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McFlyingV
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Davo is the f***ing man. This fanbase is truly blessed to likely see his and Draisaitl's entire career here.
ThePhoenixx
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Jimmi McJenkins
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Dale Hunter is Dale Hunter, but he past him on the all-time chart in fewer games than the difference between them.
McDavid is amazing.
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TB12
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Just looking at career points and McD will very likely pass the career totals of guys like Nicklas Backstrom, Doug Weight, Patrice Bergeron, Martin St. Louis, Daniel Sedin, Joe Pavelski, Pat Verbeek, Henri Richard, Keith Tkachuk, Henrik Sedin, outside shot at passing Theoren Fleury and Glenn Anderson THIS SEASON. Which would already move him into the top-70 all time in points.
This guy is unreal. Simply unreal.
This guy is unreal. Simply unreal.
frag2
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This. I just wish he would be a bit more selfish and quit trying to be the 'better teammate' to get scrubs going. Imagine how many points he'd have if he didn't pass one off to the Ryans and Browns on the team and made the shot himself
brentashton
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Love watching McDavid play and along the way seeing his point totals grow, season and career.
Heard an interesting “fact” the other day on a sports pod (thinking it was Steve Valiquette on the Kyper/Bourne show, but don’t quote me for sure).
In the years that Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovechkin all won SCs they all had some of the lowest point scoring totals of their careers. Implication being that they focused moreso on overall team defense and play, versus personal stats, on their way to a championship. Stamkos, Kuch, McKinnon weren’t named because I think it was just a flippant comment made, versus a deep dive statistical analysis of all SC winners in say the past 20 years.
Has anyone ever seen an analysis such as this? Wouldn’t be hard to create I guess.
Jimmi McJenkins
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Holy shit, these are mid 1980s totals
Stoneman89
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I hear you but that unselfishness is one of the traits that make guys want to go through the wall with and for him.
Fourier
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I think quite a few of us had the pleasure to watch Gretzky during his time in Edmonton. While he will always be the GOAT for me, I must say McDavid's combination of skill and speed makes him for me the most exciting player I have ever watched. Gretzky was often subtle. McDavid at full tilt is something else.
The Oilers should use this exact metric when they ask McDavid to re-up here. The two of them have history making numbers, no other duo in the league is even close.
Fourier
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Gretzky and Kurri 1980-81 to 1987-88 2380 points. But I doubt many 80's pairs would have even been much ahead of McDavid/Draisaitl. A remarkable accomplishment.
Joke stat of the day:
McDavid currently sits outside of the top 100 in penalties drawn this year.
McDavid currently sits outside of the top 100 in penalties drawn this year.
Bryanbryoil
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does anyone have a clue why McDavid‘s play is clearly a notch below the last two regular seasons?
I mean he is still great but usually he was a lock to win the art ross and now again there are a couple of guys with higher scoring rates.
Also his goals per season dropp off is remarkable.
Is this concerning or not?
I mean he is still great but usually he was a lock to win the art ross and now again there are a couple of guys with higher scoring rates.
Also his goals per season dropp off is remarkable.
Is this concerning or not?
He's always been a slow starter, with his best historical regular season production being in March, followed by April, followed by February.
My concern level is essentially zero. He's literally 4th in ppg and will climb as the season wears on.
Fourier
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Last year he played virtually the whole year with what was probably a significant core injury. I think that hurt his goal totals.
The issue is more that others are scoring at a very high pace. McDavid's 82 game pace right now is 127 points. His goals pace over 82 games is 42. And that is with a very slow start. Since Nov 1 he has put up 1.84 pts/g and .63g/gm. Given that McDavid traditionally has been better in the second half I am not concerned!
Aerchon
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McDavid legacy in Edmonton imo is based more on if he does sign to remain an Oiler even more so than if he wins a cup. He wants to be "considered" the best player ever he obviously needs to continue/improve his play but just by signing in Edmonton he would cement his legacy and give himself a legitimate shot for the rest of his career to win and rewrite the history books.
Aka, if McDavid resigns here... McDavid >>> Gretzky. Nuff said. You can get technical and adjust for time periods... but if he signs here he really does take top spot likely literally and absolutely figuratively.
This segways into Fouriers great point. The league has made it easier to score again. Not 1970/80s easy but easier. I need to watch Mckinnon more, my viewings sporadic the last 2 years but... No one seriously thinks Mckinnon is better than McDavid. Points are points but McDavid is a step better talent imo. I see Kutch more than Mckinnon and can say the same for him. Both superstars that dominate the game and can absolutely outscore McDavid but not as talented overall and this is noted by players fans etc... McDavids Conn Smyth (I wouldn't have given him) was truly deserved. What he did was amazing last year and that, plus many other things, has him currently and projecting forward as the best player in his generation at least and arguably goat.
Consistently in this league is tough. Look at Matthew's so far this year as example. Or Pasta. Both when they struggle to score at an elite level just... "look" terrible imo. McDavid, when playing "poorly" for him still looks like "just" a superstar who still puts up 1.2 ppg at worst.
One thing I want too see is McDavid to put it all together one year, preferably playoffs. Last year if he scores 1 more goal it's likely a cup. 2 obviously in the last game actually a cup. His elite playmaking from last year plus his elite goal scoring from 2 years back plus his very inconsistent 2 way game that sometimes looks next level, other times not so much.
A generational superstar widely considered the best player in the world that still "could" take even another step... Sick.
One final point that I have to point out... So many people say Draisaitl is a product of McDavid but as an even bigger Draisaitl fan over McDavid I can't believe anyone doesn't think... Draisaitl, for example right now and often in previous playoff runs, makes McDavid look downright pedestrian. Unreal to say but absolutely true. Point in case Draisaitl recent run.
Oilers fans are so blessed. I firmly believe they have the 2 best players on the planet. That changes even game by game between the 2. Neither relies on the other. Their playstyle is so different and both can carry a team on their back. So incredibly rare to see two such individuals on one team. I hope they manage to resign McDavid up for a historic dbl superstar full career tenure in Edmonton.
Edit: I have to think Draisaitl having the ability to carry a team reduces the stress McDavid puts on himself considerably. McDavid is driven to the point where he looks like he is going to "pop". Imagine if he went to a team without that support. Guy might have an aneurism.
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He looks much better and healthier than last season. He did start very slow this year, but we've turned a corner.
Stoneman89
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I think you can also credit some other guys in the league for relativity. Kucherov matched him in the 100 assist milestone last year and had a video game like points total. And MacKinnon was right up there as well, due to finally having nearly a whole season of being healthy. As to his goal totals, I think he is deferring a whole lot more with the increased talent level on the team, but in my mind, he's always been more of a passer than shooter type of talent.
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