BeersHockey
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Ras noticeably showed improvement when he started staking with the puck in the neutral zone and using his size to gain entry wide. If he keeps and builds on that confidence he’ll outperform this contract big time.
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Confirmed with Link: Michael Rasmussen signs three year extension
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OgeeOgelthorpe
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The problem here is that a lot of the time when Ras was taking the puck through the neutral zone and skating it into the offensive zone he didn't have any support. It always seemed to happen at the end of a shift while locked in the defensive zone and his wingers were skating back to the bench.
OgeeOgelthorpe
Riccis per 60 record holder
Development can and often does stop for players. How much better do you think Rasmussen is going to get?
Pavels Dog
Registered User
It's still rare for players to be done developing at age 22 and such limited NHL time. I think he has shown enough flashes and enough improvement to believe he can become a steady contributor.
Just consider that one of his absolute strengths is supposed to be playing a net-front role, and he's playing on a team that's never in the o-zone and has had a god awful powerplay. So that's one large aspect of his game largely untapped so far.
deca guard
Registered User
razz is a beast of burden that needs to play on a unit with talented players which he does the dirty work for . his worth doesnt show on a low on talent roster as hes not the type that can generate offense . and he takes on lots of dings here from whiny wing fans still sulking over kenny not drafting necas . but these big mountain men show there worth on talented rosters ecspecially in the playoffs which is all that matters anyway !
OgeeOgelthorpe
Riccis per 60 record holder
Well then I guess it’s a good thing we have him on a cap friendly deal to trade him to one of those teams.
Hoog
Registered User
A lot of times bigger guys take some time to develop. Definately took a step in the right direction especially on the defensive side this year, IMO. The contract fits him currently but my hope is his offense shows better and he becomes a very solid two way 3rd line guy. I like the effort level and the boost of confidence he had this year. I feel he and Joe V will show up this year for the Wings.
deca guard
Registered User
my vision of razz is a top 6 winger that plays on a line with two talent guys such as RASMUSSEN-MATHEWS-MARNER or RASMUSSEN-TAVARES-NYLANDER . thats the job where razz thrives
FMichael
Registered User
But those morning deposits feel real gud and is a great way to start off the day.
Gniwder
IN TODD WE TRUST
So would any other winger in the league, especially the ones that can actually keep up with Matthews.
deca guard
Registered User
i see your carving out a nice career as a know it all here , wonderful
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Gniwder
IN TODD WE TRUST
There's already been 2 mod warnings for personal attacks today, so I'm not gonna get into it with you.
What I will say is that the expectation for a top 10 pick is to be able to drive the play, not to be a passenger.
deca guard
Registered User
what your incapable of understanding is IT DOES NOT MATTER IF HE WERE PICKED 9TH OR 90TH . hes a 22 old big body that take longer to develop coordination on ice . and 1.5 in the nhl is peanuts . giving a guy with great attitude that hustles and was rated a 1st round pick by all pro scouts 3x1.5 at age 22 is a basic no brainer signing . where he was drafted means NOTHING !
The Zetterberg Era
Ball Hockey Sucks
Tage Thompson doesn't show the same kind of defensive tendencies, though he is a better skater with better offensive tendencies. I actually think Thompson is about to break out a little, not saying he is going to be a world beater, just I think there is still more in there and his coordination is coming along. He looked very good at the Worlds.
Big guys usually take some time.
I am excited to see Ras next year, I am hoping he is having a big summer. I think he needs to get bigger and meaner to really get to the next level. He is a massive man, he needs to start making others deal with that far more than he does. This is a good deal out of Yzerman, Ras still has a ways to go, but it does look like there is more in there to pull out of him. Hopefully we can see that happen as an organization.
I don't really get the point of actively rooting against our players... I know some get there for me, but that is really like the overstayed veterans. The NHL is a hard league for guys to come in and excel right away at, only the truly special talents do that for the most part. We are still early in this process really, I know people can push peak scoring figure ages and whatever else but those are really superstars. Nobody was ever projecting Ras to be one of those, really nobody outside of the top 5 carries those kind of expectations.
The Zetterberg Era
Ball Hockey Sucks
I am giving Veleno kind of a pass on this year. I just want him to transition and stick at some point. Hey maybe it is even training camp that would be great.
I do expect a big step forward from Rasmussen at this point. Yeah big guys take a little longer, but this is the point in time you usually start to see the big steps forward. Ras has to become harder to play against this year, I think he can be.
Run the Jewels
Make Detroit Great Again
I trust Yzerman on this one. Fortunately it is a cheap contract and hopefully Yzerman didn't give him any sort of NMC/NTC. 
Gniwder
IN TODD WE TRUST
Cool, more personal insults. Obviously it's a no brainer signing. I didn't say he shouldn't be signed, so I don't understand your argument.
Where he was drafted does matter in that he's a disappointment so far. Doesn't mean he shouldn't be signed and it shouldn't impact his salary. What you said earlier is that he just needs to be on a line with 2 superstars. Heck, even Connor Sheary looked great playing with Crosby or Abby with Datsyuk.
He needs to learn to drive the play. He's learning to shield the puck, but the play dies on his stick because he really doesn't know what to do with it other than drive towards the crease. Hopefully Tanguay has a better system than Disco, and he'll learn to cycle the puck. We'll see what Alex can do with the kid.
Shaman464
No u
Ras still has a problem at processing the game at NHL speeds it seems. That is a lot of the reason the play dies on his stick.
Roomba With a Bauer
Registered User
Rasmussen is still just a big body, that's all. He's the definition of a plug and on a decent team he wouldn't even be sniffing the roster. Literally the only thing he's good at is being big, and he's barely good at that.
That being said, I have no problem with this deal. At 1.46, he barely makes a dent in the cap, and at 3 years he'll wash off the team before he becomes a drag on the roster.
The Zetterberg Era
Ball Hockey Sucks
While I am not in the same boat as you in terms of being that low on Rasmussen, I think you make the argument well here. That he just isn't doing enough at times, he can be more as a player and do it more consistently. I think he shows that in the AHL and he has flashed it in the NHL, he needs to start doing it more and I think you hope that starts this year. It isn't like it is a work ethic thing, everybody around the team seem to think he is a pretty hard working guy, I just want him to be more assertive. I think he could do that on the cycle, but also just playing more direct and playing through people. All that size people talk about isn't necessarily being played at all the time, I think when he does and with the uptick in skating (man if he can make more gains there this off-season it gets really interesting) he might get a lot harder to play against.
It is time though, we need a step forward this year.
Gniwder
IN TODD WE TRUST
I'm just giving a fair assessment of where he's at right now vs what our expectation were because this thread once again drifted towards personal insults instead of player assessment.
Raz' slow rate of development is an indictment on our staff as it is on him. His skating improved quite a bit during the season as well as his understanding of using his big body to shield the puck. Why are they teaching this stuff in GR? Don't they have anyone on staff that works with the prospects on skating? It doesn't seem that way, and that is the major reason why I don't think the team should pick Clarke, especially considering he doesn't seem to think it's a problem. Getting back to the subject at hand, he also doesn't leverage well when standing still, and that's an issue for a guy that's supposed to be a net front presence.
I definitely will not question their work ethics, the only one I had issues with was Mantha. I think even Svech is trying, but he's just slow and has absolutely no stamina. Raz needs to bullk up, and maybe hire that skating coach that Bobby Ryan hired. Given the slow rate of progress under GR/RW coaching, I think he needs to take his own initiative, use some of this contract money and hire a personal coach. That and work on his shooting, because I don't think he has a goal from beyond 10 ft yet.
He's not a finished product yet, so there's hope he becomes something more than a big bodied plug, but I really do think he needs to find himself some additional help. the Wings also need to address those coaching deficiencies, I think Alex is a good start. I'm really hoping he doesn't let me down, because I'm not expecting the Kraken to do much this season with their staff. (Talk about more disappointment, lol, but that's a whole different forum.)
Lil Sebastian Cossa
Opinions are share are my own personal opinions.
So you want to trade him to Toronto.
Lil Sebastian Cossa
Opinions are share are my own personal opinions.
Rasmussen got boned by that rule that 19 year olds can't play in the AHL. He wasn't good enough to be in the NHL yet in his draft year and he was too good for the WHL. He also got drafted too highly because Tyler Wright and Holland put a greater focus on some assets that are lower value assets. Size and character are nice to haves when you draft in the top 9. They should not be something you hang your hat on for a pick. I get not taking Vilardi in that draft cause injured... but no excuse not to take Necas who they'd wined and dined pretty heavily. Bigger thing though, let's see what getting a guy like Leddy and whatever else they do in the draft and FA on the defensive end does for the whole team. Rasmussen is a guy who should be really good in front of the net if you can have a strong cycle on the PP. So if they can do more of that... maybe he starts showing out some more.
