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Confirmed with Link: McDonagh + Miller to Tampa Bay for Namestnikov + Howden + Hajek + 2018 1st + conditional 2019 1st

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I Eat Crow said:
Fun to think about.

That being said, this organization is way overdue for a 1st overall pick and a generational talent to make up for the years of getting screwed in the draft lottery.

I'm still salty about the suspicious circumstances surrounding the Crosby and Lindros draft lotteries.
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I want to believe.
 
Beacon said:
I don't like the idea that even our most Pollyannish fans think we are at best "tied" (and most our fans think we lost) while even their most negative fans think they hit a homerun. I'd like to see at least someone in Tampa say, "sucks to lose X."
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When you have an ocean losing a few buckets of water is fine.

When you have just 1 glass and are thirsty....it's a very different story.

They are a deeeeeep team with a deeeeeeep farm. It happens when you suck every other year AND draft terrific in later rounds.

We need to start being like them.
 
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stan the caddy said:
I know everyone in NY likes to blame Dolan but I think he just stays out of it and goes with whatever. That's why Sather never got fired. He's still running the show.
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I honestly believe Dolan is a great hockey owner. We've heard many times from many sources how the Rangers are a top notch organization in terms of how they treat their players. Dolan went and hired the most respected GM in the sport at the time in Glen Sather, and gave him full control of the organization. He hung with Sather when everyone called for his head, exhibiting patience. He's been willing to eat buyouts and send expensive players to the minors. He's letting us go through a rebuild rather than forcing a push to make the playoffs when we would get bounced in the first round. Yes, he's an awful basketball owner, but what else do you want out of Dolan for the Rangers?
 
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Pavel Buchnevich said:
Its debatable. There are a lot of people who preferred Raddysh to Howden.
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I think that is because people wanted a winger over another center, but going by Tampa's own fan and their rankings, Howden ranked higher.

Prospects | Bolt Prospects (Howden was ranked #2 while Raddysh was #4).

Here was another:

My end of year top 25

1. Foote
2. Howden
3. Katchouk
4. Joseph
5. Cirelli
6. Cernak
7. Raddysh
8. Erne
9. Hajek
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Though the poster also admitted if he had re-did that today that Hajek would be 5 or 6. Said he's really improved this season and had a very strong WJCs.
 
Here's the write up of the trade from Custance

New York: B

This trade caught the attention of one Eastern Conference team that inquired about McDonagh because the price ended up being less than the asking price they were told it was going to take a few days ago. So that’s an indication of how this deal evolved over the last few days.

Make no mistake, the Rangers got a big package in return for McDonagh. New York's rebuilding plan is off and running. They could end up with two first-round picks from this trade alone, and Namestnikov is having a breakout season. They got a pair of prospects with some real pedigree. But the initial impressions from a few sources around the league was slightly underwhelming.

“I’m stunned that’s all Tampa Bay had to give up,” said an assistant GM. “Miller is an upgrade on Namestnikov and the latter is going to get paid too much in (arbitration) due to who he’s played with.

That potential Namestnikov contract was a sticking point for a couple sources. There's suspicion that he's overachieving right now in part because of the talent around him in Tampa and that he'll have a hard time living up to whatever his next contract looks like.

The other sticking point was that the Rangers didn't get the best of the best Lightning prospects in this deal.
“It’s hard to determine until you see how Howden and Hajek look. That’s the variable,” said another executive. “Four years from now this deal could look very different. I would say at first glance, I thought the Rangers were getting more. That’s an instant analysis. Who knows if Howden and Hajek are playing? It might look like a really good deal for the Rangers in two or three years.”

People do seem to like Hajek, Tampa’s second-round pick in 2016. The Athletic’s Corey Pronman projects him as a four or a five defenseman.
“He was good for the Czechs,” said an Eastern Conference assistant GM of Hajek’s play in the world juniors. “He’s good. He’s a smart two-way defenseman with offensive capabilities. He has some hardness. He’s a good prospect.”
“The best prospect they gave up was Hajek,” said another talent evaluator. “The Czech kid has potential to be in the top four.”

Two talent evaluators projected Howden as a third line player at the NHL level. And that’s what keeps this big package going to New York from getting an A. They got a lot but they didn’t get the Lightning’s premier prospects, although the Rangers may disagree with that assessment.

“Hajek is a good player but he’s nowhere near what (2017 first-round pick Cal) Foote is,” said an executive. “I think they paid a big cost, but they didn’t get the best guys.”
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NHL Trade Grades: Lightning score big in adding both...
 
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Miller and McD being traded like this means that AV won and convinced GM and owners that players like Miller and leadership are the scapegoats, not the coach.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
Ultimately, JG did not get Tampa's #1 or 2 prospect.

Similar to the Stepan deal. He did not get a top organizational asset back.

Traded a 1D and a 1/2C from a contending team. Upper echelon experience and players. Couldn't secure other orgs top prospects. I refuse to applaud that. I'm not gonna say the guy got garbage either, it's but I am also not super impressed.
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Completely agree.

Getting Sergachyov or Point would've made it an excellent return. I also would've preferred Foote and Raddysh to some of those assets.

Its not like we only got back a 2nd round pick, there are a lot of good assets in the deal, but these players are secondary pieces if we turn it around. The primary players will have to come through the top of the draft.
 
Gorton better hit the biggest grand slam ever with these picks. And then fire AV. It's quite exciting to think about how important this off-season is. It will likely determine Gorton's legacy as Rangers GM.
 
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Kshahdoo said:
With Namestnikov and Buchnevich it's going to be easier to get Rykov and especially Gusev to Rangers in a year. And a few 1st round picks don't look terrible as well. I don't think all these trades were that bad, if bad at all.
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Shestyorkin, not Gusev, although if Gusev wants to sign with us in free agency, we'll add him, as well. :laugh:
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Is Howden in any top 50 lists? I don't know who regards him as an excellent prospect.
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Excellent is probably an exaggeration. I like him a lot, I'd say he's our 3rd best skater prospect outside of Lias and Chytil. He was a guy I was hoping we'd get back in a McDonagh trade. Only thing I'm not thrilled about is I wanted Foote instead of Hajek but I can live with it. It's a good deal, it's not great or a "fleecing" but then again its really hard to ripoff Stevie Y
 
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Greg02 said:
I honestly believe Dolan is a great hockey owner. We've heard many times from many sources how the Rangers are a top notch organization in terms of how they treat their players. Dolan went and hired the most respected GM in the sport at the time in Glen Sather, and gave him full control of the organization. He hung with Sather when everyone called for his head, exhibiting patience. He's been willing to eat buyouts and send expensive players to the minors. He's letting us go through a rebuild rather than forcing a push to make the playoffs when we would get bounced in the first round. Yes, he's an awful basketball owner, but what else do you want out of Dolan for the Rangers?
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I agree. They spent like crazy before the cap. He keeps his mouth shut lets the front office do its thing. Takes care of former players.

The Knicks can't get anyone to come to NY but the Rangers might be the most desirable destination for nhlers.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Completely agree.

Getting Sergachyov or Point would've made it an excellent return. I also would've preferred Foote and Raddysh to some of those assets.

Its not like we only got back a 2nd round pick, there are a lot of good assets in the deal, but these players are secondary pieces if we turn it around. The primary players will have to come through the top of the draft.
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Seems like some of these guys could be the Dubinsky's and Anisimov's used to trade for a Nash when the team is ready to take the next step.
 
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