McDavid v. Makar

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Mcdavid didn't go to college

I was talking about Makar. I thought you were stating that all of Makar's teams have won a championship.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

I'm taking makar. I get mcdavid is a dynamo offensively. But any of his teams whether that's junior or the nhl have won a championship. And maybe that's not a coincidence

This^ is an embarrassingly low-information post. He just came off of a historic playoff run, where you could not have asked anything more of him, and you present the Q-level hypothesis that maybe he's been the problem all along.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Again were comparing players that are In the same tier. Throwing Justin Williams and players of that mold isn't an argument. When makar just won the norris and smythe in the same season and likely has many more norrises to come

Oh, so there IS a threshold for comparison.

Okay. I'm taking the guy who DID win four Art Ross trophies and placed second twice, rather than the guy who is pRoBaBLy going to win "many more" Norrises until future notice.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I was talking about Makar. I thought you were stating that all of Makar's teams have won a championship.

No I'm saying that none of mcdavids have. Not sure about his triple aaa days or w.e. talking about ohl and nhl (so far) all those scoring finishes but what does that really do in the grand scheme of things? When your on that level you have to win period. It's the standard that all the true greats have. For example marcel dionne. Who was a great player but is never seen in top 20 discussions. Throw In some championships with a pmvp or 2 and were having that discussion easily. Right now mcdavid is easily the best player of all time without a ring. He's still only 25 so there's time and he will win one day probably. The true greats always do

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

This^ is an embarrassingly low-information post. He just came off of a historic playoff run, where you could not have asked anything more of him, and you present the Q-level hypothesis that maybe he's been the problem all along.

If you want to think that go ahead. One of his teams have not won anything yet. And that's a fact.

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Can’t fault anyone for going either way.

McDavid has been the consensus top player in the league for quite some time and got over the playoff hurdle this year, in terms of individual performance.

Makar is off to the best start of a career by a defenceman in the cap era.

I think a lot of people prefer building around centre’s, but there’s also a lot of value in throwing out a defenceman that can play half the game in the playoffs.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I'm taking makar. I get mcdavid is a dynamo offensively. But any of his teams whether that's junior or the nhl have won a championship. And maybe that's not a coincidence

Of course you’re not taking McDavid. That would actually be shocking.

If you want to think that go ahead. One of his teams have not won anything yet. And that's a fact.

No shit. It’s like the game is a team sport, coming from the guy who always points out how Gretzky benefited from a stacked team to win.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

No I'm saying that none of mcdavids have. Not sure about his triple aaa days or w.e. talking about ohl and nhl (so far) all those scoring finishes but what does that really do in the grand scheme of things? When your on that level you have to win period. It's the standard that all the true greats have. For example marcel dionne. Who was a great player but is never seen in top 20 discussions. Throw In some championships with a pmvp or 2 and were having that discussion easily. Right now mcdavid is easily the best player of all time without a ring. He's still only 25 so there's time and he will win one day probably. The true greats always do

Won a world juniors but you’ll leave that out because you’re on this stupid team achievement thing.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Won a world juniors but you’ll leave that out because you’re on this stupid team achievement thing.

Was he the mvp of that tourney?

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Was he the mvp of that tourney?

That’s not what you said.

You said that his teams have never won anything.

Now you’re shifting. I think it’s hilarious when it comes to Gretzky vs Lemieux, you state how Gretzky wasn’t as good cause his teams were stacked.

But when it comes to this? Nah, it’s all about team success that’s what counts.

You have the most simple view on how great a player is if you’re ranking on team achievements exclusively. If that’s the case, you know Lemieux is vastly inferior to Gretzky, by your logic.

At least be consistent with your hypocrisy.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

If you want to think that go ahead. One of his teams have not won anything yet. And that's a fact.

Curious George's caretaker has a yellow hat. And that's a fact.

Do you know what it has in common with your fact? Neither explains why you would suggest that McDavid is the reason for the Oilers not winning the Stanley Cup.

 

[OilWagon]

Won a world juniors but you’ll leave that out because you’re on this stupid team achievement thing.

Also won u18 almost doubling anyone on his team in scoring.

 

[Hisch13r]

McDavid because he’s McDavid. This isn’t a hard choice.

 

[Paul4587]

Cups/ Conn Smythe
Makar 1 of each
Mcdavid 0
Norris 1 and second place not including rookie year.

Last time I checked winning Cups and Smythes relied on your organization having a competent management team who can build a team with enough quality pieces around you to win.

Oilers don’t have that, the Avs do.

Did Justin Williams dominate mcdavid head to head in a series while winning the Smythe with the best playoff by a d man in say 30 years?

McDavid put up 7 points in 4 games. That’s hardly being dominated. Give McDavid a d core that’s equivalent to the Avs forward core and the Oilers dominate that series.

 

[Zach716]

If you aren’t taking McDavid you’re just overthinking it. It’s not that difficult

 

[Northern Avs Fan]

Last time I checked winning Cups and Smythes relied on your organization having a competent management team who can build a team with enough quality pieces around you to win.

Oilers don’t have that, the Avs do.



McDavid put up 7 points in 4 games. That’s hardly being dominated. Give McDavid a d core that’s equivalent to the Avs forward core and the Oilers dominate that series.

Nonsense.

The Oilers have plenty of quality pieces around McDavid. This narrative that the Oilers don’t have a supporting cast around him is false.

Just completely taking away any credit from Makar in driving his team to a Stanley Cup is just silly too. That’s literally the goal of playing the sport. It was one of the all-time great playoff performances by a defenceman.

 

[Ignite111]

Cups/ Conn Smythe
Makar 1 of each
Mcdavid 0
Norris 1 and second place not including rookie year.

Let’s be a little fair here. Put McD on avs this year they win the cup. Put Makar on the Oilers they still don’t win the cup.

 

[abo9]

Makar has a Conn Smythe, Cup (both awards heavily tean dependant) and a Norris. Makar is arguably the best defenseman in the NHL

McDavid got 2 Hart, 3 Ted Lindsay and 4 Arr Rosses. He's the de facto best player (forward) in the NHL.

Individually McDavid > Makar.
+ McDavid had arguably better playoffs than Makar this year, can't outplay a whole team by himself though

Did Justin Williams dominate mcdavid head to head in a series while winning the Smythe with the best playoff by a d man in say 30 years?

That's just plain wrong. McDavid scored at the same rate against Colorado as in the previous series. The difference was that Colorado had a better team than Edmonton plain and simple.

 

[McJedi]

Makar is the NHLs best player.

McDavid put some playoff points on pathetic teams like the Kings but once he had to play a legit team, Makar and the Avs easily dispatched him.

Seeing Mcdavid try to walk around Makar only for Cale to easily poke check it away. Then see Makar again easily skate and pull away from a forechecking Mcdavid was just visually obvious.

 

[Foppberg]

I'm a Homer.

Makar.

 

[Rengorlex]

McDavid put some playoff points on pathetic teams like the Kings but once he had to play a legit team, Makar and the Avs easily dispatched him.

Weird how Edmonton outscored Colorado when they shared the ice then. Makar was on ice for 6 of McDavid's 7 points.

 

[PROGFAN66]

McDavid is the best triple threat player in the sport with the puck, meaning puck carrier, passing and shooting in the sport. Makar is the best triple threat defensemen in the sport with the puck.

McDavid is improving both on face offs over 50% wining percentage this year and is improving defensively. No one in the league gets more attention from opposing defensive teams than McDavid.

 

[snipes]

Makar is the NHLs best player.

McDavid put some playoff points on pathetic teams like the Kings but once he had to play a legit team, Makar and the Avs easily dispatched him.

Seeing Mcdavid try to walk around Makar only for Cale to easily poke check it away. Then see Makar again easily skate and pull away from a forechecking Mcdavid was just visually obvious.

McDavid outscored Makar when they were on the ice together

 

[Puckstop40]

McDavid without thinking twice about it. Love Makar but McDavid is the best hockey player in the world right now and has been for a while.

 

[Eltuna]

McDavid outscored Makar when they were on the ice together

The only series McDavid has ever had with such poor possession metrics was the Anaheim series when he was still very young. Colorado had really bad goaltending so he still put up points but make no mistake, it’s been years since he went up against a player and got dominated in producing scoring chances.

The two coaches told the story, Edmonton did everything in their power to get McDavid away from Makar and Colorado did everything they could do to get Makar out there against McDavid. It’s very rare for McDavid to lose the shots/scoring chances/possession battle like he did against Makar.