Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Suspended 3 games )

[Tres Peleches]

The fact that Tsyplakov got the same punishment (3 games) for a far less egregious action just shows the league is completely unserious when it comes to protecting the players safety

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Which report?

You know..... THE report.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

"According to a report, McDavid is considering cutting back on NHL promotional events throughout the year and leading into the 4 Nations Face-Off Tournament, with the claim that the NHL need to protect their stars better on the ice."

lol, hooked by fake news

 

[PuckG]

lol, hooked by fake news

Some fans selectively hone in on this the same way they selectively ignore Garland’s involvement at all. It’s like Garland was just hanging out on the ice when big bad McDavid attempted to kill him with his hatchet.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Cause as soon as McDavid and Garland came together, Garland grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him down with him. It’s clear as day.
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Where do you see him grabbing McDavid's arm in that screengrab? He grabbed him when they were on the ice, not here to drag him down with him. McDavid was frustrated after losing the puck and reverse hit him and fell on him. That's how it happened.

 

[PuckG]

Where do you see him grabbing McDavid's arm in that screengrab? He grabbed him when they were on the ice, not here to drag him down with him. McDavid was frustrated after losing the puck and reverse hit him and fell on him. That's how it happened.

Just to clarify, in that screen grab, you are suggesting Garland is not grabbing McDavids arm?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Where do you see him grabbing McDavid's arm in that screengrab? He grabbed him when they were on the ice, not here to drag him down with him. McDavid was frustrated after losing the puck and reverse hit him and fell on him. That's how it happened.

seriously? I've circled it for you in case you're going clinically blind

 

[Golden_Jet]

"According to a report, McDavid is considering cutting back on NHL promotional events throughout the year and leading into the 4 Nations Face-Off Tournament, with the claim that the NHL need to protect their stars better on the ice."

Link?

 

[McFlyingV]

Link?

There is no link. This guy read something on the internet and didn't realize 90% of what you see on the internet is fake.

 

[CROTT]

There is no link. This guy read something on the internet and didn't realize 90% of what you see on the internet is fake.

Theres a tweet from a podcast, but it’s not really an official source.

 

[bucks_oil]

Nah, my take on this is just fine. Garland is clearly turning away after poking the puck off McDavid's stick, McDavid lunges into Garland. He started it and Garland took advantage of the situation to grapple with him. McDavid doesn't like how it turned out and cross checks him in the face. It's as simple as that. I don't need a wall of text to tell my side.

Garland never checked him (assuming you mean body contact). Look at it again. He pokes the puck away and turns to skate away. McDavid initiates all body contact,

You need to get your eyes checked my friend. There is no "reverse hit" here. McDavid doesn't initiate contact. Its the act of Garland reaching across McD's body to make the poke check that causes them to collide.

At that point, on both players, it's 100% legal. McD was trying to drive through the two defenders with the puck and Garland is lunging across to make a great defensive play.

They both go down naturally... after that, Garland just decides he's not going to let McD get up under any circumstances (even absorbing a punch).

Photo 1: Garland lunging, McDavid driving forward

Photo2: Garland has made contact with puck, McD momentum still forward, turns head/body to recover puck

Photo 3: Both players collide, fall... there is no "jump" on top. Normal hockey collision.

Photo 4: McDavid trying to get up, Garland holding his arm and wrapping his legs around him. They flail like this for another 3 seconds before McD punches Garland.

Photo 5: Even after the puch, Garland doesn't take a hint, grabs on for dear life.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Just to clarify, in that screen grab, you are suggesting Garland is not grabbing McDavids arm?

I see McDavid's right arm in front of him and his left arm appears to be behind Garland's back. So, no, I don't see where Garland is holding McDavid's arm there. Edit: I'm wrong on this, I see it now (see below).

seriously? I've circled it for you in case you're going clinically blind

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OK, I see now. You're right. Still doesn't change my point. Garland was turning away and McDavid foolishly initiated contact.

 

[PuckG]

Any description that excludes McDavid's lack of willingness to get up for 2-3 seconds because Bouchard had a good scoring chance is not perfect. A willing McDavid is immediately trying to get up. The punch he throws is as much of a penalty as the holding Garland is doing.

You try getting up when someone’s leg is hooked between your ass cheeks.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

You need to get your eyes checked my friend. There is no "reverse hit" here. McDavid doesn't initiate contact. Its the act of Garland reaching across McD's body to make the poke check that causes them to collide.

At that point, on both players, it's 100% legal. McD was trying to drive through the two defenders with the puck and Garland is lunging across to make a great defensive play.

They both go down naturally... after that, Garland just decides he's not going to let McD get up under any circumstances (even absorbing a punch).

Photo 1: Garland lunging, McDavid driving forward
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Photo2: Garland has made contact with puck, McD momentum still forward, turns head/body to recover puck
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Photo 3: Both players collide, fall... there is no "jump" on top. Normal hockey collision.
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Photo 4: McDavid trying to get up, Garland holding his arm and wrapping his legs around him. They flail like this for another 3 seconds before McD punches Garland.
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Photo 5: Even after the puch, Garland doesn't take a hint, grabs on for dear life.
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You know what the best part is about this? None of what you're saying gives McDavid the right to crosscheck Garland in the face. We can go back and forth on the details but it doesn't change the facts. Personally, I think McDavid initiated this exchange, you don't. Fine. But a crosscheck to the face happened by a repeat offender and it's not arguable.

 

[strattonius]

Why do you guys care who started the wrestle? And who initiated the contact? And who held who? And who didn't skate away? And which player grabbed who at the 18 second mark? Such a pedantic and useless argument. Crazy levels of wasting energy.

End result is all that matters. McDavid cross checks Garland in the face and is now suspended. Personally I thought it was a heavy suspension. Only expected a max fine or 1 game, but it's 3 games so I understand if Oiler fans feel that's a lot.

 

[PuckG]

Why do you guys care who started the wrestle? And who initiated the contact? And who held who? And who didn't skate away? And which player grabbed who at the 18 second mark? Such a pedantic and useless argument. Crazy levels of wasting energy.

End result is all that matters. McDavid cross checks Garland in the face and is now suspended. Personally I thought it was a heavy suspension. Only expected a max fine or 1 game, but it's 3 games so I understand if Oiler fans feel that's a lot.

58 pages of this. Lots of people care about McDavid and the Oilers.

But to answer your question, all of that context is relevant because if the initial penalty is called, it likely doesn’t escalate to what it is now.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

Intentional headshot = suspension. Period. This needs to be consistently enforced by the NHL, no matter who the player is, no matter what the circumstances are, no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs No preceding actions are relevant, regardless of what Garland, Bouchard or the refs did or didn't do before the headshots. Both McDavid & Myers deserved suspensions. Period. The fact that so many of you feel this is debatable is ridiculous.

 

[PuckG]

Intentional headshot = suspension. Period. This needs to be consistently enforced by the NHL, no matter who the player is, no matter what the circumstances are, no matter if it's the regular season or playoffs No preceding actions are relevant, regardless of what Garland, Bouchard or the refs did or didn't do before the headshots. Both McDavid & Myers deserved suspensions. Period. The fact that so many of you feel this is debatable is ridiculous.

Very few people have argued against a suspension. McDavid rightfully got suspended for a dangerous retaliation. That doesn’t change any of the context leading up to how the cross check occurred though.

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Very. If that initial penalty is called on Garland, no cross check happens and no suspension happens.

Idk about that... Edmonton maintained possession throughout the entire sequence. So even if a ref had his arm up for a delayed call, without Vancouver touching the puck the play wouldn't have stopped for the penalty.

 

[bucks_oil]

???

I really don't see how you can take yourself serious at the same time you're saying that Garland has his legs wrapped around McDavid.

His legs up in the air, blades clearly visible at 16.7sec, heels of blades angled together to clasp McD's leg from 16.2 to 14.6.

Here's a hint... just in case you haven't skated in a while (or ever) if you want to get up/out when you are on the ice, it helps to try and dig your edge into the ice, rather than holding it unnaturally up in the air.

In contrast, McD has his skate on the ice and arm fully extended pushing up at 16.7 - ie away from Garland to get up.

Where the hell is the headlock you are talking about??

How about these?

 

[strattonius]

58 pages of this. Lots of people care about McDavid and the Oilers.

But to answer your question, all of that context is relevant because if the initial penalty is called, it likely doesn’t escalate to what it is now.

If the discovery of penicillin never happened...

If the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour...

The preceding context of what happened is irrelevant unless you believe cross checking someone in the face is justified when getting held down.

Suspension is too long and everyone here is wasting their energy talking about what preceded. And now so am I.

 

[fancy dan]

56 pages and Oilers fans still ignoring Bouchard holding Pettersson on a similar play just about 30 seconds before the Garland and McDavid wrestle match. That could've been called resulting in the McDavid and Garland incident never happening. You have to consider the context in terms of the reffing.

Again, Garland stick checks McDavid who then hits Garland to the ice to maintain Oiler possession. Garland is holding onto McDavids arm at this point as they fall to the ice. McDavid is now on top of Garland. Garland maintains his hold on McDavid, but, here, what ya'll seem to be ignoring is McDavid not moving a muscle to change the situation. He's happily on top of Garland as Bouchard gets a shot opportunity. His legs aren't engaged until that opportunity dies down and then McDavid actually tries to negate his current situation by trying to get up. Garland maintains his hold of his arm and McDavid responds with a punch to Garlands upper body (head?) to get lose which he does sort of. They are still engaging with each other and Garland then, for a lack of better word, man handles McDavid in a hold.

Are you really going to try to argue that Garland out powers McDavid - i.e Garland is the much more physical player, stronger, and tougher than McDavid? He's like 5'7 or 5'8 and a skill player himself. An agitator for sure but he's not some imposing bully.

Whatever Garland and McDavid are doing to each other is negating the other players previous action. After the punch to Garland that was uncalled, Garlands got some leeway to again engage McDavid in a hold. Garland could've been called for a minor for holding and McDavid one for roughing at that point. It's not a pretty hockey play but it really is 50/50 and a back and forth situation. That should explain what I believe the refs are seeing on the play. It's too bad refs aren't ever asked about it, would be interesting to hear this one out. Also, Oilers are in possession during the entire sequence so even if a call were to be made on Garland (wrongly in my mind as both players should have received minors on the play) it wouldn't change anything.

3 games seems appropriate for both Myers and McDavid. Don't throw hissy fits.

i could hold you for 15 seconds on the ice. you couldn't get away from me.

 

[PuckG]

Idk about that... Edmonton maintained possession throughout the entire sequence. So even if a ref had his arm up for a delayed call, without Vancouver touching the puck the play wouldn't have stopped for the penalty.

True, it’s just far more unlikely that McDavid slams his stick in Garlands face if he isn’t being held up for 10 seconds. And if a penalty is called, it is again, far more unlikely that McDavid retaliates with the game on the line and time ticking down.

 

[centipede2233]

mcdavid cross checked a guy in the head. Mcdavid needs to suck it up, my buttercup. You do the crime, you do the time.

 

[PuckG]

If the discovery of penicillin never happened...

If the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour...

The preceding context of what happened is irrelevant unless you believe cross checking someone in the face is justified when getting held down.

Suspension is too long and everyone here is wasting their energy talking about what preceded. And now so am I.

The context is relevant if you understand hockey. No hold = no cross check and play continues.

Nobody is saying the cross check is justified. Everyone is saying the cross check doesn’t happen if the initial hold was called accordingly.