McDavid heating up, what are odds on 150 points this season?

[jigglysquishy]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

Ovechkin lead in goals by 25%
McDavid is leading by 22.5%

So technically yes, but McDavid is close. In fact, McDavid's is highest since Ovechkin 2008.

 

[Akrapovince]

For those of us stat watching and cheering on McDavid, what’s a better night?

2G 0A or 0G 3A?

 

[KCC]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

Considering McDavid isn't a natural goal scorer and has had to really work on it, what he's doing especially over the last 7 or 8 games is pretty remarkable. But it's not so much the goal scoring that people are really interested in it's the amount of points and if he can get to 150+ I think. lol

 

[TheAngryHank]

For those of us stat watching and cheering on McDavid, what’s a better night?

2G 0A or 0G 3A?

why not both?

 

[Hynh]

For those of us stat watching and cheering on McDavid, what’s a better night?

2G 0A or 0G 3A?

3 assists for me. 156 is a bigger target than 70 goals IMO. 70 goals would leave him tied for 12th most and behind seasons from 7 different players (Gretzky, Hull, Lemieux, Esposito, Selanne, Mogilny, Kurri). 156 would leave him 14th but only behind seasons by Gretzky and Lemieux. McDavid has a larger lead in goals (10, Pastrnak with 3 games in hand) vs assists (4, Kucherov with 1 game in hand) right now.

Also, 3 assists means 3 goals which means the Oilers are more likely to have won.

 

[KCC]

For those of us stat watching and cheering on McDavid, what’s a better night?

2G 0A or 0G 3A?

Well you know he wants a Rocket and while 10 goals up is a fair amount, Pasta has like 3 games in hand so depending what he does with those 3 games could be huge. That said I would love to see him pass 155 points. That would be insane in the modern era where he would only be behind Gretzky and Lemieux for most points ever in a season.

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Considering McDavid isn't a natural goal scorer and has had to really work on it, what he's doing especially over the last 7 or 8 games is pretty remarkable. But it's not so much the goal scoring that people are really interested in it's the amount of points and if he can get to 150+ I think. lol

I'm pretty sure Ovechkin had to work on his goalscoring too...he just did most of it before entering the nhl.

It's really not possible to separate natural talent and skill learned by hard work. For example Gretzky was putting in insane hours as a kid on his backyard rink, and practicing very unconventional ways of visualizing the ice. He wasn't just born with the world's highest ever hockey IQ.

 

[KCC]

I'm pretty sure Ovechkin had to work on his goalscoring too...he just did most of it before entering the nhl.

It's really not possible to separate natural talent and skill learned by hard work. For example Gretzky was putting in insane hours as a kid on his backyard rink, and practicing very unconventional ways of visualizing the ice. He wasn't just born with the world's highest ever hockey IQ.

Yeah, well obviously. lol

 

[Video Nasty]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

Until one considers that McDavid will have taken about a hundred less shots to get his 65+ because he’s also handing out an additional 40 assists compared to Ovechkin and winning the Art Ross by another 25% margin. Sorry, much like Gretzky dishing out almost 2000 assists, I’m always going to be more impressed with the playmaking center going nuts.

Give McDavid free rein to rifle 450-530 shots in a season and he’s scoring 80-95 goals.

 

[Bank Shot]

Until one considers that McDavid will have taken about a hundred less shots to get his 65+ because he’s also handing out an additional 40 assists compared to Ovechkin and winning the Art Ross by another 25% margin. Sorry, much like Gretzky dishing out almost 2000 assists, I’m always going to be more impressed with the playmaking center going nuts.

Give McDavid free rein to rifle 450-530 shots in a season and he’s scoring 80-95 goals.

Nah.

McDavid's shooting percentage would plummet if he started trying to emulate Ovechkin's game. McDavid has a good, accurate wrist shot, but he lacks the top tier velocity of Ovechkin who beats goalies from range.

Also Ovechkin's ability to one-time the puck is one of, if not the best in history. Pass in the skates, no problem, Ovie hammers it on net.

McDavid's slapshot and one-timer are pretty average and he essentially never uses either.

Part of McDavid's goal scoring prowess is the ability to keep goalies guessing. Goalies always knew Ovie was going to shoot. It just didn't matter.

McDavid would neuter his game if he played like Ovechkin. He's better how he is.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

Yeah, back when teams had twice as many power plays as today.

McDavid would eat that era alive.

 

[BallardEra]

Goal #55 and 2 points to hit 126.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

Lol. McDavid being primarily a playmaker but scoring 65 goals would be actually more impressive. Ovechkin is a pure goal scorer.

Yeah, back when teams had twice as many power plays as today.

McDavid would eat that era alive.

Let's not be stupid. That "era" was 15 years ago and many guys from back then are still playing. 36-year-old Ovechkin scored 50 goals just last year. McDavid would do about as well as he is now.

 

[BallardEra]

Only 6 goals away from 300 now

 

[CpatainCanuck]

Goal #55 and 2 points to hit 126.

Just needs 24 points in the next 15.5 games to hit 150.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

This is just so ignorant. Go back and watch the highlights of every Ovi goal that season, then go watch McDavids.

Idk what to say if you’re the sort of hockey fan that prefers a lazier player (I love Ovi) who scores most of his goals on one timers versus taking on multiple guys.

 

[jcbio11]

Just needs 24 points in the next 15.5 games to hit 150.

That seems so doable for someone like him. Hope he makes it, it's a special season and he's a treat to follow.

 

[Nikki Potnick]

When's the last time someone led the league in both goals and assists in a season? And how many times has it been done before?

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Just needs 24 points in the next 15.5 games to hit 150.

Man, that's just how insane 150pts is. He still needs to score at a really high rate to hit 150 even if he's been tearing it up since the start of the season. There's still no guarantee he will do it even though the likelihood is high.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

When's the last time someone led the league in both goals and assists in a season? And how many times has it been done before?

Last time was Gretzky in 1986-87. Lemieux lead in goals and tied in assists in 1988-89 and 1995-96.

It has been done 12 times. 5 by Gretzky, twice by Lemieux, twice by Gordie Howe, and once by Newsy Lalonde, Howie Morenz, and Phil Esposito. Lemieux would have done it in his 60 games season too but alas, he missed too much time.

• 1918-19 season Newsy Lalonde - 23 goals, 9 assists
• 1927-28 season: Howie Morenz - 33 goals, 18 assists
• 1950-51 season: Gordie Howe - 43 goals, 43 assists
• 1952-53 season: Gordie Howe - 49 goals, 46 assists
• 1972-73 season: Phil Esposito - 55 goals, 75 assists
• 1981-82 season: Wayne Gretzky - 92 goals, 120 assists
• 1982-83 season: Wayne Gretzky - 71 goals, 125 assists
• 1983-84 season: Wayne Gretzky - 87 goals, 118 assists
• 1984-85 season: Wayne Gretzky - 73 goals, 135 assists
• 1986-87 season: Wayne Gretzky - 62 goals, 121 assists
• 1988-89 season: Mario Lemieux - 85 goals, 114 assists
• 1995-96 season: Mario Lemieux - 69 goals, 92 assists

 

[jigglysquishy]

Last time was Gretzky in 1986-87. Lemieux lead in goals and tied in assists in 1988-89 and 1995-96.

It has been done 6 times. 5 by Gretzky and once by Gordie Howe. Lemieux would have done it in his 60 games season too but alas, he missed too much time.

And Howie Morenz in 1927-28.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

And Howie Morenz in 1927-28.

Actually edited my post because I had missed one by Lemieux and I consider a tie for first place to still be a lead. I'll add Morenz too.

Edit: Seems I missed a couple more because I still gave the nod to someone who tied for first place.

 

[Sykur]

Bernie Nicholls 1988-89 season is still hilarious to me

Reminds me of Blair MacDonald.

In 1980 he scored 94 points for Edmonton. Then he got traded to Vancouver and he scored 33 points the next season. He was out of the league two years later.

Three guesses what happened to his point production.

 

[TheAngryHank]

That seems so doable for someone like him. Hope he makes it, it's a special season and he's a treat to follow.

This has become my favorite thread to follow , and a few lousy takes lol

 

[FDBluth]

Honestly, even If he hits 65+ goals, that's not gonna be as impressive to me in this scoring environment as when Ovechkin did it. Ovechkin's 65 goals back then is so much more meaningful than Mcdavid's 66 or whatever it might be at the end of the season.

He's doing it while also leading the league in assists lol