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ChuckLefley

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There are some unwritten rules about rec hockey... among them in my mind is that you don't dig around the crease like Brendan Gallagher... there shouldn't be a whole pile of battles for net front position. A person can drift in and out or set up a little further outside for a tip/screen but trying to get under the feet of the d man and on top of the blue paint doesn't fly for me.

I'll call you a net front hero and cross check you as hard as I possibly can... don't care what the score is... I'm 48 and the time for that crap was in Junior or Senior , contact hockey. The thing is, most net front heroes in rec hockey hardly ever played competitive hockey and don't understand the price that actually gets paid to be there, so I like to remind/show them.
Let me get this straight you don’t think players should set up to screen in front of the net and shouldn’t be battling for position, but you’re going to cross check a “net front hero” as hard as you can. The only “net front hero” is the guy who talks like he thinks beer league is his road to the NHL… you.

Guess what, you’re the guy most of these stories are about.
 

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Let me get this straight you don’t think players should set up to screen in front of the net and shouldn’t be battling for position, but you’re going to cross check a “net front hero” as hard as you can. The only “net front hero” is the guy who talks like he thinks beer league is his road to the NHL… you.

Guess what, you’re the guy most of these stories are about.
I'm 48 Chuck... i play old man hockey where the idea is to play as well as we can for our age but not try to hurt anyone... You want to get under my feet, try to knock me down, get in an old goaltender's crease, slash, hack and whack at them? Play somewhere else... I've played all the competitive hockey I need to play... don't need anymore... this is all I have now.

Players can still tip and screen... you will not set up behind me and try to cross check me into shots when shots come from the point. I'm just not up for getting injured so net front heroes like yourself can check the website to see how many points you racked up in a really crappy mens league.
 

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Let me get this straight you don’t think players should set up to screen in front of the net and shouldn’t be battling for position, but you’re going to cross check a “net front hero” as hard as you can. The only “net front hero” is the guy who talks like he thinks beer league is his road to the NHL… you.

Guess what, you’re the guy most of these stories are about.

I’m one of the least penalized guys in my league, I play very mildly, especially since the divs I play in has guys of all different skill levels - but if you stick your ass right infront of the goalie I’m going to make it hurt, sorry. The refs understand this as well, if you’re going to back into crease I’m going to give you some shots to the kidneys until you move, and I won’t take a penalty for it because beer league decency says you don’t crowd the goalie.
 

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I'm 48 Chuck... i play old man hockey where the idea is to play as well as we can for our age but not try to hurt anyone... You want to get under my feet, try to knock me down, get in an old goaltender's crease, slash, hack and whack at them? Play somewhere else... I've played all the competitive hockey I need to play... don't need anymore... this is all I have now.

Players can still tip and screen... you will not set up behind me and try to cross check me into shots when shots come from the point. I'm just not up for getting injured so net front heroes like yourself can check the website to see how many points you racked up in a really crappy mens league.
Oh, I get it. You didn’t actually read the story and just got angry about it since you are a big tough guy beer league D. Makes sense.

I’m one of the least penalized guys in my league, I play very mildly, especially since the divs I play in has guys of all different skill levels - but if you stick your ass right infront of the goalie I’m going to make it hurt, sorry. The refs understand this as well, if you’re going to back into crease I’m going to give you some shots to the kidneys until you move, and I won’t take a penalty for it because beer league decency says you don’t crowd the goalie.
Your a complete fool if you think you won’t get a penalty in beer league if your using your stick to “make it hurt” and give me “shots in the kidney” because I’m screening your goalie.

Ypu know how they say every poker game has a sucker and if you can’t figure out who it is than you’re it. Well you’re the guy who can’t figure out who all these stories are about…
 

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Oh, I get it. You didn’t actually read the story and just got angry about it since you are a big tough guy beer league D. Makes sense.


Your a complete fool if you think you won’t get a penalty in beer league if your using your stick to “make it hurt” and give me “shots in the kidney” because I’m screening your goalie.

Ypu know how they say every poker game has a sucker and if you can’t figure out who it is than you’re it. Well you’re the guy who can’t figure out who all these stories are about…
Well I’m sitting dead on 20 games played this year and having a whopping 5 penalties, none for roughing or cross checking - 41 games last year, 10 penalties and 1 for roughing so I can promise you I am not being penalized for it. Sounds more like you’re one of those clowns who can’t play hockey and still thinks he might make the nhl so you stand right infront of the goalie and pretend you’re helping.

There’s niceties to abide by in every sport, and being a dickhead to the goalie will get you roughed up in every league I’ve ever played in.

Panini has it right, you want to set up a few feet out and score a garbage goal or get a tip, have at it - you want to park your ass in the crease, you’re in the wrong.
 

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Well I’m sitting dead on 20 games played this year and having a whopping 5 penalties, none for roughing or cross checking - 41 games last year, 10 penalties and 1 for roughing so I can promise you I am not being penalized for it. Sounds more like you’re one of those clowns who can’t play hockey and still thinks he might make the nhl so you stand right infront of the goalie and pretend you’re helping.

There’s niceties to abide by in every sport, and being a dickhead to the goalie will get you roughed up in every league I’ve ever played in.

Panini has it right, you want to set up a few feet out and score a garbage goal or get a tip, have at it - you want to park your ass in the crease, you’re in the wrong.
I’d say it says absolutely everything about you as a player that you consider screening the goalie is “being a dickhead to the goalie.”

You mention Panini and do exactly what he did…prove that you didn’t actually read what I wrote. Both of you are obvious beer league tough guys, who don’t actually know the sport and have to make things up in order to be right.

What a waste of time it is discussing hockey with such beer league tough guys, who can’t handle being wrong about anything.

Later, Dave Manson. 🙄
 

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I’d say it says absolutely everything about you as a player that you consider screening the goalie is “being a dickhead to the goalie.”

You mention Panini and do exactly what he did…prove that you didn’t actually read what I wrote. Both of you are obvious beer league tough guys, who don’t actually know the sport and have to make things up in order to be right.

What a waste of time it is discussing hockey with such beer league tough guys, who can’t handle being wrong about anything.

Later, Dave Manson. 🙄

“I’m battling in front of the net for position. I already had one tipped in goal, so the D is determined to keep me out. He’s nearly going full 1980’s D in the crease on me with his stick. I spin off him and get behind him, put my stick below his but, lift and give a push to move him out. Nothing violent, nothing that knocks him down, it just moves him a foot or two away. What does he do? Tries to punch me in the head.

Good times, but we ended up winning 10-2.”

You’re running up the score on a team crashing the crease and cross checking guys in the back in a beer league game, thinking you’re in the right - keep playing this way, you’re the kind of guy who is convinced he can do no wrong and ruins rec sports
 

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“I’m battling in front of the net for position. I already had one tipped in goal, so the D is determined to keep me out. He’s nearly going full 1980’s D in the crease on me with his stick. I spin off him and get behind him, put my stick below his but, lift and give a push to move him out. Nothing violent, nothing that knocks him down, it just moves him a foot or two away. What does he do? Tries to punch me in the head.

Good times, but we ended up winning 10-2.”

You’re running up the score on a team crashing the crease and cross checking guys in the back in a beer league game, thinking you’re in the right - keep playing this way, you’re the kind of guy who is convinced he can do no wrong and ruins rec sports
I know I said “later” but then you posted more idiocy and I just had to respond.

I like how you say that we’re running up the score in relation to this story, without knowing what the score was when it occurred. You're seeing what you want to see rather than what’s there.

Going to the front to screen is not ”crashing the crease.” Perhaps you should learn the game, before you spout off.

Where did I say I cross checked anyone in the back? Hint: I didn’t.

Nothing I’ve said says anything about me thinking I can do know wrong. Unlike you and panini who justify violent cross checking and giving people shots in the kidneys because they are screening the goalie.

TLDR: To convince yourself that you are a “winner” on the internet, you’re lying, proving you don’t know hockey and trying to justify you being a beer league tough guy.

Pathetic.
 

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I don't know how all these leagues work, but in my league we're under USA Hockey rules and simply entering the crease is enough to cause a whistle with a neutral zone faceoff. So nobody goes and stands in the crease, that is a total non-issue.

If the puck is at the point, as a forward yes I am going to stand in front of the goalie and screen him. I fully expect the opposing D to put his stick or hands on me and try to snowplow me out of that position. There is absolutely no call for him (or the goalie) to violently crosscheck, slash, etc. It's a rec league game, for christ's sake.
 

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Our game got called 8 minutes in exactly because there was a serious injury on the other team. He didn't want to be touched so we waited till the ambulance showed up. Since Canada's healthcare system is over run, it took 30 minutes for the paramedics to show up. The injury is in the video. Dislocated kneecap


Game called because of that. Wow brutal. I could see if it was a neck or spine issue. But a boo boo knee? I've seen dozens of worse injurys
I don't know how all these leagues work, but in my league we're under USA Hockey rules and simply entering the crease is enough to cause a whistle with a neutral zone faceoff. So nobody goes and stands in the crease, that is a total non-issue.

If the puck is at the point, as a forward yes I am going to stand in front of the goalie and screen him. I fully expect the opposing D to put his stick or hands on me and try to snowplow me out of that position. There is absolutely no call for him (or the goalie) to violently crosscheck, slash, etc. It's a rec league game, for christ's sake.
If going in the crease in the NHL was an automatic stoppage. Every Hyman shift would be blown down. If going in the crease was a big issue Hyman would be sat on his ass every shift regardless of rules.
 

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Game called because of that. Wow brutal. I could see if it was a neck or spine issue. But a boo boo knee? I've seen dozens of worse injurys

I’m guessing the actual reason was for scheduling, what with it taking 30 minutes to get an ambulance there plus time to get him off the ice. Can’t back up a whole slate of games because of one injury.
 
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I don't know how all these leagues work, but in my league we're under USA Hockey rules and simply entering the crease is enough to cause a whistle with a neutral zone faceoff. So nobody goes and stands in the crease, that is a total non-issue.

If the puck is at the point, as a forward yes I am going to stand in front of the goalie and screen him. I fully expect the opposing D to put his stick or hands on me and try to snowplow me out of that position. There is absolutely no call for him (or the goalie) to violently crosscheck, slash, etc. It's a rec league game, for christ's sake.
You have to understand, these guys are beer league tough guy D. In my story there was nothing about going into the crease, but they have changed it to that so that they can show how tough and mean they are in beer league. Maybe an LNAH scout is coming to their games.😂
 
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I’m guessing the actual reason was for scheduling, what with it taking 30 minutes to get an ambulance there plus time to get him off the ice. Can’t back up a whole slate of games because of one injury.
Seen way worse injuries where you help the injured off the ice. Then someone else gives a ride to the hospital. No need for an ambulance in that instance imho. But if the injured player didn't want to be touched. There was no choice.
 
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I don't know how all these leagues work, but in my league we're under USA Hockey rules and simply entering the crease is enough to cause a whistle with a neutral zone faceoff. So nobody goes and stands in the crease, that is a total non-issue.

If the puck is at the point, as a forward yes I am going to stand in front of the goalie and screen him. I fully expect the opposing D to put his stick or hands on me and try to snowplow me out of that position. There is absolutely no call for him (or the goalie) to violently crosscheck, slash, etc. It's a rec league game, for christ's sake.

I'm lucky if the refs have read a rulebook, any rulebook at all. They're almost exclusively guys who played their whole life but never bothered to read the rules at any level so they just make up some calls as they go. Are we getting USA Hockey rules or NHL rules? The slight difference between the two makes a difference, especially if there's inconsistencies from one official to the next. It's mind blowing how many people who play (or watch for that matter) have never read the rules.
 

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I'm lucky if the refs have read a rulebook, any rulebook at all. They're almost exclusively guys who played their whole life but never bothered to read the rules at any level so they just make up some calls as they go. Are we getting USA Hockey rules or NHL rules? The slight difference between the two makes a difference, especially if there's inconsistencies from one official to the next. It's mind blowing how many people who play (or watch for that matter) have never read the rules.
The crew in our league has guys that mostly reffed minor hockey and we even have some junior guys who work games in between their Junior A. There is certainly an epidemic of guys quitting reffing and less kids are sticking it out. Not surprising. I have heard this year of tournaments being cancelled due to lack of officials.


Two nights ago, in a Division 17 game. (Out of 20), a player that received a 2 minute minor for interference yelled at me "Call it both ways you Pejorative Slur." not that it matters but for context the penalties call were 3 minors each in the game.

People wonder why there are no officials.
 
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The crew in our league has guys that mostly reffed minor hockey and we even have some junior guys who work games in between their Junior A. There is certainly an epidemic of guys quitting reffing and less kids are sticking it out. Not surprising. I have heard this year of tournaments being cancelled due to lack of officials.


Two nights ago, in a Division 17 game. (Out of 20), a player that received a 2 minute minor for interference yelled at me "Call it both ways you Pejorative Slur." not that it matters but for context the penalties call were 3 minors each in the game.

People wonder why there are no officials.
Been refereeing for almost 20 years, started when I was 17, and I can say with great confidence that the lack of respect comes directly from the coaches on the bench. A good coach who respects the refs and knows how to talk to them professionally will also make sure their players do as well and I never have any issues with those teams/players. But if you get the lunatic behind the bench that is screaming the whole time about calls, then guess what, the kids follow suit and do it on the bench and on the ice as well and the game can turn into a shit show.
 

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I'm lucky if the refs have read a rulebook, any rulebook at all. They're almost exclusively guys who played their whole life but never bothered to read the rules at any level so they just make up some calls as they go. Are we getting USA Hockey rules or NHL rules? The slight difference between the two makes a difference, especially if there's inconsistencies from one official to the next. It's mind blowing how many people who play (or watch for that matter) have never read the rules.
From having played in the same league (and on the same team) as Tarheel for a while, the crews are pretty consistent about the more black and white rules in the USA Hockey rulebook. Stuff like hooking or interference might be a bit variable from official to official but stuff like an attacking skater entering the crease is as black and white as it gets for them.
 

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From having played in the same league (and on the same team) as Tarheel for a while, the crews are pretty consistent about the more black and white rules in the USA Hockey rulebook. Stuff like hooking or interference might be a bit variable from official to official but stuff like an attacking skater entering the crease is as black and white as it gets for them.

Agreed. I'm in a different league now, but it has been consistent between both of them that 90% of the penalty calls are for things that can't be disputed. Probably half of them are high sticking, and only the most flagrant non-arguable tripping or holding gets whistled. Looking for an interference penalty because someone set a pick on you? Forget it. It's been literally years since I've seen hooking called.
 
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Agreed. I'm in a different league now, but it has been consistent between both of them that 90% of the penalty calls are for things that can't be disputed. Probably half of them are high sticking, and only the most flagrant non-arguable tripping or holding gets whistled. Looking for an interference penalty because someone set a pick on you? Forget it. It's been literally years since I've seen hooking called.

Since we're in the Mens League thread, yes my experience is Refs will only make the really blatant calls (although I've certainly seen blatant hooks called).

I think it just comes down to this - it's late at night, we only have so much ice time, and penalties and icings take time away from the game. The Refs just want to go home, and even as players it's no fun to be behind by one goal only to see them drop the clock because we're running out of time.

I feel like the icings are where it's most obvious - the league has very loose rules on what icing is anyways (as long as you're past your own blue line you can fling the puck to the other end of the ice), but refs are very generous even then at waving icing off.
 

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Since we're in the Mens League thread, yes my experience is Refs will only make the really blatant calls (although I've certainly seen blatant hooks called).

I think it just comes down to this - it's late at night, we only have so much ice time, and penalties and icings take time away from the game. The Refs just want to go home, and even as players it's no fun to be behind by one goal only to see them drop the clock because we're running out of time.

I feel like the icings are where it's most obvious - the league has very loose rules on what icing is anyways (as long as you're past your own blue line you can fling the puck to the other end of the ice), but refs are very generous even then at waving icing off.
Some guys do this, and as their partner it frustrates me. And in the lower divisions it is more prevalent because a puck goes within 2 feet of a player and he doesn't stick out his stick. Or a guy skates parallel to the puck instead of trying to retrieve it, or he pinches on a player instead of playing the puck.

Most of the guys I know that are decent refs try to do a good job regardless of the game, division or time of night. There are those who are only there for a cheque so it is going to happen.
 
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How many people here’s rink don’t use a rink/curfew clock?


Our refs for the most part let nit picky stuff roll because of the curfew clock. A call has to be about something that changes the play or is overly aggressive.
 

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I’m in an over 40 league here in CO, and they let everything go. It’s like 90’s hockey, all the hooking and holding is generally allowed and there tends to be some shoving and general anger despite the age group. Occasional fights. It’s a higher level league, most guys played to a decent level so everyone knows how to be dirty and get away with it, and the refs aren’t paying attention anyways. I’ve never seen a play blown dead for someone being in the crease. They wait until everyone starts getting pissed at each other, then take the two guys in the middle of it. They don’t care about the stats at all, there’s a guy in our team that hasn’t played most of the season and somehow has five goals, despite not scoring any. That’s not a big deal, but it’s usually a sign of no f***s given. If you can’t figure out who made the obvious pass on the two on one then you’re probably not going to call too many cross checks in the scrum in front of the net.
 

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How many people here’s rink don’t use a rink/curfew clock?


Our refs for the most part let nit picky stuff roll because of the curfew clock. A call has to be about something that changes the play or is overly aggressive.
More often than not "questionable" icings are often waived off in our league. It's an ongoing joke with our refs regarding a 3 icings max per period unwritten rule.

Also this past Wednesday night in our game, I got held late in the 3rd period as I took the puck into their zone along the left side and was cutting to my right, across the high slot. It was a blatant hold, I lost my momentum and the puck, and I could see a few guys on our bench with their arms in the air with a WTF was that?!? At the next whistle I politely asked the ref why a call wasn't made and his rationale was; well, its a 1-0 game (we were winning), it really didnt take you out of the play, and you didnt fall down, even though he held you, and due to the game circumstances I didnt want to put them down on a call that could have gone either way. So I next time I guess I'll have to make sure to fall when I get held. #shrug
 
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How many people here’s rink don’t use a rink/curfew clock?


Our refs for the most part let nit picky stuff roll because of the curfew clock. A call has to be about something that changes the play or is overly aggressive.
All of our slots are 1.5 hours with a flood every two periods. We run with a 5 and 2 rule like minor hockey that with 5 minutes left in the slot the clock drops to 2 minutes. It happens so rarely and it usually is in low divisions because line changes take much longer.
 

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