Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Suspended 3 games )

[nturn06]

The only caveat I would add to this is that while yes, Garland was 100% holding on to him, McDavid was also perfectly happy to lay on top of him initially while it benefited his team with a 5v4 look. He only really starts to struggle to get up after that chance is done and he realizes the play might come back up to him. At that point it's very obvious Garland is interfering with him.

Both guys were bending the rules for their benefit. Letting offsetting interference go at the end of a game is hardly near the top of the list of problems with NHL officiating and if not for the cross check I doubt anyone would even be talking about it. God forbid if Bouchard scores, I bet the Edmonton media are tripping over themselves to write about McDavid's 'veteran savy' to take Garland out of the play.

From what I saw, at all time McDavid "lay" on top of Garland, Garland either hold his arm or crossed his legs.

 

[phrenssoa]

The only caveat I would add to this is that while yes, Garland was 100% holding on to him, McDavid was also perfectly happy to lay on top of him initially while it benefited his team with a 5v4 look. He only really starts to struggle to get up after that chance is done and he realizes the play might come back up to him. At that point it's very obvious Garland is interfering with him.

Both guys were bending the rules for their benefit. Letting offsetting interference go at the end of a game is hardly near the top of the list of problems with NHL officiating and if not for the cross check I doubt anyone would even be talking about it. God forbid if Bouchard scores, I bet the Edmonton media are tripping over themselves to write about McDavid's 'veteran savy' to take Garland out of the play.

Garland was holding on to McDavid’s arm the whole time, not allowing him to get up, hence why McDavid reacted the way he did.

 

[ToDavid]

From what I saw, at all time McDavid "lay" on top of Garland, Garland either hold his arm or crossed his legs.

Garland was definitely holding him the entire time, but McDavid also wasn't in much of a hurry to get up initially while it was convenient for him to take a defender out of the play.

 

[notsocommonsense]

This would probably mean more if it wasn't coming from one of the league's biggest rats.

It’s pretty laughable coming from Perry

 

[PuckG]

Garland was definitely holding him the entire time, but McDavid also wasn't in much of a hurry to get up initially while it was convenient for him to take a defender out of the play.

That’s speculation at best. You can see McDavid try to shift up but unable to because Garlands leg is hitched and curled up between his legs.

It’s far more convenient for the best player on the ice to remain in play then remove Garland (and effectively himself) from it.

 

[v00d00daddy]

58 pages of this. Lots of people care about McDavid and the Oilers.

But to answer your question, all of that context is relevant because if the initial penalty is called, it likely doesn’t escalate to what it is now.

I’m hearing lots of people saying this. And I don’t mean hf posts.

I’ve heard former NHLers that are now analysts and commentators and I just don’t get this argument.

What would have prevented mcd from cross checking garland? Seeing a refs arm up to call a penalty with 5-10 seconds left in the game and the oilers in possession of the puck? Would he then yell at his teammates to give the puck to the Canucks to get a 5 second powerplay? Lol

People think mcd thought that much?

I think he’d just had enough of getting held and fought back.

Part of me is glad he did it to deter stupid play like that in the future. And I think the suspension was 1 game too long.

But this stuff about calling a penalty would have prevented things is ridiculous imo

 

[Bounces R Way]

No we just want them to call a penalty on a guy hanging off him. McDavid is not a tree branch, and Garland is (allegedly) not a monkey.

Should have been a penalty yup, so should a lot of plays.

Just like purposely cross checking or elbowing a guy in the head should be penalties, and in many cases suspensions.

 

[nturn06]

Garland was definitely holding him the entire time, but McDavid also wasn't in much of a hurry to get up initially while it was convenient for him to take a defender out of the play.

It is amazing how some people can look at this play and try to find such twisted arguments to blame the play on McDavid....Let me guess, just another unbiased fan, right?

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Call McDavid on the original interference, call McDavid on the punch to Garland’s head.
The refs had ample time to call play dead and issue both of them a 2 minute minor.

Rather than call either penalty it’s like the refs decided they nullified each other so continued on with play.

Agreed there. The person I was responding to was specifically mentioning the penalty to Garland on McDavid.

 

[PuckG]

I’m hearing lots of people saying this. And I don’t mean hf posts.

I’ve heard former NHLers that are now analysts and commentators and I just don’t get this argument.

What would have prevented mcd from cross checking garland? Seeing a refs arm up to call a penalty with 5-10 seconds left in the game and the oilers in possession of the puck? Would he then yell at his teammates to give the puck to the Canucks to get a 5 second powerplay? Lol

People think mcd thought that much?

I think he’d just had enough of getting held and fought back.

Part of me is glad he did it to deter stupid play like that in the future. And I think the suspension was 1 game too long.

But this stuff about calling a penalty would have prevented things is ridiculous imo

It’s no more ridiculous than the other speculation in this thread.

Ultimately, I agree. McDavid being held on and infracted consistently and regularly in the absence of enforcing the rules resulted in him breaking and cross checking Garland.

I’ll rephrase to if the penalties were called consistently and by the rule book regularly, then McDavid wouldn’t have gotten to the point that he crosschecked him in the face because retaliation wouldn’t be necessary. Retaliation would just be the penalties called.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

Then by your logic give him 2.

Also if you are taking past events into play then they should recognize the situation that he was being held for 15 seconds. It was so bad the whole hockey world has recognized it.


This whole thing just doesn't seem right.


Yes he deserved a suspension, but how is it 3 when other players got 1 for the same thing

McDavid has a previous suspension so that can get factored in.

 

[nturn06]

I’m hearing lots of people saying this. And I don’t mean hf posts.

I’ve heard former NHLers that are now analysts and commentators and I just don’t get this argument.

What would have prevented mcd from cross checking garland? Seeing a refs arm up to call a penalty with 5-10 seconds left in the game and the oilers in possession of the puck? Would he then yell at his teammates to give the puck to the Canucks to get a 5 second powerplay? Lol

People think mcd thought that much?

I think he’d just had enough of getting held and fought back.

Part of me is glad he did it to deter stupid play like that in the future. And I think the suspension was 1 game too long.

But this stuff about calling a penalty would have prevented things is ridiculous imo

I actually dissagree here. His frustration was probably not over the fact that they did not get a 5-10 seconds PP. He more likely got frustrated over the fact that game after game the refs somehow "miss" clear penalties like this, despite staring straight at them.

No matter what some haters try to argue in this thread, there are very few more clear penalties than this, yet 4 different refs somehow "missed" it. And if McDavid does nothing, next time the opponent can get even more brazen, and somehow the refs are going to miss it again, this seems to be the pattern. At some point, enough is enough.

 

[Juxta Position]

Garland was definitely holding him the entire time, but McDavid also wasn't in much of a hurry to get up initially while it was convenient for him to take a defender out of the play.

you really think that's what McDavid is thinking? "I'll just lay on him and take myself out of the play because at least the amazing Connor Garland can't shut us down"

Garland essentially had McDavid in an arm lock and would not let him move. I'm pretty sure McDavid was not okay with keeping himself out of the play to ensure the apparent defensive wunderkind Connor Garland was shut down.

 

[CanesUltimate11]

And you know what the best part is if the refs who get paid alot of money to make the right calls, called a penalty like it was all of this could have been avoided.

Does Vancouver ever touch the puck before McDavid crosschecks Garland? (honestly not sure) If not then calling a penalty likely doesn't solve this unless they call something on both players.

 

[Muffin]

It’s no more ridiculous than the other speculation in this thread.

Ultimately, I agree. McDavid being held on and infracted consistently and regularly in the absence of enforcing the rules resulted in him breaking and cross checking Garland.

I’ll rephrase to if the penalties were called consistently and by the rule book regularly, then McDavid wouldn’t have gotten to the point that he crosschecked him in the face because retaliation wouldn’t be necessary. Retaliation would just be the penalties called.

McDavid has literally drawn the most penalties since he's come into the league. Acting like McDavid doesn't get any calls is just hilarious.

 

[PuckG]

McDavid has literally drawn the most penalties since he's come into the league. Acting like McDavid doesn't get any calls is just hilarious.

Not being able to read is hilarious.

My words were: if the penalties were called consistently and by the rule book regularly, then McDavid wouldn’t have gotten to the point that he crosschecked him in the face.

Referencing fair officiating isn’t acting like there are no calls.

Try again another day.

 

[Muffin]

Not being able to read is hilarious.

My words were: if the penalties were called consistently and by the rule book regularly, then McDavid wouldn’t have gotten to the point that he crosschecked him in the face.

Try again another day.

Miss calls happen, it doesn't give you a free pass to cross check someone in the face.

 

[Toby91ca]

It is amazing how some people can look at this play and try to find such twisted arguments to blame the play on McDavid....Let me guess, just another unbiased fan, right?

Hmmm.....all I keep reading is people almost trying so suggest Garland should be the guy suspended, along with the refs....McDavid did what he had to do....why is he getting punished? Seriously though, I think all the back and forth about how long Garland was holding him, who initiated, how hard he tried to get up, etc. is meaningless....who cares? McDavid crossed checked a guy in the head...doesn't matter what happened before that. I also hear all this chatter about superstars needing to be protected and had to take matters into his own hands. Protected from what? No one was targeting McDavid there and potentially going to injure him.

I totally agree with the frustration though and the hocking and holding, etc. on star players.....I wish it would stop....it's not nearly as bad as it used to be though.

 

[PuckG]

Miss calls happen, it doesn't give you a free pass to cross check someone in the face.

Again, you not doing the bare minimum to read is hilarious. Where is that stated?

McDavid was justifiably suspended.

 

[Muffin]

Again, you not being able to read is hilarious. Where is that stated?

McDavid was justifiably suspended.

The fact that you're making excuses for such an obvious suspendable play? He deserved every game of it stop crying.

You know what happens when someone pushes MacKinnon to the edge? He drops the gloves and fight like a man not this b**** cross check in the face ****

 

[PuckG]

The fact that you're making excuses for such an obvious suspendable play? He deserved every game of it stop crying.

Yes, that is what my post says.

“McDavid was justifiably suspended.”

Try again man. Start with reading. Imagine being outraged about me saying the exact same thing you said.

 

[Da McBomb]

I think most Oiler fans are 'ok' with the suspension (maybe a game too much)... but the main issue we have is the lack of calls on McDavid throughout the whole year and this whole Garland thing just illustrates that. When McDavid is the 197th or something in the league when it comes to drawing penalties... there is something seriously wrong. Just call a penalty a damn penalty... that's all we ask.

 

[ToDavid]

you really think that's what McDavid is thinking? "I'll just lay on him and take myself out of the play because at least the amazing Connor Garland can't shut us down"

Garland essentially had McDavid in an arm lock and would not let him move. I'm pretty sure McDavid was not okay with keeping himself out of the play to ensure the apparent defensive wunderkind Connor Garland was shut down.

McDavid knows that 5v4 > 6v5. He also knows that there's <20 seconds left so he knows the puck is going to the net, not back up to the guy at the point who's being hard covered. Keeping a defender away and giving Bouchard more open ice is one of the most valuable things he can do in that moment. Obviously the intent isn't to take himself out of the play indefinitely, just enough to give them an advantage on that scoring chance. When he sees that the puck is coming back out, that's when he tries to get up.

Like he's laying nearly perfectly still initially. You cannot convince me that's McDavid giving it his all to get back in the play.

 

[Muffin]

I think most Oiler fans are 'ok' with the suspension (maybe a game too much)... but the main issue we have is the lack of calls on McDavid throughout the whole year and this whole Garland thing just illustrates that. When McDavid is the 197th or something in the league when it comes to drawing penalties... there is something seriously wrong. Just call a penalty a damn penalty... that's all we ask.

And that's including the agitators that take coincidental minors, if you look at NET it's not even close.

 

[PuckG]

You know what happens when someone pushes MacKinnon to the edge? He drops the gloves and fight like a man not this b**** cross check in the face ****

Also - not really. Dude spazzes in all the wrong places like everyone else.