MDZ in SJ?

[SA16]

I can keep going back. This is the first year he's played serious NHL time consistently, but every season here and in CBJ has either had him with really soft minutes doing nothing, or slightly harder minutes getting dominated.

Given what we have so far, he is not good.

But you can't say his true ability was to be dominated in a given season since the standard deviation of corsi is too high to be able to accept the number as meaningful within a 95% interval. It's more of a descriptive stat than a predictive stat.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

It was his rookie year...

Yes MDZ started off better. But he crashed and burned. Moore has progressively gotten better

Moore has gotten better because he was a trainwreck in 11-12. He was simply bad in his time with the Rangers so far.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

But you can't say his true ability was to be dominated in a given season since the standard deviation of corsi is too high to be able to accept the number as meaningful within a 95% interval. It's more of a descriptive stat than a predictive stat.

I agree. But in all of his NHL seasons, he has not done well, and this season where apparently he's gotten "so much better" the stats show that he did not get much better at all.

Again, it's like with Tanner Glass. Glass has an atrocious Corsi. That doesn't mean he can't come in and be serviceable...however, it does mean that given precedent he's gonna come in and be bad.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

But you can't say his true ability was to be dominated in a given season since the standard deviation of corsi is too high to be able to accept the number as meaningful within a 95% interval. It's more of a descriptive stat than a predictive stat.

I would take a look at that chart of teams that have won the cup/gone deep displaying their Corsi/Fenwick

Not sure where it is, sure -31- could pull it up

Its pretty damning

 

[SA16]

I would take a look at that chart of teams that have won the cup/gone deep displaying their Corsi/Fenwick

Not sure where it is, sure -31- could pull it up

Its pretty damning

But looking at a team as a whole is not the same as a player. Total TOI for the team is way way higher than it is for an individual player and you should be able to get more accurate information much faster.

 

[slipknottin]

Moore has gotten better because he was a trainwreck in 11-12. He was simply bad in his time with the Rangers so far.

And MDZ has become a train wreck after once looking promising.

How anyone can argue that MDZ is better today than Moore I have no clue. They aren't even close.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

And MDZ has become a train wreck after once looking promising.

How anyone can argue that MDZ is better today than Moore I have no clue. They aren't even close.

Considering you don't care about possession or zone starts at all, I really can't argue with you.

 

[slipknottin]

Considering you don't care about possession or zone starts at all, I really can't argue with you.

Considering your posession and zone start stats don't even show what you want them to show, I'm not sure you are capable of arguing with anyone.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Considering your posession and zone start stats don't even show what you want them to show, I'm not sure you are capable of arguing with anyone.

This literally makes no sense.

 

[slipknottin]

This literally makes no sense.

Considering you just posted that Moore has better posession numbers than MDZ it is quite amusing that you are confused.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Considering you just posted that Moore has better posession numbers than MDZ it is quite amusing that you are confused.

Do you really not comprehend zone starts and QOC?

Really?

Really?

 

[Beer League Sniper]

Considering you just posted that Moore has better posession numbers than MDZ it is quite amusing that you are confused.

Considering Moore has a higher ZS% against a lower QOC, having slightly better possession numbers than MDZ really means very little.

Neither one is all that impressive, IMO. I do think that MDZ is a slightly better player today, though. MDZ has epic, terrible lapses, but is a better defensive player 95% of the time. Moore is terrible in his own zone, but normally doesn't make that one huge mistake. Moore's errors are more in gap control and general positioning. It's easier to overlook Moore's errors as the offensive player making a great play, when they really shouldn't have had as much time or space in the first place. MDZ will look good for long stretches, then completely blow his assignment. Again, that's just my opinion.

 

[One Winged Angel]

People seriously think this? DZ was getting scratched by two teams this year. They just decided not to even attempt to resign DZ.

He's barely an nhl player at this point. I don't care what he did 2-3 years ago, it's completely irrelevant.

Then John Moore is also barely an NHL player at this point.

Which means the Rangers have much bigger problems on their hands than this pointless argument.

 

[Ail]

I don't think John Moore and DZ are all that similar. Never have I stood up in a blinding rage, kicked my coffee table, threw my laptop at my mother and ran through my storm door screaming, "DEL ZOTTO, WHAT THE **** WAS THAT!?"

Seriously. John Moore is a much more consistent and reliable defenseman on the bottom pairing than MDZ. Moore has his issues but they don't seem insurmountable in the way that MDZ made his by being one of the most mentally soft players I have ever had the displeasure of watching. All it took was one little mistake for him to implode.

 

[bubba5]

Defenseman do not mature and are usually better after 25. We did him no favors playing him as an 18 year old and stopped his development. He started out pretty good and got worse and worse over the years.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

When I'm watching the game. My Cheeks don't clinch when I'm watching moore unlike when I watched DZ

 

[Cassano]

I think MDZ would be a good buy for the Sharks. He was really good in the lockout shortened season (sans playoffs) then disastrous this past season. Anytime you have the opportunity to get a free, young asset you'll have to gamble with it.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

I think MDZ would be a good buy for the Sharks. He was really good in the lockout shortened season (sans playoffs) then disastrous this past season. Anytime you have the opportunity to get a free, young asset you'll have to gamble with it.

Especially since he's 1/16 Swedish