Message from Chipman

[Ducky10]

I’m not the one trying to shoehorn this nothing burger into a narrative.

No narrative at all, and yes you are.

 

[cbcwpg]

You peps are just lucky I don't own this team. If I owned the team I probably wouldn't even have a GM, because I would be the GM as well.

 

[Huffer]

You peps are just lucky I don't own this team. If I owned the team I probably wouldn't even have a GM, because I would be the GM as well.

Jerry Jones and George Steinbrenner baby!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yup, so the standard is getting this team back to the playoffs. Let's see if Chevy makes the moves to get us back there.

That is setting the bar pretty low.
He talks about "championship calibre teams", but just getting into the PO does not = that. You need to do that just to be allowed to try to win a championship.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Coaching is tricky as it's going to be hard to determine if they are pinching pennies or not. I'm sure most of us don't have a good grasp on all the up and coming coaches.

What will piss me off is a retread of a proven bad coach like Yeo or a dinosaur like Carlyle.

I'll have an open mind on anyone else they go for.

But I agree an honest effort to fix the issues and an honest effort by the team on the ice would be acceptable to me. What has pissed me off the past few years isn't the results but how the team has looked on the ice.

The bolded.
That goes back to the PO losses as well as how we have looked in general. Every team but one looses its last PO series. But it was the way we lost each time. When a series goes to 7 games and the last game goes to double OT, you went down fighting. That is not the way we have exited the PO - ever. Each time we have been tossed aside pretty easily.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Isn’t this all speculation? Do we have any proof that Chipman is heavily involved in on ice decisions?

Not even so much as a hint, much less proof.

Do we have proof he isn’t?

Not even so much as a hint, much less proof.

 

[drumzan]

Isn’t this all speculation? Do we have any proof that Chipman is heavily involved in on ice decisions?

Gary Lawless once said on 1290 the Winnipeg GM job was the easiest job because it’s all “paint by numbers”. Essentially TNSE has their processes and Chevy just follows them - it doesn’t matter who has the job. That’s always stuck with me over the years and half confirmed Chipman is heavily involved, and Chevy is more or less a glorified scout and media relations for TNSE. Do I think Chipman is involved with who the team drafts or picks up on waivers? No. But I don’t doubt he was probably heavily pushing the Dillon and Schmidt trades. And other major decisions like contract negotiations, trades (Copp), FA signings, etc.

Just my take.

 

[cbcwpg]

“Chevy and I talk pretty much daily,” he said of his working relationship with general manager Cheveldayoff. “Those are his calls to make, but it would depend on the extent of the term or the quantum of the contract you’re talking about (that) would, to a certain degree, determine the level of involvement that he would require me. The lengthier the deal or the more impactful the deal, the more I would be involved on a consultant basis.”

-- Chipman

 

[WaveRaven]

A meddling owner is an almost certain path to disaster I think.

I wonder how much Chipper is actually making calls. If Chevy called him said I want move on from Pomo, anyone believe Chipper would be whatever you want Kevin. I mean just listen to him talk about Pomo no way he would allow the canning of him.

 

[WpgSteve]

There evidence that Chipman is involved in team management. However, it is not clear that it is disruptive. I doubt that Chevy would stick around if management was micromanaging and making him go against his core vision. I suspect that it is a respectful situation where everyone's input is valued. A lot of the decisions made do not have clear answers one way or the other.

Would it be better if Chipman stayed out of hockey ops entirely? Sure, but I am not sure it is realistic. Ownership is always going to have to be consulted about significant expenditures. Ownership also has to consider things that impact the brand and image that they are trying to build. That means weighing in on coaching and players signings and trades.

 

[surixon]

The bolded.
That goes back to the PO losses as well as how we have looked in general. Every team but one looses its last PO series. But it was the way we lost each time. When a series goes to 7 games and the last game goes to double OT, you went down fighting. That is not the way we have exited the PO - ever. Each time we have been tossed aside pretty easily.

They put an honest effort against Vegas but didn't have any breaks or bounces go their way.

They were putting in an honest effort against the Blues until the end of game 5 and then they imploded. That is when Moe should have been let go.

The last three years have just been a mess imo.

That is setting the bar pretty low.
He talks about "championship calibre teams", but just getting into the PO does not = that. You need to do that just to be allowed to try to win a championship.

I don't disagree but it seems the minimal standard for Chevy is getting the team back in. It is something that is measurable so I don't have an issue with that. I imagine it's harder to measure what a true contender looks like or in a way that is easy to convey to most fans.

 

[Ducky10]

I think Chipman talks to Chevy about major decisions the team might be making. Hiring and firing coaches, major FA signings, significant trades, high dollar, long term contracts. I mean, why wouldn’t the owner be involved in discussions like that? Soliciting a guy like Chipman’s opinion on things of that nature is smart, I’d be wary of a GM who had the arrogance to think he didn’t need to. The best decisions are made collectively.
The large assumption being made is that Chipman undermines Chevy and not only has the final say in matters, but also uses that say to make the ultimate decision.
I don’t think that happens at all. There is a big difference between involvement and meddling.

 

[TS Quint]

No narrative at all, and yes you are.

Hahah what? That doesn’t even make sense.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

So if the Jets don’t sign Stastny are we looking for a press conference saying Stastny got fired? Or just like the coaches he worked his full contract as agreed upon and he is just going to get a new contract from someone else?

Damn, I wish we would have got a press conference with Chevy going full Vince McMahon “Brossoit! YOU’RE FIIIIIIRED!!!!!!”

No one expects that but players do not get 'fired' whereas Coaches do. It is obvious Lowry wanted the job but was not given it.

furthermore, they all have to interview for their jobs except Flahtery. In my world that is not a ringing endorsement of their work.

They are to afraid to fire people and I am not sure why but seems they take the easy road. I wish I could be like you; a pacified plebeian, which is fine.

 

[GreenLine]

I doubt that Chevy would stick around if management was micromanaging and making him go against his core vision.

Or maybe he knows he'd get fired anywhere else for this level of complacency and inaction, and he's happy to collect a fat paycheque

 

[WpgSteve]

No one expects that but players do not get 'fired' whereas Coaches do. It is obvious Lowry wanted the job but was not given it.

furthermore, they all have to interview for their jobs except Flahtery. In my world that is not a ringing endorsement of their work.

They are to afraid to fire people and I am not sure why but seems they take the easy road. I wish I could be like you; a pacified plebeian, which is fine.

I don't care if they were fired or not, but it should have been made clear that they were not coming back.

 

[rkp]

We need to realize that every owner is involved in team operations (it's their Fn team lol)..... All I said was in reply to a post that Chipman needs to step back from the teams hockey OPs. Why? How do we know he is overstepping his bounds and is doing it more then other team owners. Does he tell Chevy who to sign and for how long? Does he tell the coach what players to play on what lines and how many minutes? Does he tell the team trainers how to treat injuries? Does he tell the equipment guys how to sharpen skates?

I hope you can see my sarcasm as I'm having a bit of fun

was just commenting, but anyhows.......it has been reported like I said by some in the media that maybe sticks his nose in when he should just walk on by....lol

 

[TS Quint]

No one expects that but players do not get 'fired' whereas Coaches do. It is obvious Lowry wanted the job but was not given it.

furthermore, they all have to interview for their jobs except Flahtery. In my world that is not a ringing endorsement of their work.

They are to afraid to fire people and I am not sure why but seems they take the easy road. I wish I could be like you; a pacified plebeian, which is fine.

A pacified plebeian? LMAO! I’m sorry you are so upset you have lost your mind. You have a demand that Chevy to LIE and say he fired people he didn’t. They worked their contracts as agreed just like any player.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They put an honest effort against Vegas but didn't have any breaks or bounces go their way.

They were putting in an honest effort against the Blues until the end of game 5 and then they imploded. That is when Moe should have been let go.

The last three years have just been a mess imo.



I don't disagree but it seems the minimal standard for Chevy is getting the team back in. It is something that is measurable so I don't have an issue with that. I imagine it's harder to measure what a true contender looks like or in a way that is easy to convey to most fans.

I agree it is hard to measure what constitutes a true contender. I have my own seat of the pants assessments of who the real contenders are each year. Not all 'true contenders' will reach the final 4 each year. There are vagaries, like injuries, that might prevent that. So we can't just say that it is those teams. I think there are usually 5-6 true contenders in most years.

But I will guess that all true contenders will make the final 8 in most years. That doesn't mean that if you make the final 8 you are a contender, but if you are a contender you will almost always make the final 8. So I prefer using making that cut off line to simply making the PO. No way there are 16 true contenders in any year.That is still far from perfect. But if you want something measurable I suggest that.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

A pacified plebeian? LMAO! I’m sorry you are so upset you have lost your mind. You have a demand that Chevy to LIE and say he fired people he didn’t. They worked their contracts as agreed just like any player.

I have certainly not lost my mind just tired of how this team opetates. I have had season tickets from the start and dreaded going to games this year because most nights the effort was not there and the arena was had no energy. The players were honest about what was going on but then Chevy tried to sugar coat things in his 30 minute ted talk and Chipman's note was not any better. It is great to have an NHL team again and have a distraction during the long winter but I feel Chevy and Chipman play the fans for fools. It is 'their' team and without Chipman their is no Jeys 2.0 but it does not mean I cannot be critical of their behaviour. You choose not to be, which is fine too.

 

[JetsFan815]

The coach hire will be a big tell, if it is anyone with TNSE connections then we will know it is the owner calling the shots as Chevy has no ties to these TNSE folks whose names are getting talked about (other than perhaps Vincent who also has ties to Chevy)

You peps are just lucky I don't own this team. If I owned the team I probably wouldn't even have a GM, because I would be the GM as well.

Same lol. I'd be micromanaging down to granularity which 4th liner takes d-zone faceoffs.

 

[GNP]

The world is harsh and unkind.

Chipman couldn't even look Sara Orlesky in the eye during his interview last Friday against the Flames.

He just sat there, shoulders slumped, looking at the floor.

It's no shock to me why the Jets appear to be rudderless.

Yes, I agree totally with you. Chipman looks like a very timid man, that does not have any posture, or commanding presence about him. Looked like he was shuffling his feet, looking down at the floor, and a little nervous with Sara.

When I saw that, I asked myself, how did this guy ever build the biggest car dealership in the City ? I'm not sure, but I think it was his father who did, and he took over with a couple of brothers, after the infrastructure was set up. Maybe he's a good lawyer in some capacity, but he looks very meek to me.

Leadership does begin at the top you know. I guess we'll see what he'll do this upcoming year, as it's a big turning point for the Jets.

 

[GrassyKnoll]

It seems like there's a bit too much cynicism around here. I'm not a cheerleader for Chipman or Chevy, but I think they have the best interests of the team and the city at heart, though yes, their actions had been flawed at times. I'm not one to necessarily accept mediocrity just because "we're lucky to have an NHL franchise", but those days from '96 to 2011 were darker days (the presence of the Moose notwithstanding). Just remember...

 

[Teemusalami204]

I wonder if Chipman is embarrassed that his loyalty and family mantra has came back and bit this entire franchise in the ass.

I hope this is a huge lesson learned and we end up somewhere is the middle of how Vegas runs cutthroat and how we have operated the past 11 years.

Just the right amount of cut throat. It’s apparent now that loyalty has cost this organization wins and this should be the end of it

 

[tbcwpg]

I agree it is hard to measure what constitutes a true contender. I have my own seat of the pants assessments of who the real contenders are each year. Not all 'true contenders' will reach the final 4 each year. There are vagaries, like injuries, that might prevent that. So we can't just say that it is those teams. I think there are usually 5-6 true contenders in most years.

But I will guess that all true contenders will make the final 8 in most years. That doesn't mean that if you make the final 8 you are a contender, but if you are a contender you will almost always make the final 8. So I prefer using making that cut off line to simply making the PO. No way there are 16 true contenders in any year.That is still far from perfect. But if you want something measurable I suggest that.

I don't mind that metric (top 8) for the most part, but I think it does have its flaws. This year, in the East at least, we're going to lose two teams that I would feel are legitimate Cup possibilities (Tampa/Toronto, Rangers/Pittsburgh) in the first round. If Tampa doesn't win the series, I'd still say they were at the contender level. Just saying there are exceptions to that rule and the 2 vs 3 format we have in the playoffs now is going to make those exceptions happen a lot more.