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[Omni Owl]

That's disappointing to hear about L. Schenn. He actually makes sense as far as position, right handed shot, and type of game he plays.

 

[deeshamrock]

Oh dear, Has he really been that bad. The games i've seen him (limited) he's been alright. So Coburn it is? How's Del Zotto looked?

Del Zotto started off okay, played an average of 20 min per game thru the first 22 games. And I thought he for more than a few games he was their best D. A good puck mover, created some offensive chances but his Achilles heel is that he's a terrible defensemen in the sense of what a defenseman's most important job is - defense. And on the Flyers, who have no dfense to begin with, that's just not a good mix for a new player coming to the team to try to save his career.

His other problem is he has severe confidence issues. I didn't like the signing for that reason, I saw enough of him prior to arriving here to know he was not the kind if shaky player that would fit into Berube's defensive disaster zone. Too much was expected of him and without a true #1 or 2 (or even 3...) D on the team, he was not in good spot , fitting it to new tam is hard enough, more on a D who has the hardes tjob and has to learn to gel with a new partner./system.

Berube thought he was taking too many chances, playing to risky and leaving the Flyers at a disadvantage and benched him in November. That has now lasted for weeks, he has played only 2 games in Dec and not since 12/6.

I don't like Berube at all and this is just another example of his player mismanagement. Any good or positive internal initiative that MDZ built up in Oct/Nov is gone now, you can't bench a player for weeks and espa a young one with confidence issues and expect a good outcome.

I didn't see any reason to do this to him, esp given the amount of mistakes the rest of the them make, esp Schenn.
MDZ has been openly vocal about not being happy having the rug pulled out from under him and how he feels it's not fair he was benched, and that won't help.

It's a shame, I just don't this working out for him, if Berube wasn't happy with his play , you have a coaching staff , vidoes, ways to correct that. Benching a player who pretty good up to that point for weeks just isn't the way to fix that.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Del Zotto started off okay, played an average of 20 min per game thru the first 22 games. And I thought he for more than a few games he was their best D. A good puck mover, created some offensive chances but his Achilles heel is that he's a terrible defensemen in the sense of what a defenseman's most important job is - defense. And on the Flyers, who have no dfense to begin with, that's just not a good mix for a new player coming to the team to try to save his career.

His other problem is he has severe confidence issues. I didn't like the signing for that reason, I saw enough of him prior to arriving here to know he was not the kind if shaky player that would fit into Berube's defensive disaster zone. Too much was expected of him and without a true #1 or 2 (or even 3...) D on the team, he was not in good spot , fitting it to new tam is hard enough, more on a D who has the hardes tjob and has to learn to gel with a new partner./system.

Berube thought he was taking too many chances, playing to risky and leaving the Flyers at a disadvantage and benched him in November. That has now lasted for weeks, he has played only 2 games in Dec and not since 12/6.

I don't like Berube at all and this is just another example of his player mismanagement. Any good or positive internal initiative that MDZ built up in Oct/Nov is gone now, you can't bench a player for weeks and espa a young one with confidence issues and expect a good outcome.

I didn't see any reason to do this to him, esp given the amount of mistakes the rest of the them make, esp Schenn.
MDZ has been openly vocal about not being happy having the rug pulled out from under him and how he feels it's not fair he was benched, and that won't help.

It's a shame, I just don't this working out for him, if Berube wasn't happy with his play , you have a coaching staff , vidoes, ways to correct that. Benching a player who pretty good up to that point for weeks just isn't the way to fix that.

I thought MDZ was a great cheap addition for them, its a shame his confidence is shot though. Do you think he'd have the ability to succeed in our D core , is he any improvement on Mcbain?

 

[deeshamrock]

I thought MDZ was a great cheap addition for them, its a shame his confidence is shot though. Do you think he'd have the ability to succeed in our D core , is he any improvement on Mcbain?

He's absolutely better than McBain but MDZ is a leftie and DL is looking for a rightie.
He was a 'cheap' sign but he wasn't the right fit for the Flyers due to their lack of D. Too much pressure on him and a coach who doesn't make th ebest decisions. This massive benching was a mistake and I think will hurt him, at least if he stays here.

A guy like WM would have been a good partner for him, a dependable smart vet who takes care of biz in his own end allowing a good skating puck moving offensive minded D the freedom to go.

And they don't have that guy right now, RR isn't and MG is awful.

It's a shame, because MDZ does have talent but needs the right coach and fit to gradually get his confidence back. He's only 24, and with the right mentor and coach, he'll be a good d for somebody.

The other problem is that the Rangers rushed him up too soon, went right from juniors to the NHL and had a great rookie year and then of course there was a expectation for him to achieve, that should not have been on the shoulders of a 19 yr old. He wasn't developed right, should have stayed with Knights another year and then the AHL for at least 1. So the Rangers had a large hand in hurting his confidence and I don't think Torts was the right kind of coach for a young kid like that.
He's had a run of bad luck but I think he's young enough to regroup but I don't think with the Kings.
Although I keep hearing that DL might be eyeing Coburn. We'll see

 

[Reclamation Project]

We've got our Trojan Horse in the Flyers front office.

 

[Omni Owl]

I've been hearing Flyer fans complain a lot about Coburn, which worries me. I wonder if its just due to the weak defense or is he struggling?

 

[deeshamrock]

I've been hearing Flyer fans complain a lot about Coburn, which worries me. I wonder if its just due to the weak defense or is he struggling?

Both.

He's not a #1 D or part of a #1 pairing but the FLyers have a whole group of 4-6 bracket d's so he's used in situations where he wouldn't be a team that has a solid top 3 D and good forwards.
Too many of the Flyers forwards are weak in their own end, lose board battles and can't clear the puck, make bad deicsions.
So Coburn is a product of that and he' sbeen struggling since he came back from injury.