Mike Hoffman

[coladin]

2 excellent games in his young career, how could there not be doubt? I am more inclined to give him more rope than , say, Greening because he has earned that from fans who have a whole lot of doubt. We need his speed in the lineup, I just hope he can just go play and think less.

 

[Samsquanch]

I no longer doubt his ability to play in the league. Whether or not he becomes a solid contributor is another story.

Regardless he's impressed me enough to put himself firmly above greening and condra on the depth chart in my books.

 

[Xspyrit]

I admit I never had a ton of faith in Hoffman (to be more than a Ryan Shannon) but this guy is making me having doubts now. He could make me wrong and absolutely no problem with that

But there's still many guys who will need a spot point (Prince, Pageau, Puempel, Schneider, Robinson, Paul, etc). Here's hoping for another quantity for quality a la Bobby Ryan type of trade. We have two 2nds this year...

Gryba + Greening + 2nd could get us an upgrade in the line-up, not a huge one but would like a more solid Right Defenseman like Petry (who is UFA at the end of the year and shouldn't have much more value than that)

Or a package with more value (Wiercioch + Prince + 2nd) could get us a solid asset.

NOTE : don't be so quick to say that Greening is a scrub and Hoffman a superstar (I also prefer Hoffman by a fair margin). Need to see Hoffman outproduce Greening in his first 3 years....

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm all for trading Greening but I think if that were a possibility, it would have been done by now. I'm not even a Greening hater, I just think he's easily replaceable yet he carries a hefty price tag and I just don't see gm's lining up for that kind of player.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Yeah Greening isn't going anywhere

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

It would have to be a team with a fair amount of cap room and money to blow. Maybe an Edmonton or Buffalo or Calgary.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

No one likes wasting money

If a team takes on Greening it will be on the condition that we scratch their back

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

No one likes wasting money

If a team takes on Greening it will be on the condition that we scratch their back

agreed

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

No one likes wasting money

If a team takes on Greening it will be on the condition that we scratch their back

I think if we kept salary he could find a home.

I just posted this in another thread but if we were to keep him this year and buy out in the summer we only get to save about $1.8MM of the $8MM he's owed over the next 3 years. So we could keep 50% of his salary and it would still be saving money.

Greening at 1.3MM is not a terrible player, could help a team that needs a bit more of a veteran presence in their bottom six

 

[jbeck5]

I admit I never had a ton of faith in Hoffman (to be more than a Ryan Shannon) but this guy is making me having doubts now. He could make me wrong and absolutely no problem with that

But there's still many guys who will need a spot point (Prince, Pageau, Puempel, Schneider, Robinson, Paul, etc). Here's hoping for another quantity for quality a la Bobby Ryan type of trade. We have two 2nds this year...

Gryba + Greening + 2nd could get us an upgrade in the line-up, not a huge one but would like a more solid Right Defenseman like Petry (who is UFA at the end of the year and shouldn't have much more value than that)

Or a package with more value (Wiercioch + Prince + 2nd) could get us a solid asset.

NOTE : don't be so quick to say that Greening is a scrub and Hoffman a superstar (I also prefer Hoffman by a fair margin). Need to see Hoffman outproduce Greening in his first 3 years....

Who would want greening and gryba? I doubt you could get a 7th for them. Put yourselves in the other teams shoes. I don't want gryba or greening on Ottawa. If im any other team, why would I then change my mind?

 

[Sensinitis]

Keep Gryba as a 7D. Get rid of Greening by any means necessary.

 

[jbeck5]

Keep Gryba as a 7D. Get rid of Greening by any means necessary.

I agree with this.

I find gryba is too slow, and we have enough d like him ahead of him in the depth chart that he shouldn't play a regular shift. That being said, he's solid and safe and good for that 7th-8th spot. I wish he played more physical like he did a couple years ago. That eller hit seemed to ruin his physical play.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Gryba is safe until we find someone else to play the right side. We only have 3 guys on the roster that play RD.

 

[jbeck5]

Gryba is safe until we find someone else to play the right side. We only have 3 guys on the roster that play RD.

Have we tried any LD on the right side? Just curious.

 

[Bileur]

Have we tried any LD on the right side? Just curious.

Phillips, Methot, Wiercioch and Borowiecki have all had shifts/games at RD in the past and we not very good. I don't know about Cowen.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Have we tried any LD on the right side? Just curious.

It's been tried sparingly. I could be wrong on this, but I thought I remember hearing Maclean or Murray saying that Maclean always wants Dmen on their proper side. He even seems reluctant to switch it up with the wingers as far as I can tell.

 

[jbeck5]

Oh ok, thanks guys. Cuz I wouldn't mind putting cowen in grybas spot for a game, but what do I know.

 

[Xspyrit]

Who would want greening and gryba? I doubt you could get a 7th for them. Put yourselves in the other teams shoes. I don't want gryba or greening on Ottawa. If im any other team, why would I then change my mind?

Greening at 2.65 is a tough sell but let's stop acting like the Sens are the only team with overpaid players and that Greening is overpaid by several millions a year...

For example, package Greening and Gryba (3.85 per season but for TWO roster spots, 3 years for Greening and 2 years for Gryba) and get only one player back at something like 3.0-4.0, for example Chris Kelly (3.0 x 2) (not saying that would happen because the Bruins are up against the cap)

Gryba is a cheap serviceable 6th/7th D-man, it doesn't look pretty on the ice at times but he has very decent defensive stats and only makes 1.2 a year. Thing is Ottawa has Borowiecki, Phillips, Claesson and many more who play or could play that shutdown bottom-pair role. Gryba is a RD but we have Alex Grant and Chris Wideman in Bingo who could bring another dimension to the team. I think Wideman is NHL ready and wouldn't mind having him there as a stop gap.

There's so many options and a guy like Gryba is certainly moveable if he fits a need (physical shutdown 6th/7th Dman who is safe in his own zone, despite how he looks at times), Greening it would depend (you can retain salary, you can give a mid-round pick attached to him or get a player NOT NEEDED by the other team with a bigger salary...).

 

[God Says No]

Actually, I would like to see how Wideman would do up with the big club. He could be an interesting option if we need a PMD. I see him sort of our version of Torey Krug.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'd rather package Greening with Weircioch but I like the way you think Xspyrit

 

[HSF]

I have my doubts but he looked good last game

 

[jbeck5]

Greening at 2.65 is a tough sell but let's stop acting like the Sens are the only team with overpaid players and that Greening is overpaid by several millions a year...

For example, package Greening and Gryba (3.85 per season but for TWO roster spots, 3 years for Greening and 2 years for Gryba) and get only one player back at something like 3.0-4.0, for example Chris Kelly (3.0 x 2) (not saying that would happen because the Bruins are up against the cap)

Gryba is a cheap serviceable 6th/7th D-man, it doesn't look pretty on the ice at times but he has very decent defensive stats and only makes 1.2 a year. Thing is Ottawa has Borowiecki, Phillips, Claesson and many more who play or could play that shutdown bottom-pair role. Gryba is a RD but we have Alex Grant and Chris Wideman in Bingo who could bring another dimension to the team. I think Wideman is NHL ready and wouldn't mind having him there as a stop gap.

There's so many options and a guy like Gryba is certainly moveable if he fits a need (physical shutdown 6th/7th Dman who is safe in his own zone, despite how he looks at times), Greening it would depend (you can retain salary, you can give a mid-round pick attached to him or get a player NOT NEEDED by the other team with a bigger salary...).

I know why WE would want to trade them. But why would other teams want to trade for them?

 

[Xspyrit]

I know why WE would want to trade them. But why would other teams want to trade for them?

So you want me to state the obvious?

..and a guy like Gryba is certainly moveable if he fits a need

This is not a PlayStation game... There is a salary cap, teams have a limited amount of budget dollars destined to roster players and there is also a limited amount of NHL talent to fill 23 roster spots for 30 NHL teams... Let's stop thinking that teams have 23 Stamkos in their line-up.

Players like Gryba and Greening can play in the NHL and fill a role, like they did in the past. Gryba is not the prettiest D-man but he is efficient at his job, a big body who plays physical (while not mean, it's two different things) and plays it safe. Greening has a big body, great speed and is good on the forecheck. Depending on his linemates, he can contribute offensively as well. If he was paid 1.6 per season, he would be viewed as a great bottom-6 player.

So Greening with some retained salary would certainly find takers as well; or like I said if you take back a player with a significant salary in return. Just depends on NEEDS and TIMINGS of the teams involved...

 

[BigBush*]

I know why WE would want to trade them. But why would other teams want to trade for them?

they wouldn't (at least not on their own). All organizations have guys like Gryba and Greening who they are willing to give a shot rather than give up assets for

 

[Bob Kudelski]

It's obvious that Greening and Condra should go at this point.

Condra could return a late pick.

Greening is a tough sell.. no idea what will happen there.

Gryba on the other hand is a solid bottom pairing guy that I would be in no rush to move. That being said, Boro-cop can replace him, so why not trade Gryba for a late pick or something. Then when everyone is healthy (including Methot) you can rotate Boro-cop and Wiercioch in and out of the line-up as needed.

I don't think Wideman is an NHL player. His offensive skills aren't high enough to make up for his physical deficiencies.