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Confirmed with Link: Michael Rasmussen signs three year extension

Gniwder said:
It's not hate, it's disappointment. There's a difference, just ask any Asian mom, lol.

Cholo on the other hand, there was definitely some hate there.
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They drafted him because his net front presents, for his hard work and leadership. He improve his skating, and defensive game, he play physical game, he could fight. And I wish the best Cholowski,
 
Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
What’s not to love? 1.4 million is such a good deal. At the worst we are paying that for a fourth liner which is very cheap. Don’t say you don’t love it just cause it’s Rasmussen, this is an amazing deal.
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It’s not an amazing deal. It’s a market value deal for a 25ish point forward in the NHL. It’s not like we signed a proven 25 goal guy to that deal at a steal.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
It’s not an amazing deal. It’s a market value deal for a 25ish point forward in the NHL. It’s not like we signed a proven 25 goal guy to that deal at a steal.
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I don’t see how not, he’s making what 500k more than he would on his rookie deal anyways? What’s not to like. It’s a great aav imo.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
I’m posting this again since you may have missed it before.
Michael Rasmussen Comparables Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

He is making right around what other young 3rd/4th line tweeners make. And the reason for that is because that is what he is until he starts producing more.
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So much celebration for fair market value, lol.

As much criticism as Holland got, he was fairly good at RFA negotiations, so I don't understand the excitement here. Raz got $1.46M because he plays like a $1.46M player, and since it's an RFA deal it's really not a steal. It's Connor Sheary money for less production.
 
Ezekial said:
What excitement? Most of this thread is you ogee and MBH shitting on him
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Well if a true assessment of his game is shitting on him then what does that say about his game? He's a forward getting middle 6 ice time and role, and managed to score at a 6 goal pace (3 actual goals). If you think that's worth more than $1.46AAV x 3 yrs, then by all means try to justify it. Are we paying players by the pound now or by height?
 
Being sold short still imo, potential to be a wing on a top line something like lil bertuzzi. That said a 3c a la lars eller is just as valuable.
 
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Middle six guy, hopefully can upgrade his face-offs. Good length/skating. COULD be a PK specialist.

I've always said, think Brain Boyle/Michal Handzus. Even though he was picked at 9, I always thought his ceiling was lower, he was never going to be Lindros/Lemuiex/Bertuzzi/etc type point producer/player. I never pictured him to be this big physical dominate center/winger.

He was playing a little better down the stretch, maybe with a little help/depth his play will improve too.
 
The Zetterberg Era said:
While I am not in the same boat as you in terms of being that low on Rasmussen, I think you make the argument well here. That he just isn't doing enough at times, he can be more as a player and do it more consistently. I think he shows that in the AHL and he has flashed it in the NHL, he needs to start doing it more and I think you hope that starts this year. It isn't like it is a work ethic thing, everybody around the team seem to think he is a pretty hard working guy, I just want him to be more assertive. I think he could do that on the cycle, but also just playing more direct and playing through people. All that size people talk about isn't necessarily being played at all the time, I think when he does and with the uptick in skating (man if he can make more gains there this off-season it gets really interesting) he might get a lot harder to play against.

It is time though, we need a step forward this year.
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a bit more snarl to his game would go a long way. I think some of it will come with time and experience (confidence). I think it will also help to have some other guys in the lineup who embrace it. Seider and Smith will help. Larkin and Bert go to the dirty areas. Erne. I think Svech fits. Nick Foligno might be an interesting guy to chase in this regard.
 
Winger98 said:
a bit more snarl to his game would go a long way. I think some of it will come with time and experience (confidence). I think it will also help to have some other guys in the lineup who embrace it. Seider and Smith will help. Larkin and Bert go to the dirty areas. Erne. I think Svech fits. Nick Foligno might be an interesting guy to chase in this regard.
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I think we might draft some guys like that this year. We need guys that penetrate the middle of the ice and get inside with success.
 
This is a good contract for a player like Raz at this point in his career.

Hopefully he continues to improve and outplay the contract.

Worst case, he is a 4th line grinder type and is thus paid appropriately​
 
I haven’t given up on the idea there is more upside for Rasmussen.

Bigger players usually take longer to develop at the NHL level. He also had some tough injuries during key development years (19/20 years old). I still think there is a chance for considerable improvement during this contract term.

At the same time I wouldn’t be devastated if he were traded for an immediate upgrade.
He is an asset that is really tough to assess right now.
 
I think he would benefit if the wings developed a more possession style of game. He could be really good on the cycle and battling in front of the net but he becomes a ghost when wings are chasing the puck around. Always liked his skill set to compliment skilled players
 
If Rasmussen got a 3-year contract paying him just about what he's worth now at the age of 22, it is pretty easy to look at this contract and say it has a nice chance to look great after 2 more years of progression. And if Rasmussen doesn't improve at all for the next 3 years, well the contract is so low impact, its a wash. So there is reasonable upside, with very little downside. People also like to see Yzerman have enough faith in the player to give 3 years term, which is not always typical for young unproven RFAs.

Its really simple why people like this deal.

So why do people not like the deal? Because if anyone says anything remotely positive about Ras, the posters who have invested hours shitting on Ras must flood the thread to make sure everyone knows that he's still a disappointment and will always be a disappointment and how dare you be pleased with the disappointment.
 
NestleCrunch said:
If Rasmussen got a 3-year contract paying him just about what he's worth now at the age of 22, it is pretty easy to look at this contract and say it has a nice chance to look great after 2 more years of progression. And if Rasmussen doesn't improve at all for the next 3 years, well the contract is so low impact, its a wash. So there is reasonable upside, with very little downside. People also like to see Yzerman have enough faith in the player to give 3 years term, which is not always typical for young unproven RFAs.

Its really simple why people like this deal.

So why do people not like the deal? Because if anyone says anything remotely positive about Ras, the posters who have invested hours shitting on Ras must flood the thread to make sure everyone knows that he's still a disappointment and will always be a disappointment and how dare you be pleased with the disappointment.
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Maybe I misread this thread but I don't think that's what people have been saying.

I didn't see people shitting on the contract itself. What people have been shitting on is the idea that this contract is a steal when it's been shown with evidence time and again that it is league average for what Rasmussen is. Nobody is crapping on it making us less flexible or that it's an over pay.

Also stating that Rasmussen is a 3rd/4th line player is not crapping on him. Why? Because if you produce like a 3rd/4th line player you probably are a 3rd/4th line player.

This idea that (until proven otherwise) Rasmussen is more than a 3rd/4th line player is delusional. Here are players that Rasmussen is close to in terms of production, overall impact and contract value and their 2021 stats.

Tage Thompson: 38 gp, 8g, 14pts.
Cap hit: 1.4 million, 3 year term.
Age when signed: 22
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Troy Terry: 48gp, 7g, 20pts
Cap hit: 1.45 million, 3 year term.
Age when signed: 22
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Anders Bjork: 45gp, 5g, 11pts
Cap hit: 1.6 million, 3 year term
Age when signed: 23
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Push aside his draft pedigree and look at the player that he was last season and the player he is today. If Rasmussen were picked 39th overall or 139th overall it would still only be a market value deal for a bottom 6 player. Not a great contract. Not a bad one. Just a standard contract.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
Maybe I misread this thread but I don't think that's what people have been saying.

I didn't see people shitting on the contract itself. What people have been shitting on is the idea that this contract is a steal when it's been shown with evidence time and again that it is league average for what Rasmussen is. Nobody is crapping on it making us less flexible or that it's an over pay.

Also stating that Rasmussen is a 3rd/4th line player is not crapping on him. Why? Because if you produce like a 3rd/4th line player you probably are a 3rd/4th line player.

This idea that (until proven otherwise) Rasmussen is more than a 3rd/4th line player is delusional. Here are players that Rasmussen is close to in terms of production, overall impact and contract value and their 2021 stats.

Tage Thompson: 38 gp, 8g, 14pts.
Cap hit: 1.4 million, 3 year term.
Age when signed: 22
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Troy Terry: 48gp, 7g, 20pts
Cap hit: 1.45 million, 3 year term.
Age when signed: 22
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Anders Bjork: 45gp, 5g, 11pts
Cap hit: 1.6 million, 3 year term
Age when signed: 23
Signed as RFA prior to 2020-21 season.

Push aside his draft pedigree and look at the player that he was last season and the player he is today. If Rasmussen were picked 39th overall or 139th overall it would still only be a market value deal for a bottom 6 player. Not a great contract. Not a bad one. Just a standard contract.
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I don't know about you, but I enjoy a low-impact, upside-only contract that shows investment in our young talent.

Your comparables seem pretty fitting from a stats perspective, but I unfortunately am not familiar enough with those players or their team standing for me to properly interpret. I appreciate the well thought out reply and you may be correct and its me who's misinterpreted. However, when people call this a steal, I am hearing them say its a good contract, the risk/reward ratio is good, and it's a display of good asset management.
 
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Coach Reggie Dunlop said:
I don’t see how not, he’s making what 500k more than he would on his rookie deal anyways? What’s not to like. It’s a great aav imo.
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How much did you think he could ask for?
Serious question.
You think he was going to go 3-9-12 and ask for $2.5M a year?
 
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