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Post-Game Talk: McDavid took that personally

If we meet the blues in the playoffs we need Jones in the 1st game to run Binner a few times get him him going. Shocking how no one has pummeled him.
 
Jimmi McJenkins said:
Kulak lead the team in ice time with over 29 mins, he's just been great this year.

What a big win
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Very good game but he's struggled a lot in the second half of this season, easily his worst stretch as an Oiler IMO.
With that said, if he can rev it up for the playoffs like he usually does then we couldn't care less about his regular season struggles. Same goes for all the other underperforming/underwhelming vets.
 
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Dirk Dangler said:
I be liked that answer. Not just a cliche, typical answer. He figured, since there was an open spot in the roster he may as well try it out and see how he felt after a couple shifts. Could always shut it down and no harm done.

He looked the best he’s looked in a long while. Had some good jump and a spring in his step.
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Only McDavid could go for a practice skate in a real game against a good team and still net 3 assists. What a boss and we should savor every moment this player is donning the jersey of our favorite team.
 
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Drivesaitl said:
You didn't follow my point at all. Covid hit the world as a Novel virus. So of course there was no built immunity to it. Of course it was going to be a big epidemic with its contagion. I wasn't diminishing the threat of that one specifically, albeit there was a lot of misinformation about the Covid Virus as well.

Next you're obviously misrepresenting that many young people died here of Covid because this is outright lying. These are the Canadian stats.

www.statista.com

Number of COVID-19 deaths by age Canada 2023 | Statista

As of May 2, 2023, of 34,206 COVID-19 cases deceased in Canada, around 4,058 were aged 60 to 69 years.
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So through the whole pandemic, through all of Canada, 61 youth died of Covid, some of those having other premorbid conditions. So your bolded comment is BS.

But the Newscasts today are panicking about Measles. Something theres been all kinds of built immunity to, something theres been vaccine for the last 50yrs. But the scaremongering media are trying to get people freaked out. Its like they took their Covid big virus charts and made a couple changes and roll it out like its the same sort of impending catastrophe. Its just the news trying to say "Fire" all day everyday.
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The issue that causes the concern with the measles is that it is insanely infectious. It has a secondary attack rate of over 90% which means that if it gets into a family of unvaccinated people they are all going to get it. And since for younger people 1 in 4-5 end up in the hospital that is not something you really want to get out of hand. Not many will die, generally 1 in 1000 or so, but people can get very sick and have complications later in life. Measles are roughly 10 times as infectious as the original covid virus, and about 3-5 times as infectious as the omicron variants. The big plus with measles is that it has been stable and has not mutated to evade immunity. This is where covid has a big advantage since it is a very efficient virus. But the real reason for all the news is not the threat to the broad public but rather the potential catastrophic consequences of growing vaccine hesitancy and misinformation.

You previously mentioned SARS, H1N1 and H1N5. I live not so far from the SARS ground zero in Canada. SARS was a very deadly virus killing more than 10% of those it infected. But it was not very infectious. And this combination tends to kill off outbreaks quickly. Dead patients don't allow a virus to mutate as much! But like other coronaviruses there was still a chance it could have mutated at any time to be more infectious like covid did without losing much of its virility. Had that happened we would have been in big trouble.

H1N1 was a real pandemic. The current estimate is up to 1.4B people may have been infected. The reason it was considered a big deal was that it was an earlier version of H1N1 which caused 50 million deaths in 1918. But the good news as that many of us had residual immunity that can probably be traced back to that pandemic which kept this version of H1N1 under control. H1N5 and H1N9 are concerning because they are very deadly and have started to show an unexpected pace of mutations that allowing it to skip to other species. And it is retaining a high mortality rate in some (50+%). On the other hand in cows the mortality rate is only about 2% which is about what covid was in the first wave. This is not all good though because it also carries a risk of cows becoming mutation factories.
 
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CupofOil said:
Very good game but he's struggled a lot in the second half of this season, easily his worst stretch as an Oiler IMO.
With that said, if he can rev it up for the playoffs like he usually does then we couldn't care less about his regular season struggles. Same goes for all the other underperforming/underwhelming vets.
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I think some of his 2nd half struggles come along with the overall team struggles and the down tick in Emberson's overall play. That said, despite the 3rd goal, I though Emberson has his best game in a while when the team REALLY needed it.
 
Cloned said:
Also you can say Pickard would like that third goal back, but he made some big saves down the stretch.
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That one wasn't great. But IMO it wasn't even his worst of the night. He kinda got caught wrong footed (minor error 1) on the shot, so he only just gets a fully extended toe on it. No stick to knife it away (minor error 2). But he's fully stretched, so he can't reload to push across for the rebound... didn't have his left knee under him enough to bear stabilizing weight, reset/resquare his extended leg, lift his left and push. So by then he's just fishing to get a stick on the rebound, that's a low probability of recovery at that point.

I also wasn't a huge fan of Kyrou's goal (2nd goal). He gets points for coming out well, but he didn't get set. Because of that, if you saw the head-on angle (NHL.com not showing on the goal highlight), you'll see that he initially goes down as though he thinks it is going stick side, not glove... whether he just didn't pick it up (it was a decent shot), or was just guessing... either way, by the time he adjusts, he's again off balance and so he can't even extend his leg fully... too much weight was on that leg to quickly free it up to extend.

However neither of those goals are as bad as our game winner. Binner just completely over commits to the idea that Brown is going to drag across. He leaves the near post exposed and isn't balanced enough in his butterfly to even allow him to lift his right knee to extend to make what should have been a pretty easy save. I'd be furious with myself on that one.

This is the thing with me... many of the goalie critics around here just react based on emotion, with next to zero actual assessment of what went wrong on a particular goal.

All goalies let in bad goals, but many only see it through our own Oiler-biased lens. All the goals we score are beauties and all the goals we let up are garbage. That's not a recipe for accurate assessment of our goaltending. I feel like we'd have to go back at least a few games to find a goal as bad as the one Binner gave up on our game winner last night, but it won't even get a mention around here... unless we'd actually traded for the guy - then we'd be hanging him by his toenails.
 
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stewy04 said:
If we meet the blues in the playoffs we need Jones in the 1st game to run Binner a few times get him him going. Shocking how no one has pummeled him.
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What makes you think Jones is capable of running anyone? Outside of his first game he hasnt really dished out any big hits that I can remember. He hasnt been a + player in any game as an Oiler.
What a waste of assets for us and a waste of a 1st round pick for ANA.

Podkolzin on the other hand has been a monster physically.
 
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Draiskull said:
What makes you think Jones is capable of running anyone? Outside of his first game he hasnt really dished out any big hits that I can remember. He hasnt been a + player in any game as an Oiler.
What a waste of assets for us and a waste of a 1st round pick for ANA.

Podkolzin on the other hand has been a monster physically.
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probably said it because Jones crashed Binnington last night
 
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tiger_80 said:
Will be McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, Hyman, Arvidsson, Skinner, Henrique, Brown, Podkolzin, Perry, Janmark with the remaining spot going to Kane or Frederic (assuming either can play). If both can't play, then it is Ryan, Jones, Philp.
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We may go with both Frederic and Kane, it being playoffs and us wanting more physicality. We didn't trade for Frederic to scratch him, and are we saying no to a healthy and motivated Kane?

Of course this assumes that either player is fully ready of course.

I'd think we go with Kapanen as 14th on the depth chart unless Philp keeps playing great.
 
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Jimmi McJenkins said:
No, Carlo isn't very good. Walman is better.
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Carlo would be replacing Klingberg\Emberson on the right side and pushing Bouchard down in defensive zone situations.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Kulak
Walman-Carlo
Stecher

This looks like a defensive core on a contender. What we currently have is below league average even with Ekholm back.
 
Fourier said:
The issue that causes the concern with the measles is that it is insanely infectious. It has a secondary attack rate of over 90% which means that if it gets into a family of unvaccinated people they are all going to get it. And since for younger people 1 in 4-5 end up in the hospital that is not something you really want to get out of hand. Not many will die, generally 1 in 1000 or so, but people can get very sick and have complications later in life. Measles are roughly 10 times as infectious as the original covid virus, and about 3-5 times as infectious as the omicron variants. The big plus with measles is that it has been stable and has not mutated to evade immunity. This is where covid has a big advantage since it is a very efficient virus. But the real reason for all the news is not the threat to the broad public but rather the potential catastrophic consequences of growing vaccine hesitancy and misinformation.

You previously mentioned SARS, H1N1 and H1N5. I live not so far from the SARS ground zero in Canada. SARS was a very deadly virus killing more than 10% of those it infected. But it was not very infectious. And this combination tends to kill off outbreaks quickly. Dead patients don't allow a virus to mutate as much! But like other coronaviruses there was still a chance it could have mutated at any time to be more infectious like covid did without losing much of its virility. Had that happened we would have been in big trouble.

H1N1 was a real pandemic. The current estimate is up to 1.4B people may have been infected. The reason it was considered a big deal was that it was an earlier version of H1N1 which caused 50 million deaths in 1918. But the good news as that many of us had residual immunity that can probably be traced back to that pandemic which kept this version of H1N1 under control. H1N5 and H1N9 are concerning because they are very deadly and have started to show an unexpected pace of mutations that allowing it to skip to other species. And it is retaining a high mortality rate in some (50+%). On the other hand in cows the mortality rate is only about 2% which is about what covid was in the first wave. This is not all good though because it also carries a risk of cows becoming mutation factories.
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Good post. @Drivesaitl and @Fourier ... you know I like this topic.

On SARS-CoV2: earlier on in the pandemic, the relative rate of "young people"... and by young, I mean prime of life in their 40's parent-aged people were dying at a rate that was concerning. As vaccines were available (and or herd immunity), this age group stopped dying and the majority of deaths became more concentrated in the older and more feeble. Drivesaitl is right, it was never children dying... but "young" very definitely until they had some semblance of baseline immunity. That graph would have looked a lot different in the first 5 months of the pandemic.

Measles: the alarm bells are going off only because, as Fourier points out, it is HIGHLY contagious and because there are large portions of the population who decided not to be vaccinated.

H1N1: At the time, I worked with an MD-virologist who was called down to Mexico by his former classmate (then the minister of health)... he was terrified. He witnessed med students (plural) in their 20's die on the emergency room floor while trying to treat sick patients. A big part of that was a lack of immunity to prior similar versions of H1N1... young people hadn't seen anything close enough, older people had. If I recall, this particular H1N1 was traced back to swine, not cows.
 
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Draiskull said:
Carlo would be replacing Klingberg\Emberson on the right side and pushing Bouchard down in defensive zone situations.

Ekholm-Bouchard
Nurse-Kulak
Walman-Carlo
Stecher

This looks like a defensive core on a contender. What we currently have is below league average even with Ekholm back.
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Did you see what the Leafs gave up for Carlo? What a waste of assets for a 3RD. This team's defense is great, especially when healthy, now.
 
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