MDZ in SJ?

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Still too young to say he's done, but questions about his maturity yes. I think thats one of the reasons aside from his upcoming contract negotiations why the Rangers traded him. I have nothing to substantiate this but I see him as a big time party dude.

But, he's got upside. When he first joined the Rangers I saw glimpses of Scott Niedermayer in his game. Specifically his vision up the ice, the way he skates and how he can move up the ice. LEts not get ahead of ourselves though. Glimpses. Few and far between but talent there if developed correctly. Somewhere along the line that was stunted. I don't know if it was Torts, a confidence thing or what I mentioned earlier but his game went a little south, wasnt as sharp or with enough purpose. When he was playing well he was playing a talented "Del Zotto" game, his own. But that kind of went away for a long stretch of time.

If he does find himself and regain his form from a few years ago, he could turn into a solid 2nd pairing guy. He's willing to mix it up physically which was a nice part of his game and it usually coincided with the rest of his game being up. His shot can improve. A lot. He was given ample time and chances on the PP to do what the Rangers drafted him for and he couldnt get it together. He was better at threading long passes up the middle and springing breakaways then keeping pucks in at the point and getting shots on net. Even wristers which I thought he could learn how to do well. When he gets it on its not bad, but he misses the net a ton and it seems like the goals he scored could've been stopped most of the time.

Havent really missed him to be honest. Which is saying something for a 24 defenseman whos already played over 330 NHL games, 32 of them in the playoffs.
 
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You also can't forget that Del Zotto was playing 2nd pairing defenseman in 2011-2012 when we won the east. Also, that was when Staal was injured so we had McDonagh and MDZ/ Girardi and Sauer until Staal came back and Sauer got injured. Then I believe it was Staal-MDZ.

MDZ put up 41 points and was +20 that year on the 2nd pairing. He was playing confident, and while no one would claim he was elite defensively or even very good, he got the job done.

The next year, his confidence disappeared when the team struggled, and he was crap. He went downhill from there.

Ultimate, if he was good enough to be a top 4 guy, and put up 40+ points on the best team in the East, he definitely CAN be good. Is it confidence that is restricting his ability to play to his potential? Maybe. But ultimately, a team can't confidently make you a top 4 guy if you're a top 4 defenseman who puts up 40 points one game, and an AHLer the next.
 
Nope. Moore is not very good at the moment. Neither is DZ, but he's better than Moore.

DZ would look better on his natural side and paired with Klein than Moore does. For sure.

Nope. Moore can handle the game better than DZ. Bigger, faster, stronger. If he makes a mistake there's a possibility he'll catch up to it before something bad happens. That possibility doesn't exist with DZ. The other thing is Moore is $1.5--$2 mil cheaper than a qualified MDZ. Much easier to live with that.
 
Moore is already a step ahead of Del Zotto in terms of playing in his own end, consistency, and his skating. No one question's John Moore's drive and ability to get better, that's 100% a question for DZ. John Moore has more upside, and more ability today to make up for any mistakes he makes.

Del Zotto's a fragile player whose head isn't in the game a lot of the time. I've got a few personal stories involving DZ's off-ice stuff but nothing worth sharing/I would want to share on the internet. He's not the kind of guy I would want on my team. Obviously he's still young enough to mature and grow into a solid player, but I think he's done.
 
Nope. Moore is not very good at the moment. Neither is DZ, but he's better than Moore.

DZ would look better on his natural side and paired with Klein than Moore does. For sure.

I'm wondering if you ever watched del zotto.

And I'm wondering if the preds agree with you.

I know the answer to both is no.
 
Nope I just pretend to be a Rangers fan!

John Moore is not good. Neither is DZ. It doesn't really matter.

Wait.

John Moore is head and shoulders better than del zotto.

Shot. Moore.

Skating. moore

PP ability. Moore.

Physicality. Push.

Defensive play. Push.

Passing. Del zotto

Overall upside. Moore.

Contract value. Moore.
 
Having tools is nice, but if you don't do anything effective with those tools, the end result is the same. When has Moore's shot ever had a legitimate impact? DZ was the better goal scorer.

As questionable a decision maker as DZ was, John Moore is somehow worse.
 
Having tools is nice, but if you don't do anything effective with those tools, the end result is the same. When has Moore's shot ever had a legitimate impact? DZ was the better goal scorer.

As questionable a decision maker as DZ was, John Moore is somehow worse.

DZ was the better goal scorer? He took a billion shots and hit the net on five of them
 
And yet he still somehow scored more goals than John "BEST SHOT EVER OMG" Moore.

Not recently, he hasent.

I mean we are comparing a guy with 3 goals to a guy with 4. Saying Del Zotto was a great goal scorer is just plain ridiculous
 
Having tools is nice, but if you don't do anything effective with those tools, the end result is the same. When has Moore's shot ever had a legitimate impact? DZ was the better goal scorer.

As questionable a decision maker as DZ was, John Moore is somehow worse.

I remember watching Moore-DZ paired together this year for about two thirds of the season and if it wasn't one ****ing up it was the other. Running around all over the place and anytime a real scoring line got out on the ice against them it was good ****ing night. So Del Zotto leaves--Klein comes in and Moore settles right down. There might be mistakes here and there but they're now really spread out.

...then I actually had a chance to watch Nashville play and Del Zotto's running all over the place. For instance the puck is already in his end and he's in the opposite corner and then he's running out to cover the point man--chasing after the puck--he gets back to the net about the time an opponent puts it into his goal--and I'm thinking--'same old Del Zotto'. And then I'd check the Nashville box scores towards the end of the year and more often than not DZ is scratched.

When it comes to defensemen I like guys who know how to defend first. I don't expect that they'll never get beat or make mistakes but there is one thing that pisses me off and that is watching Rangers defensemen running all over their zone chasing the puck. The first two pairs don't do that. After Klein came the third pair didn't do it either. It's a big reason why we made it to the finals. Again Moore is bigger, faster, stronger and even cheaper that DZ.
 
Wait.

John Moore is head and shoulders better than del zotto.

Shot. Moore.

Skating. moore

PP ability. Moore.

Physicality. Push.

Defensive play. Push.

Passing. Del zotto

Overall upside. Moore.

Contract value. Moore.

Moore: 16 points in 74 games.

MDZ: 16 points in...67 games?

MDZ is better than John Moore. I know you like Moore and hated DZ, but Moore is not good at all.
 
Not recently, he hasent.

I mean we are comparing a guy with 3 goals to a guy with 4. Saying Del Zotto was a great goal scorer is just plain ridiculous

Del Zotto in his last 88 (last two seasons) games with the Rangers: 5 goals
John Moore in his last 87 games (all games as a Ranger): 5 goals
 
I remember watching Moore-DZ paired together this year for about two thirds of the season and if it wasn't one ****ing up it was the other. Running around all over the place and anytime a real scoring line got out on the ice against them it was good ****ing night. So Del Zotto leaves--Klein comes in and Moore settles right down. There might be mistakes here and there but they're now really spread out.

...then I actually had a chance to watch Nashville play and Del Zotto's running all over the place. For instance the puck is already in his end and he's in the opposite corner and then he's running out to cover the point man--chasing after the puck--he gets back to the net about the time an opponent puts it into his goal--and I'm thinking--'same old Del Zotto'. And then I'd check the Nashville box scores towards the end of the year and more often than not DZ is scratched.

When it comes to defensemen I like guys who know how to defend first. I don't expect that they'll never get beat or make mistakes but there is one thing that pisses me off and that is watching Rangers defensemen running all over their zone chasing the puck. The first two pairs don't do that. After Klein came the third pair didn't do it either. It's a big reason why we made it to the finals. Again Moore is bigger, faster, stronger and even cheaper that DZ.

AV gives John Moore the cushiest possible minutes you could give a d-man while still calling him a d-man.

Moore was bad this year. VERY bad. If I have to take either or, I take DZ, since at least DZ has a track record of being good.
 
I remember watching Moore-DZ paired together this year for about two thirds of the season and if it wasn't one ****ing up it was the other. Running around all over the place and anytime a real scoring line got out on the ice against them it was good ****ing night. So Del Zotto leaves--Klein comes in and Moore settles right down. There might be mistakes here and there but they're now really spread out.

...then I actually had a chance to watch Nashville play and Del Zotto's running all over the place. For instance the puck is already in his end and he's in the opposite corner and then he's running out to cover the point man--chasing after the puck--he gets back to the net about the time an opponent puts it into his goal--and I'm thinking--'same old Del Zotto'. And then I'd check the Nashville box scores towards the end of the year and more often than not DZ is scratched.

When it comes to defensemen I like guys who know how to defend first. I don't expect that they'll never get beat or make mistakes but there is one thing that pisses me off and that is watching Rangers defensemen running all over their zone chasing the puck. The first two pairs don't do that. After Klein came the third pair didn't do it either. It's a big reason why we made it to the finals. Again Moore is bigger, faster, stronger and even cheaper that DZ.

I think it's highly arguable that Moore is stronger than Del Zotto. Kid's 6'3 and I always see him getting knocked around out there like he's 5'8. DZ was definitely the more physical player.
 
AV gives John Moore the cushiest possible minutes you could give a d-man while still calling him a d-man.

Moore was bad this year. If I have to take either or, I take DZ, since at least DZ has a track record of being good.

Yeah, John Moore can only dream of being as good as DZ was in 11-12. At the moment, at least.
 
Moore: 16 points in 74 games.

MDZ: 16 points in...67 games?

MDZ is better than John Moore. I know you like Moore and hated DZ, but Moore is not good at all.

People seriously think this? DZ was getting scratched by two teams this year. They just decided not to even attempt to resign DZ.

He's barely an nhl player at this point. I don't care what he did 2-3 years ago, it's completely irrelevant.
 

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