Proposal: McDavid to NYI for Barzal, Beauvillier (25% retained), unprotected 2022 1st

[Bretzkey]

How dare you!!!

 

[mm11]

Why does anyone think the Isles will beat out literally every other team in the NHL if McDavid somehow becomes available?

The Isles couldn’t even get Panarin to sign for free when there was only a handful of teams that could afford him lmao

Uncle Lou prefers 4th liners over quality assets like Toews so I’m not sure how you expect to outbid teams that are properly managed and have a plethora of attractive assets that the Oilers will prefer over one year of Barzal lol

Barzal will be RFA next year. Why assuming one year ? Please advise and thank you

 

[Ciao]

Wow. Fantasy Island.

 

[Riseonfire]

Wahlstrom, Dobson, Sorokin, 1st. Then add salsry as necessary.

In the Salary Cap era, McDavid is not worth spending those assets, even if he is the unquestionable best player in the league.

 

[Bob and 200 others]

Barzal, Wahlstrom, Dobson, Sorokin, '22 1st, '23 1st.

 

[Bob and 200 others]

pretty sure Barzal would put up 80-90 points (maybe more) playing run and gun Oil hockey. Kid is 24, won NHL hardware had a plus point per game season as a 20 year old rookie and won many playoff games and rounds in his short NHL career. Not a bad starting point to a McJesus deal, ofcourse Isles would need to add more but just saying....

Yep, just like Tavares became a 90-100pt player on the run and gun TML...

/Shit that never happened

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Barzal, Wahlstrom, Dobson, Sorokin, '22 1st, '23 1st.

Isles don't do this. Isles don't do any trade that involves Sorokin, basically.

It's overkill anyway. Isles aren't going to sell more tickets with McDavid than they would with the players above. They just opened a new arena and are set as far as sold-out attendance for the next couple of years.'

 

[rocketdan9]

Only way McDavid gets traded is if he asks for a trade and even then other teams would beat this offer.

IF that ever happens Edm will still lose the trade because you will never get anywhere near the McDavid value

It depends what they get back

If Oilers got a package including McKinnon ... that is a pretty hefty piece. Or Auston Matthews. Or Pasta + McAvoy

Even with the considered best player in the league. The Oiler is on a down spiral. What is the point of having the best player then?

A company hires some of the brightest execs. Yet cant barely make a profit. How viable is such business

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

How often was Gretzky losing scoring races and Hart trophies to his teammate?

Guys like Puljujarvi and Hyman are perfectly suitable top 6 wingers.

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto

That's a perfectly fine top 6. Plus they have Nurse and Bouchard as solid D puck movers.

If McDavid were modern day Gretzky he'd be lapping the competition every year.

Your takes in this thread are so bad, you need to take a timeout. Since all you seem to care about/bring up when putting McDavid down is points lets start there.

Zach Hyman is a solid gritty player who I actually like but lets not make him into some elite winger option. He has a career high of 41 points and scores at about a 45 point clip per season.

Puljujarvi has a career high in points this year already (25) and before this year was scoring at a 26 point clip per season.

Yamamoto has a career high of 26 points and scoring at a 37 point clip per season.

None of those players are perfectly suitable top 6 options, maybe a case can be made for Hyman but McDavid & Drai are literally being asked to do everything for the Oilers offensively.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

Almost any trade for McDavid will end up looking like a quality vs quantity trade. One team guts its future/present and the other loses the best in the league.

No fan base is happy.

 

[mm11]

Yep, just like Tavares became a 90-100pt player on the run and gun TML...

/Shit that never happened

Were you aware Barzal out runned and gunned Tavares as a 20 year old rook on the same team and already put up 85 points? Sorry if Tavares plays for a soft stacked offensive team and cant get to that plateau, but to say Barzal would not may be fools gold. Just my 2 cents. cheers

 

[Bob and 200 others]

Isles don't do this. Isles don't do any trade that involves Sorokin, basically.

It's overkill anyway. Isles aren't going to sell more tickets with McDavid than they would with the players above. They just opened a new arena and are set as far as sold-out attendance for the next couple of years.'

That's the point! The only offer that would get Edm to seriously consider moving Mcdavid is one you wouldn't want to make.

 

[Smartguy]

Isles don't do this. Isles don't do any trade that involves Sorokin, basically.

It's overkill anyway. Isles aren't going to sell more tickets with McDavid than they would with the players above. They just opened a new arena and are set as far as sold-out attendance for the next couple of years.'

This is wack. One of the craziest things I’ve ever read on this board.

1. If Mcdavid is on the table there is zero chance, I mean absolutely zero, that the NYI hang up would be Sorokin, laughable that people think there would be an untouchable on the other side of a Mcdavid trade.

2. Google the Oilers profits since Mcdavid has joined the team, this is from a team that was still selling out the barn before they drafted him. They are hanging I believe in the top 10 of the league despite being a small market, if not top 15, this is 1000% because of Mcdavid. Teams make their money off more then ticket sales. So to say that Mcdavid wouldn’t make more money for the Islanders, a New York team, is just as crazy as point 1.
edit: I did the research for you, Edmonton was the 7th most valuable franchise according to Forbes in 2020. The islanders were the 10th, you don’t honk they move into the top 5 with Mcdavid? And their owners wouldn’t love that? For reference the team down the road from Edmonton barely scraped up half of Edmonton’s valuation. Just to put into perspective Mcdavid for the most part.

If this deal went down, which it wont, it’s the type of deal we are still talking about 30 years from now, it would be massive. Where one team essentially guts it’s roster to take him on. A Barzal, Wahlstrom, Dobson, Sorokin package would be the type of return. Look at what Eichel just returned? A 25 Year old 60-70 point winger with a good contract, a top prospect, + more. He had injury issues and concerns and is worth about half of what Mcdavid brings to a team.

The Oilers owner would never sign off on it which is why it’s outlandish, not because a team wouldn’t trade a player in return, or doesn’t think it makes their team more marketable.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Your takes in this thread are so bad, you need to take a timeout. Since all you seem to care about/bring up when putting McDavid down is points lets start there.

TIL saying that McDavid is not Gretzky is "putting him down".

Zach Hyman is a solid gritty player who I actually like but lets not make him into some elite winger option. He has a career high of 41 points and scores at about a 45 point clip per season.

Who said he was an elite winger?

Puljujarvi has a career high in points this year already (25) and before this year was scoring at a 26 point clip per season.

He's also a former 4th overall pick with 25 points in 34 games this year, while bringing a lot more to the table. He's absolutely a top 6 winger at this point in his career.

Yamamoto has a career high of 26 points and scoring at a 37 point clip per season.

Career high of 26 points in only 27 games. He definitely has to skill to be a complementary top 6 winger. He'd have a lot more points if he was given opportunities to play on the PP.

None of those players are perfectly suitable top 6 options, maybe a case can be made for Hyman but McDavid & Drai are literally being asked to do everything for the Oilers offensively.

Yeah, they are asked to play the entire PP, must really hurt their offensive output.

Maybe other guys would have more a chance to contribute to the team's offense if they were given a chance on the PP?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

This is an absolutely brutal offer. Not even close.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

We'll give you Griffin Reinhart (I'm sure we can sign him cheap) and a 2nd. You keep your 1st.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

This is wack. One of the craziest things I’ve ever read on this board.

1. If Mcdavid is on the table there is zero chance, I mean absolutely zero, that the NYI hang up would be Sorokin, laughable that people think there would be an untouchable on the other side of a Mcdavid trade.

2. Google the Oilers profits since Mcdavid has joined the team, this is from a team that was still selling out the barn before they drafted him. They are hanging I believe in the top 10 of the league despite being a small market, if not top 15, this is 1000% because of Mcdavid. Teams make their money off more then ticket sales. So to say that Mcdavid wouldn’t make more money for the Islanders, a New York team, is just as crazy as point 1.

If this deal went down, which it wont, it’s the type of deal we are still talking about 30 years from now, it would be massive. Where one team essentially guts it’s roster to take him on. A Barzal, Wahlstrom, Dobson, Sorokin package would be the type of return. Look at what Eichel just returned? A 25 Year old 60-70 point winger with a good contract, a top prospect, + more. He had injury issues and concerns and is worth about half of what Mcdavid brings to a team.

The Oilers owner would never sign off on it which is why it’s outlandish, not because a team wouldn’t trade a player in return, or doesn’t think it makes their team more marketable.

It's not "wack" at all. The Isles are set for the next five years with a top 10 goaltender in the league. Giving him up, plus a winger with a tremendous shot, plus the only puck-moving defensemen with PP skills plus a first line center and picks is absurd.

What does it do for the Isles? What needle does it move?

They're coming off two ECF's, have a brand new arena that's sold out for the next couple of years. They don't need the ancillary revenue. The arena and team are a pet project for a real estate mogul and another owner that wants to win a Cup.

Gutting the franchise to bring in McDavid doesn't do anything about winning and they're making money as is.

And yeah, it would be a deal we would be talking about for 30 years. The Isles fans would be talking about how the franchise was gutted right when they had it turned around. It'd be a Maloney-Milbury type of stupidity.

Might be the only move in franchise history that'd get either Maloney or Milbury off the hook for worst Isles transaction in history.

 

[bucks_oil]

pretty sure Barzal would put up 80-90 points (maybe more) playing run and gun Oil hockey. Kid is 24, won NHL hardware had a plus point per game season as a 20 year old rookie and won many playoff games and rounds in his short NHL career. Not a bad starting point to a McJesus deal, ofcourse Isles would need to add more but just saying....

The "Oilers" don't play run and gun hockey. They don't have the depth for that.

They play "run them into exhaustion" hockey with their two forwards. Who put up points DESPITE a lack of supporting cast around them.

Barzal's points would go down in Edmonton. McDrai put up those points because they truly are 2 of the top 3 forwards in the league and they do it IN SPITE OF the quality of hockey that is played around them in Edmonton.

 

[Rebels57]

Only 11 points in 13 games on a team with absolutely zero supporting cast aside from Draisaitl and RNH? Really? Yea, 125-130 points is something to scoff at. Only turned 25 and is doing this. He is modern Gretzky. Look at the guys ahead of him and the teams they are on. Oh, I notice one of them is his teammate. They literally have to carry the offense nightly. It's unheard of.

He's just the best offensive player in the NHL today. That doesnt make him modern Gretz. He's not nearly that dominant.

 

[mm11]

The "Oilers" don't play run and gun hockey. They don't have the depth for that.

They play "run them into exhaustion" hockey with their two forwards. Who put up points DESPITE a lack of supporting cast around them.

Barzal's points would go down in Edmonton. McDrai put up those points because they truly are 2 of the top 3 forwards in the league and they do it IN SPITE OF the quality of hockey that is played around them in Edmonton.

The Oil focus on stifling defense? Inquiring minds want to know...

 

[ML19]

This is embarrassing as an Isles fan. Barzal Beau and a 1st? Come on man you knew this thread wouldn't go well.

It would take all of our key assets for EDM to even consider trading Mcdavid to the Islanders and at that point it's a bad move for the Isles.

 

[ML19]

Barzal
Pelech or Pulock
Wahlstrom or Dobson
A few prospects & 1st round picks MAYBE gets EDM on the phone, but it still doesn't get done.

 

[bucks_oil]

The Oil focus on stifling defense? Inquiring minds want to know...

Oilers aren't focused on anything right now except for feeling sorry for themselves... since you asked.

McDrai don't score because of anything "oilers". They score because they are virtuoso talents who have very little choice but to play as virtuosos or at best a duo.

This is not an environment where a lesser player would excel, just because Oilers. It's a ridiculous notion.

 

[mm11]

Oilers aren't focused on anything right now except for feeling sorry for themselves... since you asked.

McDrai don't score because of anything "oilers". They score because they are virtuoso talents who have very little choice but to play as virtuosos or at best a duo.

This is not an environment where a lesser player would excel, just because Oilers. It's a ridiculous notion.

feel your pain on the tough season, but it's no secret the #1 focus on the Island is stifling defense. Never mentioned a certain player would get more points on the Oil means excelling in that environment.

 

[TFHockey]

This thread should die a quick, painless death. Lock it up!