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I’ve yet to hear them explain why they’ll listen to Babcock but didn’t listen when it was Tippett or McLellan. And I guess Woody and Knobby were just nobodies who were telling them to stop playing defence.
As a coach, it's pretty tough to get mad at McDrai for not playing defense when you've also set up your roster so they're expected to provide 90% of the offense on the team.

Both Woody and Knob were clinging onto McDrai for dear life. They played them for half the game. It was basically the only thing keeping them employed. There's no avenue for accountability when that's happening.
 
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Davo and Leon playing together?!?!

Stan mentioned it also???? hmm

I wish they would just stick with whatever they decide. At this point they want to play together, so I would just play them together. But RNH isn’t really a 2C especially with the wingers we have so I don’t know. Bowman should of been using assets to get a C if that was the case.
 
As a coach, it's pretty tough to get mad at McDrai for not playing defense when you've also set up your roster so they're expected to provide 90% of the offense on the team.

Both Woody and Knob were clinging onto McDrai for dear life. They played them for half the game. It was basically the only thing keeping them employed. There's no avenue for accountability when that's happening.
And Jon Cooper relied on McDavid during the Olympics when he got overplayed there

Every single coach hasn’t learned how to properly utilize McDavid and Draisaitl
 
This what some people don’t get.

We cycled through a few different bottom 6 players and the results were always the same due to coaching.
That's not true. The previous two seasons the Oilers had a bottom six that filled roles. First cup run they had guys that contributed to an elite PK, and could at least keep up at even strength even if they weren't scoring. Second run they got really good production from the bottom six at even strength.

This year's bottom six was way, way, worse. It was a collection of players that couldn't fill a defensive role, but also couldn't contribute offensively without a catalyst on their line.

This was opening night:

Line 3: Vasily Podkolzin – Noah Philp – Kasperi Kapanen
Line 4: Isaac Howard – Adam Henrique – David Tomasek

That is league's below, especially considering that Kapanen and Podkolzin both had to fill top six roles by the end of the year.

Here's game 41:

Line 3: Mattias Janmark – Jack Roslovic – Matthew Savoie
Line 4: Max Jones – Adam Henrique – Trent Frederic

That's a joke. Then you throw in guys like Mangiapane and Curtis Lazar. That's a massive step down from players like Connor Brown, Warren Foegele, Corey Perry, Evander Kane, Holloway to some degree even though he wasn't here for long, Ryan McLeod, Arvidsson was pretty solid in that role as well.

Not to mention that last year's forward group included a number of guys that actively dragged down their lines defensively (particularly Mangiapane and Frederic, but I think you can include Roslovic in this too). Evander Kane was probably the closest thing to that on the previous teams, and even he found a way to get decent results. Everyone else at least knew what they were doing in their own end.
 
As a coach, it's pretty tough to get mad at McDrai for not playing defense when you've also set up your roster so they're expected to provide 90% of the offense on the team.

Both Woody and Knob were clinging onto McDrai for dear life. They played them for half the game. It was basically the only thing keeping them employed. There's no avenue for accountability when that's happening.
Woodcroft had them playing about 21 minutes a night his last year here. Not surprising that their minutes tend to shoot up when the team is getting worse results.
 
I think there is a real shot Leon is a Selke finalist this year if Babcock comes as (self) advertised. Leon has mentioned wanting it and he has the ability 80% of the time, and if Babcock can keep him locked in the remaining 20%, I think it might happen.
 
That's not true. The previous two seasons the Oilers had a bottom six that filled roles. First cup run they had guys that contributed to an elite PK, and could at least keep up at even strength even if they weren't scoring. Second run they got really good production from the bottom six at even strength.

This year's bottom six was way, way, worse. It was a collection of players that couldn't fill a defensive role, but also couldn't contribute offensively without a catalyst on their line.

This was opening night:

Line 3: Vasily Podkolzin – Noah Philp – Kasperi Kapanen
Line 4: Isaac Howard – Adam Henrique – David Tomasek

That is league's below, especially considering that Kapanen and Podkolzin both had to fill top six roles by the end of the year.

Here's game 41:

Line 3: Mattias Janmark – Jack Roslovic – Matthew Savoie
Line 4: Max Jones – Adam Henrique – Trent Frederic

That's a joke. Then you throw in guys like Mangiapane and Curtis Lazar. That's a massive step down from players like Connor Brown, Warren Foegele, Corey Perry, Evander Kane, Holloway to some degree even though he wasn't here for long, Ryan McLeod, Arvidsson was pretty solid in that role as well.

Not to mention that last year's forward group included a number of guys that actively dragged down their lines defensively (particularly Mangiapane and Frederic, but I think you can include Roslovic in this too). Evander Kane was probably the closest thing to that on the previous teams, and even he found a way to get decent results. Everyone else at least knew what they were doing in their own end.
That's just a list of players that played a bunch of top6 minutes and only ever scored while in that top6.
 
The days of McDrai playing 30 minutes a night while the rest of the roster gets killed will be over when Bowman brings in players that don't get absolutely murdered unless they're on the ice with McDavid or Draisaitl.

I honestly don't know what people expected Knoblauch to do with this roster last season. You had a third line that was generally made up of three soft offence-first players, and a fourth line of basically AHL players for most of the season. Giving those guys more minutes wasn't going to do shit.

Also, just for the record, it's not like McDavid actually plays 24+ minutes a night or anything. He plays about 22 minutes a night. In the playoffs it jumps up.

Bring in a bottom six that is worth a damn, and McDavid will play 20 minutes a night, because the team is winning lots of games. If you keep running out a bottom six that gives everything back that McDavid/Draisaitl gain, then we're going to keep seeing them trotted out there for the last 5 minutes of a game/full 2 minute PPs, because they're our only chance to win.
There's a reason why every single coach we've had ends up doing this.
 
That's just a list of players that played a bunch of top6 minutes and only ever scored while in that top6.
I'll have to dive into the stats but I would wager that their possession metrics were significantly better than last year's group of bottom six guys. And those teams didn't require McDavid and Draisaitl to kill penalties either.
 
I'll have to dive into the stats but I would wager that their possession metrics were significantly better than last year's group of bottom six guys. And those teams didn't require McDavid and Draisaitl to kill penalties either.
Five of the top six PKing forwards in TOI from 24/25 were on the team last year. They added Savoie to the group who averaged more PK time per game than everyone in 24/25 other than RNH.

There was no requirement for them to PK. The coach chose to do that.
 
Oilers at Even strength with neither of 29 and/or 97 on the ice:

23-24: 0
24-25: -22
25-26: -36

I just don't understand how people can look at this and conclude that the problem was the coach putting McDavid on the penalty kill.
 
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Oilers at Even strength with neither of 29 and/or 97 on the ice:

23-24: 0
24-25: -22
25-26: -36

I just don't understand how people can look at this and conclude that the problem was the coach putting McDavid on the penalty kill.
I'm sure Trent frederic will definitely turn it around this year though...
 
Oilers at Even strength with neither of 29 and/or 97 on the ice:

23-24: 0
24-25: -22
25-26: -36

I just don't understand how people can look at this and conclude that the problem was the coach putting McDavid on the penalty kill.
Also love the “bottom 6 just need more minutes” narrative
Tough to give minutes to plugs who constantly get outscored
 
Oilers at Even strength with neither of 29 and/or 97 on the ice:

23-24: 0
24-25: -22
25-26: -36

I just don't understand how people can look at this and conclude that the problem was the coach putting McDavid on the penalty kill.
Now do playoffs
 
Oilers at Even strength with neither of 29 and/or 97 on the ice:

23-24: 0
24-25: -22
25-26: -36

I just don't understand how people can look at this and conclude that the problem was the coach putting McDavid on the penalty kill.

A .957 PDO will do that.

They had a -5 xG differential at 5v5 last year.
 
Sure:

23-24: -8
24-25: +12
25-26: +3

If anyone wants to weigh the tiny sample over the large one they're free to do so. The real uncomfortable truth this data reveals is that McDrai kinda got owned by Barkov two years in a row and especially in 2025.
The context is the 2024-25 team never had a full lineup of forwards until the playoffs. Kane didn’t play a game among other injuries. Same with this year except the injuries hit us in the playoffs as well but game 1 the first 10 or so minutes before Henrique went down was the only time we iced our entire forward group.
 
Yep.

Show me a good goaltender and I'll show you a good coach.
That and if you're running a system where you skate circles around the boards in the offensive zone, your lower skill guys that rely on crashing the net probably aren't going to have a high shooting percentage.
 
The context is the 2024-25 team never had a full lineup of forwards until the playoffs. Kane didn’t play a game among other injuries. Same with this year except the injuries hit us in the playoffs as well but game 1 the first 10 or so minutes before Henrique went down was the only time we iced our entire forward group.

Not sure what the point of this post is other than maybe that the Oilers lost to the Ducks because their stars were not playing at 100% capacity.

Which is true but the bottom 6 slightly outscoring a pretty terrible Anaheim team in a 6 game sample doesn't mean anything.
 
Five of the top six PKing forwards in TOI from 24/25 were on the team last year. They added Savoie to the group who averaged more PK time per game than everyone in 24/25 other than RNH.

There was no requirement for them to PK. The coach chose to do that.
Three of those five are Janmark, Henrique, and Kapanen, all of which either missed significant time, or in the case of Henrique, regressed significantly year over year.

I will say, it's a joke that Frederic didn't kill this year, he needs to find a way to fill that role. No reason that he shouldn't be able to do it when he's fully healthy (if you accept that as an excuse).
 
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Three of those five are Janmark, Henrique, and Kapanen, all of which either missed significant time, or in the case of Henrique, regressed significantly year over year.

I will say, it's a joke that Frederic didn't kill this year, he needs to find a way to fill that role. No reason that he shouldn't be able to do it when he's fully healthy (if you accept that as an excuse).
Henrique's PK numbers didn't regress. They also added Dickinson for when he missed most of his time.

They had last year's #1 PKer(RNH), this year's #1 PKer(Savoie), they had Podz for 82 games, they had a mixture of Kapanen/Janmark/Samanski/Philp.

They never had to play McDrai on the PK. It was a choice. It was a coach doubling down even further on running them into the ground.
 
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