertise on a player some have seen sporadically, if at all.

Math is paired with Hutson, who is arguably decent AHL level defensively and nothing more. SMarty stupidly simply refuses to pair Savard and Guhle with those two so they become the Adventure Duo.

Math is so "bad defensively" that he's on the first PK unit. He's pretty good defensivly when he's not given the green light to go nuts out, which SMarty has given him.

The issues is how SMarty overused him, actually abuses him because X can do the PK role. Instead of pairing him with Guhle and used 20 minutes a night, he's way overused and paired with our worst defensive defenseman.

Vancouver 1st is not enough and we have no need for Desharnaise or Hoglander. What we need is a youngish #2 RHD or 2C of which you have neither to spare or way too old. Going through the Canucks roster, there isn't much desirable and we have plenty of draft picks. Canucks is not a good trading partner for us so look elsewhere. AND we don't need to sell.

If someone is dragging that line down defensively, it's Mike, not Lane. MSL is clueless, that's why Matheson is on the PK.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Zero interest. Matheson is a bum defensively.

Fan of both teams, Matheson is clearly not a top 2 Dman but I think he would be a good addition to VAN on the second pair, he fills a need : puck moving behing Hughes for the next two years. I also think some structured system would help him.

 

[voyageur]

Rutherford traded for him before, wouldn't surrprise me if he did again. Matheson needs out of Montreal, the dog and one trick pony show.

No idea of what the cost would be. Canadiens can take Desharnais to replace Savard, that much seems obvious. Maybe Brisebois is included too, so that Canadiens can have some names from their gloried past.

 

[Qwijibo]

Rutherford traded for him before, wouldn't surrprise me if he did again. Matheson needs out of Montreal, the dog and one trick pony show.

No idea of what the cost would be. Canadiens can take Desharnais to replace Savard, that much seems obvious. Maybe Brisebois is included too, so that Canadiens can have some names from their gloried past.

Explain to me why Matheson needs out of Montreal? He play 24 minutes a night, wears an "A" and is a local boy. And no. Montreal doesn't want Vancouvers crap. Desharnais in no way replaces Savard, and Brisbois could have been had for free earlier in the season. They didn't take him because he's not better than any of the kids they already have in the lineup

 

[voyageur]

Explain to me why Matheson needs out of Montreal? He play 24 minutes a night, wears an "A" and is a local boy. And no. Montreal doesn't want Vancouvers crap. Desharnais in no way replaces Savard, and Brisbois could have been had for free earlier in the season. They didn't take him because he's not better than any of the kids they already have in the lineup

He seems like the fall guy, which is what any local player becomes if he struggles. Which is why quality homegrown talent seems more rarified than any other time in history. Desharnais was decent at killing penalties last year so he'd be at least replacement level for Savard, if he gets moved in the return, and Savard is traded down the road.

I honestly have no idea what direction your team is taking. Expensive underperforming vets. Young stars up front that haven't achieved their potential. Defense that can't find any chemistry. Goaltending that is average to below average.

How to become a contender is probably a topic of intense debate in Montreal.

 

[HabsAddict]

Desharnais toughness is not needed in Montreal. We got heavyweight X and 4 more like Desharnais. Struble, Guhle, Anderson and little Pezzetta. Mailman and Little X are sharpening their teeth in the AHL.

Skill wise he doesn't match Struble and he is currently making paper airplanes in the stands.

Your first is one of 2 we have that likely higher picks.

Hoglander is too small and we already have two high end small guys.

It isn't about trading Matheson, it's about Canucks have nothing we really need.

 

[David71]

Brannstrom-Myers
Soucy-Juulsen
Forbert-Desharnais

with Hughes and Hronek both out looks like the Canucks have to make a move especially if they start losing some games here and depending on how long Hughes is out for.

yikes. almost on dave nonis level of god awful.

 

[Benstheman]

Brannstrom-Myers
Soucy-Juulsen
Forbert-Desharnais

with Hughes and Hronek both out looks like the Canucks have to make a move especially if they start losing some games here and depending on how long Hughes is out for.

Hughes is injured? What happened? I hope it is not long term…

 

[Qwijibo]

Hughes is injured? What happened? I hope it is not long term…

Hes just listed as doubtful for tonight. Probably not too serious. That said he's probably playing too many minutes right now and an injury was probably inevitable.