Proposal: McDavid to LA

[Vancouver Canucks]

This seems like more of a package appropriate for Artturi Lehkonen.

I don't know about that.

 

[McFlyingV]

Real good offer for the games #1 player . I would like to see a goalie in there but I would accept this offer . Those prospect and picks add to Holloway , Bourgault , Broberg , Samorukov and others would make Edmonton a power house for years . Fellow Oiler fans will say no but too many get attached to the name on the back of the jersey rather then the crest on the front .

If you make this trade you might as well trade Draisaitl, Nuge and Hyman as well because this team isn't competing for a playoff spot for 5+ years after you trade McDavid. If you're cool with waiting another 5 years to be a playoff team then by all means.

 

[bleuetbio]

I would 100% trade draisaitl and McDavid together if that is what it takes for the cup.

Both for one cup only. You take that risk? I wouldnt.

 

[Paddys Pub]

If you make this trade you might as well trade Draisaitl, Nuge and Hyman as well because this team isn't competing for a playoff spot for 5+ years after you trade McDavid. If you're cool with waiting another 5 years to be a playoff team then by all means.

Barely a playoff team with all those players in their prime.
Obviously not even close to a cup contender.
What is another 5 years?

 

[McFlyingV]

Barely a playoff team with all those players in their prime.
Obviously not even close to a cup contender.
What is another 5 years?

If you think that having the players listed instead of McDavid and Draisaitl somehow pushes the needle closer to cup contender then god help you.

 

[ManofSteel55]

What if McDavid requests a trade? Do you think Katz will just ignore his request?

Unless he flat out refuses to show up to practices and games, it wouldn't surprise me for Katz to tell McDavid no.

 

[Paddys Pub]

If you think that having the players listed instead of McDavid and Draisaitl somehow pushes the needle closer to cup contender then god help you.

Quite obviously a rebuild move.
The haul of a return give a chance to have a high end and properly spread out team, instead of banking on two players and the rest of the team is garbage.

I gotta say, the Oilers real problem is, and will only get worse, the Nurse contract.
Paying 9 mill for a number 2-3 dman is insane.
The guy isn’t great and that contract is going to be one of the main reasons the Oilers won’t be able to build a balanced and deep team.

30 mill for 3 players is a recipe for loser soup.
A lot like the leafs.
It’s just not how you build a winning team.

 

[unicornBLOOD]

Quite obviously a rebuild move.
The haul of a return give a chance to have a high end and properly spread out team, instead of banking on two players and the rest of the team is garbage.

I gotta say, the Oilers real problem is, and will only get worse, the Nurse contract.
Paying 9 mill for a number 2-3 dman is insane.
The guy isn’t great and that contract is going to be one of the main reasons the Oilers won’t be able to build a balanced and deep team.

30 mill for 3 players is a recipe for loser soup.
A lot like the leafs.
It’s just not how you build a winning team.

while I agree that his next deal, which has still not kicked in, is high, you can't blame him and his contract yet. This year is probably the first year in his whole career that he hasn't outplayed/outproduced his contract. My guess is he's a little banged up, and he's been playing with a some inexperienced partners this year. Last year, he played like a 8 to 9 million per year defensemen. He's a top pairing D on every team in the league. He's not a 3, that's just garbage.

 

[Paddys Pub]

while I agree that his next deal, which has still not kicked in, is high, you can't blame him and his contract yet.

Even worse. Lol

This year is probably the first year in his whole career that he hasn't outplayed/outproduced his contract.

Every single #1 Dman in the league can play up to or above a 5.6 mill cap hit.
If you don’t, you aren’t a number 1.
And he hasn’t even been worth that 5.6 this year, and the 9mill hasn’t even kicked in!
So unless he rebounds, he would be almost 4 mill overpaid.
Even at his best, he should have gotten 7-7.5 max.

My guess is he's a little banged up, and he's been playing with a some inexperienced partners this year.

A 9mill #1 dman doesn’t rely on partners.
They make partners look like #2 when they aren’t.

Last year, he played like a 8 to 9 million per year defensemen.

Lol. No he didn’t

He's a top pairing D on every team in the league. He's not a 3, that's just garbage.

He is a 2-3

 

[McSuper]

lol tell me you're actually a Flames fan with an alt account.

Byfield has 2 goals total in 30 NHL games.

Turcotte isn't even dominating the AHL let alone the NHL.

That's a horrendous package. You wouldn't even get Mitch Marner for that package I doubt. Those 1sts would be low picks too.

Yes because we should judge a young player base on his stat while finding his way . Also this trade only works if McDavid demanded a trade other wise he isn't being shopped

 

[Hamilton Bulldogs]

Oilers would be fools to make this trade

 

[kingsfan28]

To Edmonton: Byfield, Clarke, Turcotte, Bjornfot, 2022 1st, 2023 1st

To LA: McDavid

Fire away

If he asks to be traded , you can make a deal. How much does EDM retain? If LA is taking on the full contract, whch they wouldn't , I think they could do it without Turcotte and Bjornfort. Byfield, Faber [top 2 prospects], 2022 1st, 2024 1st , mid level prospect or 2, roster dman and maybe another pick. I'd want a 2nd or 3rd, plus a prospect back too. The cap space is the most valuable thing in the deal, and I wouldn't do the deal without it being more balanced. I certainly wouldn't gut my team for him, not the way you have it structured.

 

[Cup or Bust]

The Oilers are not rebuilding, the deal would never happen.

 

[McSuper]

repeat of Wayne would be like Kopitar, Byfield, Clarke, 2022 1st, 2023 1st.
buuuut if you are ok with Turcotte and Bjornfot over Kopitar we are splittin' hairs. But yeah, McDavid also has no cups

So you are blaming McDavid for no cups ? Do you have any hockey knowledge at all ? I guess it was Bourque fault he didn't win a cup in Boston . I guess old man Bourque was the reason the Avs won . Old Bourque >>>>>>>> Prime Bourque . Damn that Nat MacKinnon is crap hasn't bought the Avs a cup . Gibson for a 5th Rd pick hasn't won a cup .

 

[stator]

Why do all the ridiculous trade proposals come from fans of that team?

 

[McSuper]

If he asks to be traded , you can make a deal. How much does EDM retain? If LA is taking on the full contract, whch they wouldn't , I think they could do it without Turcotte and Bjornfort. Byfield, Faber [top 2 prospects], 2022 1st, 2024 1st , mid level prospect or 2, roster dman and maybe another pick. I'd want a 2nd or 3rd, plus a prospect back too. The cap space is the most valuable thing in the deal, and I wouldn't do the deal without it being more balanced. I certainly wouldn't gut my team for him, not the way you have it structured.

Not 1 red cent . LOL at you taking out parts of the OP . There a good 10 teams that would beat that offer

 

[McFlyingV]

Quite obviously a rebuild move.
The haul of a return give a chance to have a high end and properly spread out team, instead of banking on two players and the rest of the team is garbage.

I gotta say, the Oilers real problem is, and will only get worse, the Nurse contract.
Paying 9 mill for a number 2-3 dman is insane.
The guy isn’t great and that contract is going to be one of the main reasons the Oilers won’t be able to build a balanced and deep team.

30 mill for 3 players is a recipe for loser soup.
A lot like the leafs.
It’s just not how you build a winning team.

I don't disagree with the Nurse contract, don't love it but would have been fine with 7-7.5M given how the D market is going. They'll have to make up that with a good contract elsewhere or cheap depth through development.

McDavid and Drai at a combined 21M is not the problem and doesn't impact their ability to fill out the roster elsewhere. It's 2.5M more than the combo of Kuch/Stamkos who are an inferior duo on the 2-time defending cup champs.

The problem is identifying and acquiring talent on the backend and in net that has plagued this team. The Oilers forward group right now is just fine and near the top of the league with the additions this summer and Kane mid-season allowing them to run 3 balanced lines with McDavid-Drai-Nuge down the middle. It's the defence and goaltending which has been a big question mark. It's looked a lot better under Woodcroft than it did under Tippett but it still has a ways to go.

Regardless, when you have 2 of the best players in the league and pretty good forward depth you don't go into a rebuild. You try to plug the other holes to get to the next level. The last thing that an organization that spent 10 years rebuilding needs is another rebuild.

 

[Paddys Pub]

I don't disagree with the Nurse contract, don't love it but would have been fine with 7-7.5M given how the D market is going. They'll have to make up that with a good contract elsewhere or cheap depth through development.

McDavid and Drai at a combined 21M is not the problem and doesn't impact their ability to fill out the roster elsewhere. It's 2.5M more than the combo of Kuch/Stamkos who are an inferior duo on the 2-time defending cup champs.

Inferior duo?
It’s 2.5 more for two guys who refuse to play defence. They are stats guys. Not team players.
Stamkos and Kuch are proven winners and team first guys.

The problem is identifying and acquiring talent on the backend and in net that has plagued this team. The Oilers forward group right now is just fine and near the top of the league with the additions this summer and Kane mid-season allowing them to run 3 balanced lines with McDavid-Drai-Nuge down the middle. It's the defence and goaltending which has been a big question mark. It's looked a lot better under Woodcroft than it did under Tippett but it still has a ways to go.

Nobody is questioning the Oilers top forwards. Lol. That’s the point.

Regardless, when you have 2 of the best players in the league and pretty good forward depth you don't go into a rebuild. You try to plug the other holes to get to the next level. The last thing that an organization that spent 10 years rebuilding needs is another rebuild.

Oilers aren’t going to win with those two (3 with Nurse).
They don’t have the room available to build a proper contending d core, let alone goaltending.

Also, Oilers have been rebuilding longer than 10 years. Lol. What’s another 5?

 

[McFlyingV]

Inferior duo?
It’s 2.5 more for two guys who refuse to play defence. They are stats guys. Not team players.
Stamkos and Kuch are proven winners and team first guys.


Nobody is questioning the Oilers top forwards. Lol. That’s the point.



Oilers aren’t going to win with those two (3 with Nurse).
They don’t have the room available to build a proper contending d core, let alone goaltending.

Also, Oilers have been rebuilding longer than 10 years. Lol. What’s another 5?

Good lord this is such an embarrassing post if you think Kuch/Stamkos duo is superior to a McDavid/Drai duo. I'll give you a hint why the inferior duo has won 2 cups. Because they have a Norris Dman and Vezina goaltender to go with incredible drafting leading to quality depth throughout their lineup.

Again, the suggestion that a team can't win with McDavid and Drai on their current contracts is laughable. If they fail to win with that duo it's entirely on managements inability to fill the rest of the roster which their contracts do not prevent from occurring.

 

[Paddys Pub]

Good lord this is such an embarrassing post if you think Kuch/Stamkos duo is superior to a McDavid/Drai duo. I'll give you a hint why the inferior duo has won 2 cups. Because they have a Norris Dman and Vezina goaltender to go with incredible drafting leading to quality depth throughout their lineup.

Again, the suggestion that a team can't win with McDavid and Drai on their current contracts is laughable. If they fail to win with that duo it's entirely on managements inability to fill the rest of the roster which their contracts do not prevent from occurring.

Don’t act like McD and Drai are anything other than points. They are both only in it for themselves and play a very poor team game.
McD is a straight up BAD player on the other side of the puck, and with his skill, that’s is purely on his attitude.
Drai is pretty well the same, except he is much bigger and could play a much more powerful game.
You don’t win with hot doggers as your leaders.

 

[McFlyingV]

Don’t act like McD and Drai are anything other than points. They are both only in it for themselves and play a very poor team game.
McD is a straight up BAD player on the other side of the puck, and with his skill, that’s is purely on his attitude.
Drai is pretty well the same, except he is much bigger and could play a much more powerful game.
You don’t win with hot doggers as your leaders.

 

[n8]

So you are blaming McDavid for no cups ? Do you have any hockey knowledge at all ? I guess it was Bourque fault he didn't win a cup in Boston . I guess old man Bourque was the reason the Avs won . Old Bourque >>>>>>>> Prime Bourque . Damn that Nat MacKinnon is crap hasn't bought the Avs a cup . Gibson for a 5th Rd pick hasn't won a cup .

Don't be a ridiculous shit poster. No one is blaming McDavid. McDavid has no cup. This is a fact. If you want to dispute that, please proceed to the mirror in your bathroom.

 

[Bank Shot]

Counter offer.

LA receives McDavid.

Edmonton receives LA's weather.

 

[BringTheReign]

Counter offer.

LA receives McDavid.

Edmonton receives LA's weather.

*Checks weather tomorrow*

*Laughs in 79 degrees and sunny*

 

[2-4 Slashin]

Kopitar is a salary balance, still great player but he's close to retiring. He doesn't hold much value in this trade to a hypothetical rebuilding Oilers.

Hypothetically, he would be the 2C on The Oilers and maybe there best defender including their dmen. He’d still get 60+ points and at 35 would still be top 3 in points on the Oilers.