Mike Bossy vs Pavel Bure who's the better goal scorer all time?

[MadLuke]

Doesn't hockey reference essentially come that that same per-game conclusion?

Would a bit complicated to know with the schedule moving around, there 80 games season, 48 games season in there, without some effort if you look at their numbers, 94-95 was Bure best year in that regard.

I am not 100% sure Bossy season are boosted to 82 games for his goals but they keep 80 games played i think, so we would need to manually calculate what is going on.

Perhaps you are conflating adjusted stats (factoring in the scoring environment) with extrapolations for missed games (pretending a player had a characteristic that they did not have), but that is a mistake.

If the conversation is about who was better to put the puck in the net during a game you do not need to extrapolate for missed game.

Put it that way, are you certain Ovechkin score more than 11 goals if he was playing on team Canada 1987 instead of him ?

 

[Midnight Judges]

Would a bit complicated to know with the schedule moving around, there 80 games season, 48 games season in there, without some effort if you look at their numbers, 94-95 was Bure best year in that regard.

I don't think that's going to be all that significant of a difference.

I am not 100% sure Bossy season are boosted to 82 games for his goals but they keep 80 games played i think, so we would need to manually calculate what is going on.

Again, you're talking about a 2.5% difference. At that point our precision is exceeding our accuracy.

Regardless, the hockey reference equation (IIRC) is supposed to factor in games per season and equate to a standard of 82.

 

[MadLuke]

Again, you're talking about a 2.5% difference. At that point our precision is exceeding our accuracy.

coming from someone that use 72 > 71 to say Ovechkin peak season > Lemieux peak season that rich.

yes for the 82->80, but for a lockout season that start to get big (for player with really short career).

Regardless, the hockey reference equation (IIRC) is supposed to factor in games per season and equate to a standard of 82.

Yes that what make complicated using their result per game, you need to refactor back, Weiland scored 70 adjusted goals in 44 games in 1930, they mean a 70 goals in a 82 game season. It get a bit complicated for Bossy-Bure when season game change during their career, I am sure it is close looking at it, which keep the Bossy vs Bure alive, and put the answer it is close, Bossy had more the chance to do it and did it, so all time he is obviously the higher scorer, who was better at scoring goal, pick the one you like, Bure as a really good argument to be the best ever at it.

or an other way to say it, no way the Islanders trade Bossy for Bure (that a cheap shot considering the 4 cups, they probably do not trade him for Jagr either...., so meaningless here) and the 1994 Canucks keep Bure.

 

[Midnight Judges]

coming from someone that use 72 > 71 to say Ovechkin peak season > Lemieux peak season that rich.

If you want to call that a draw, I'm fine with it. I think I said that before too.

 

[Gorskyontario]

If you want to call that a draw, I'm fine with it. I think I said that before too.

I'm of the opinion that madluke was proven right, infact.

 

[Killswitch]

If I was putting together a team I'd want Bossy. If I wanted to be entertained I'd want Bure.

 

[authentic]

That's still super high ice time for a forward, thanks for looking it up.

No different then Jagr played some years, Gretzky and Lemieux averaged more ice time than Bure on a regular basis.

 

[Gorskyontario]

No different then Jagr played some years, Gretzky and Lemieux averaged more ice time than Bure on a regular basis.

Those guys were all way better than Bure and dominated the play more.

 

[MadLuke]

Are we debating if those Panthers team would have been better if Bure played less ? Or is there any other time that Bure played a special amount of minutes ?

https://www.hockey-reference.com/leagues/NHL_1998_skaters.html#stats::points

Bure is exactly in line with your typical top 20 pts forward, otherwise no ?

 

[67 others]

Scroll down to the "miscellaneous" table and look under "adjusted."

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Bure has 7 seasons that exceed adjusted 34 goals. His 60 goal 1993 season adjusts to 49.

Adjusted stats are just hypothetical pencil guesswork designed to demean older generations lol

The truth is nobody had any idea how superstar players might adjust for era. Bossy was so good my guess is he adjusts just fine and still tears up goalscoring

 

[MadLuke]

Adjusted stats are just hypothetical pencil guesswork designed to demean older generations lol

Not really sure of that premise, as the older generation that played in 4x-50-70 games season in a very low scoring NHL could benefit from some adjusted stats,

Of the top 50 leaders in non-adjusted goals, 9 started to play before 1970, adjusted you go up to 11.

Howe get a boost over a recent generation like Gretzky, Richard goes from #33 to #11.

 

[Run the Gauntlet]

Do you realize Bossy is winning the poll 52-13? lol

The poll is subjective, people tend to vote on emotion not on facts.
If you look at HR stats they are almost even in ability. Also, Bure played in a more advanced league than Bossy, with lesser teammates.
I will go with Bure on this one.

 

[MadLuke]

with lesser teammates.

That true and fair (specially when people point out playoff volume difference)

But as a note, Bossy was still scoring 60 goals-120 pts by the tail end of isles being the powerhouse:

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They had a average offense that year.

Potvin was still good in 86, but nothing special, about to retire and got 0 Norris vote.
Trottier was still good, but nothing special has first liner goes anymore.

Bossy pretty much exactly same shooting percentage, shoot volume and same goal scored versus when both were superstar.