Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Suspended 3 games )

[wasup]

I know this might be a little unpopular on here but McDavid needed to do this even if it got him in trouble . The ref could have stopped this easily by blowing the whistle and issuing a penalty for holding , interference , mugging etc... but he didn't ," surprise ".
The reality is by lack of action by the ref things boil out of hand and than this kind of stuff happens . Remember a few years back when Jokic was getting held , banged around etc and then he completely run the guy over making a statement of if you mess with the bull expect to get the horn .
3 games is only a short time serve in the long run of things and he might have to do more of this kind of stuff to give himself some space and give the likes of Garland a second thought of his actions .

 

[Kranix]

What a dirtbag

 

[fancy dan]

I like cuddling but not this much. No thank you.

If I were sitting on your back and you were holding my arm, I bet I could get up. Are you roughly the size of Garland?

i'm taller, but probably similar weight. you couldn't get away from me.

 

[DeltaSwede]

On ice, with one leg curled up between your legs and almost up your ass with a skate attached to the foot. You ain’t getting up for shit the same way McDavid wasn’t.

What?

i'm taller, but probably similar weight. you couldn't get away from me.

Alright that's it. You vs me after school at 4 oclock.

 

[bucks_oil]

For 2) you rarely see a penalty called under those circumstances. McDavid laid a hit, took him down and it looks like a typical tie up/scrum.

McDavid punching him? Penalty.
Garland grabbing McDavid again once up? Penalty.

The more I watch it, the less I think the initial little on ice scrum matters at all. We see those almost every game.

I've seen you mention this twice now. "McDavid initial interference" or "McDavid initial hit".

The only thing that happened before they initially hit the ice was:
1) McDavid trying to drive through.
2) Garland making an amazing poke check, putting himself at risk by thrusting into McD's path.
3) Him grabbing onto McD's arm, perhaps to lessen his fall, perhaps to take him out of the play.

All in all, good solid hockey on the borderline. IMO Garland's interference doesn't really start until he continues holding his arm and wraps his skates around McD.

I posted this earlier, but here's the sequence:
1) Deke

2) Great Poke

3) Slightly douchy, but anyone would do it. Please don't say you can't see that glove up there in the armpit.

4) Down we go

5) McD trying to get up, Garland still has his arm

6) Wraps legs around McD at 16.7 seconds remaining.

7) Legs still wrapped up around McD at 14.6 seconds remaining.

The punch (McD's first penalizable event) comes right after this... a full 6 seconds after the initial contact. I think anyone would be frustrated by then.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Do we really need to protect our "SUPERSTARS" from 5'10" Connor Garland committing a two minute holding infraction? McDavid having a hissy fit and cross checking a player in the face isn't the NHL's problem. That's a Connor McDavid problem.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

What?



Alright that's it. You vs me after school at 4 oclock.

Cease and desist, guys.

 

[PuckG]

Do we really need to protect our "SUPERSTARS" from 5'10" Connor Garland committing a two minute holding infraction? McDavid having a hissy fit and cross checking a player in the face isn't the NHL's problem. That's a Connor McDavid problem.

No, we need to call the rules by the rule book.

It’s less “protect superstars” and more enforce the normal rules. By doing so, you protect everyone, superstar or not.

McDavid doesn’t need preferential treatment. He torches the league regularly regardless. He needs it to be called the same as everyone else and in this context, that meant a minor to Garland before it escalated to what it is now.

 

[bucks_oil]

Where do you see him grabbing McDavid's arm in that screengrab? He grabbed him when they were on the ice, not here to drag him down with him. McDavid was frustrated after losing the puck and reverse hit him and fell on him. That's how it happened.

Aye! Dios mio!

Honestly... it's time for an eye doctor.

 

[rypper]

3 games too high. No injury and not a vicious cross check. Hit him in the visor.

I don't blame McDavid one bit. He's hardly getting any calls this year on penalties against him and the frustration bubbled over.

I also support him not playing in any NHL-sponsored exhibitions. Tit for tat.

Hey! what's behind the visor?

Not like it just hit his visor and the force came to a screeching halt. Can't crosscheck someone in the head no matter who you are or what they did.

 

[Three On Zero]

I've seen you mention this twice now. "McDavid initial interference" or "McDavid initial hit".

The only thing that happened before they initially hit the ice was:
1) McDavid trying to drive through.
2) Garland making an amazing poke check, putting himself at risk by thrusting into McD's path.
3) Him grabbing onto McD's arm, perhaps to lessen his fall, perhaps to take him out of the play.

All in all, good solid hockey on the borderline. IMO Garland's interference doesn't really start until he continues holding his arm and wraps his skates around McD.

I posted this earlier, but here's the sequence:
1) Deke
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2) Great Poke
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3) Slightly douchy, but anyone would do it. Please don't say you can't see that glove up there in the armpit.
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4) Down we go
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5) McD trying to get up, Garland still has his arm
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6) Wraps legs around McD at 16.7 seconds remaining.
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7) Legs still wrapped up around McD at 14.6 seconds remaining.
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The punch (McD's first penalizable event) comes right after this... a full 6 seconds after the initial contact. I think anyone would be frustrated by then.

We could knit pick and go back and fourth on this the entire day. Hell it’s been like that for days. Ultimately the referees failed both players and created this escalated situation by deciding not to defuse it earlier. Both committed infractions, both deserved to be penalized and yet neither were.

 

[robertocarlos]

Garland should have been given two minutes for crocheting.

 

[Grifter3511]

Why? It's not his fault that the refs didn't want to call a holding or interference penalty. He made a calculated decision with 20 seconds left to hold Mcdavid and probably figured he'd get called but by the time the refs called it and Canucks got possession of the puck the game would be over or there would be like 10 seconds left. It's probably a cheap play by the players code which is why you don't see it happen but I'm surprised we haven't seen that done more often over the years.

We actually see players get tangled up on the ground and not let go for significant periods of time (or 'accidentally' get tangled in a players stick and not let it go) quite often, its just that the play heads off down the ice and no one cares, and it's not McDavid in the final seconds of a game so Oilers fans don't lose their minds.

 

[HighLifeMan]

No, we need to call the rules by the rule book.

It’s less “protect superstars” and more enforce the normal rules. By doing so, you protect everyone, superstar or not.

McDavid doesn’t need preferential treatment. He torches the league regularly regardless. He needs it to be called the same as everyone else and in this context, that meant a minor to Garland before it escalated to what it is now.

Missed calls happen routinely. Always have and always will. That doesn't give a player the right to cross check somebody in the face.

McDavid got what he deserved here, and he's not some hero for "sticking up for himself". In this instance he was an idiot and he and his team now pay the the price for his actions. The past three years have shown us that McDavid gets more calls than any other player in the league. This "woe is me" act that is happening is silly.

 

[Wayward Son]

This would probably mean more if it wasn't coming from one of the league's biggest rats.

 

[WhyYouHaveToBeMad]

You know what the best part is about this? None of what you're saying gives McDavid the right to crosscheck Garland in the face. We can go back and forth on the details but it doesn't change the facts. Personally, I think McDavid initiated this exchange, you don't. Fine. But a crosscheck to the face happened by a repeat offender and it's not arguable.

And you know what the best part is if the refs who get paid alot of money to make the right calls, called a penalty like it was all of this could have been avoided.

 

[ToDavid]

Wtf are people even arguing about still?

Anyone (Canucks fans) trying to say Garland wasn't breaking the rules are either blind, dumb or trolling.

Anyone (Oilers fans) trying to say that they wouldn't want someone on their team doing exactly what Garland did is either lying, trolling, or some hockey Saint who abhors all acts that aren't perfectly acceptable in the rulebook.

At the end of the day Garland made a calculated decision to help his team win. He risked taking a penalty with 10 seconds to go to nullify the best player in the game. EVERYONE should want a player on their team to do what Garland did. He's either taking a penalty, or he isn't, and either way McDavid is out of the play for at least 5 or 6 seconds and there's likely no time to capitalize on the PP. Garland knew exactly what he was doing.

Canucks fans, just be honest. Garland broke the rules, got away with it, and in the process he not only helped his team win but he got the best player in the league on a divisional rival kicked out for their next meeting. Oilers fans, quit acting like you wouldn't welcome players like Garland onto your team with open arms. It's basically the Brad Marchand effect.

The only caveat I would add to this is that while yes, Garland was 100% holding on to him, McDavid was also perfectly happy to lay on top of him initially while it benefited his team with a 5v4 look. He only really starts to struggle to get up after that chance is done and he realizes the play might come back up to him. At that point it's very obvious Garland is interfering with him.

Both guys were bending the rules for their benefit. Letting offsetting interference go at the end of a game is hardly near the top of the list of problems with NHL officiating and if not for the cross check I doubt anyone would even be talking about it. God forbid if Bouchard scores, I bet the Edmonton media are tripping over themselves to write about McDavid's 'veteran savy' to take Garland out of the play.

 

[PuckG]

Missed calls happen routinely. Always have and always will. That doesn't give a player the right to cross check somebody in the face.

McDavid got what he deserved here, and he's not some hero for "sticking up for himself". In this instance he was an idiot and he and his team now pay the the price for his actions. The past three years have shown us that McDavid gets more calls than any other player in the league. This "woe is me" act that is happening is silly.

You: Oilers want preferential treatment.

Me: We want the same treatment as everyone else. By the rule book.

You: No, because not getting the same treatment and missed calls is normal.

That makes no sense and you’re not reading the thread in your rush to yell “woe is me” about the Oilers. Very few Oilers fan is justifying the cross check and almost all agree he should be suspended as per the 60 pages here.

The original point is that if you call the game how it should be called, you avoid escalations like this one.

 

[Wisp]

End of the day you can't hit someone in the head with your stick. Circumstance and talent is irrelevant, if you think it should be a factor to reduce penalty you're being big blubbery crybaby fanboy (or an Edmonton media member, same thing really).

(Also hilarious trying to watch the Oilers side of thing try to make 5'4 Conor Garland into some sort of thug lmao. Hilarious pageantry out of Edmonton, an instant classic)

 

[Lacaar]

Where do you see him grabbing McDavid's arm in that screengrab? He grabbed him when they were on the ice, not here to drag him down with him. McDavid was frustrated after losing the puck and reverse hit him and fell on him. That's how it happened.

Dude just posted the pics completely and utterly crushing your perspective.

You can clear as day see the arm grab before.

It may be time for you to have an honest evaluation about your stated unbiasedness. If you were really thinking you were being truthful with that statement.
If you were.. come eat some crow like a big boy.

If you weren't continue the good fight!

 

[HabzSauce]

In marketing, McDavid and AM are a nothing burger compared to Sid and Mac.

Can you elaborate?

I see nostrils in every commercial. Moreso than the other 3. Can't get away from the guy

 

[nturn06]

Missed calls happen routinely. Always have and always will. That doesn't give a player the right to cross check somebody in the face.

McDavid got what he deserved here, and he's not some hero for "sticking up for himself". In this instance he was an idiot and he and his team now pay the the price for his actions. The past three years have shown us that McDavid gets more calls than any other player in the league. This "woe is me" act that is happening is silly.

You cannot trully believe that all four refs simply missed that play. This is not a missed call, it is just game management.

If all 4 refs trully missed that play, they should not be reffing even in beerleague.

P.S. Don't get me wrong, the crosscheck should had not happend. But "miss calls happen routinely", especially when they happen routinelly to the same player, is not an argumet for "accept and simply do nothing".
Almost each game there are probably 2-3 clear "missed calls" agains McDavid, but once the refs reached their quota of calls (which against McDavid this season seems to be 1 call every 3 games) they will simply refuse to call anything. And unfortunatelly this encourage players to get more and more brazen while "defending" against him.

 

[Bounces R Way]

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The honorable Corey Perry has spoken.

Like, just how much more does he need protecting Corey?

Never understood the connection people make between the NHL purportedly failing to protect their stars and them struggling to grow the game. Do we want them ineligible to be hit if they are a point per game or something?

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Oh I 100% agree with the suspension. Zero argument.

In contrast, you can't even admit you are wrong when provided visual evidence. You should, be a bigger person.

As for the Garland/McDavid exchange... it matters because it explains why McDavid (understandably in my opinion) lost his shit.

Garland held him for 12 seconds, including a punch to the head around the 6 second mark, which obviously didn't deter him at all.

McDavid can't just lie down, give up and take it... you'd want him fighting through things like this. If a punch do the head doesn't work, there is going to be an escalation. Garland knows (probably expects) that. So I have zero issue with the cross check, just as much as I have zero issue with taking the suspension.

I literally said "I was wrong" in this thread when I realized where Garland grabbed his arm.

 

[tfwnogf]

Like, just how much more does he need protecting Corey?

Never understood the connection people make between the NHL purportedly failing to protect their stars and them struggling to grow the game. Do we want them ineligible to be hit if they are a point per game or something?

No we just want them to call a penalty on a guy hanging off him. McDavid is not a tree branch, and Garland is (allegedly) not a monkey.