Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Emo Habs fans? lol

CAUSE TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT DEMIDOV WILL SCORE FOR YOU.... OVER AGAINNNNNN

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Yvon le terrible, un gars de chez nous.

 

[waitin425]

CAUSE TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT DEMIDOV WILL SCORE FOR YOU.... OVER AGAINNNNNN

LOL. I had no idea what you were referencing. Thank you google!

 

[McGuires Corndog]

J’ai un Demi-rection

 

[Bigtrout]

also of note, today's 2 pt were against the top team in the KHL, he's got 5 pts vs them this season, just in case anyone tries to say he only gets points vs bottom feeders.

I just checked and Lokomotiv seems to be in a completely different class than the rest of the KHL defensively. 80GA in 48GP before today while the next closest is AK Bars with 108GA in 46GP, pretty absurd difference.

 

[Toene]

J’ai un Demi-rection

Juste ça? J'suis déjà demi-venu.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Juste ça? J'suis déjà demi-venu.

Un Bon release de Demi-desh



We’re here all night ladies and gentlemen

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Like Hutson in Montreal, imagine, if he would have been on the first line and first PP from the beginning

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

I agree with the spirit of your post, as I think the depth of teams has increased greatly. I have no difficulty imagining the 2025 Blackhawks destroying the Gilbert Perreault Sabres (random example of a good team from the past) something like 15-2. Any fourth liner of today is a top-notch athlete in a remarkable shape, with fine tuned fundamentals, discipline and a solid knowledge of hockey systems and strategy. A fourth line of today could eat alive any line from the vintage era.

That said, the top talent will always compare. My argument for that is based on the most reliable measuring standard known to man : the Jagr-o-meter. Jaromir Jagr is the superstar player who played in both the early 90s and the late 2010s. He's been a clear bridge between that old generation and the present one. Would a prime Jagr dominate in today's game? I'd argue he'd contend for an Art Ross year in, year out. Maybe you don't agree. Imo he was always a beast. Well, as good as Jagr was in the 90s, there were still some 80s veterans playing during that time who directly faced Jagr on a rink and looked amazing too.

And those vets, they played against a still dominant 80s Larry Robinson, for example, who himself played his prime in the 70s with and against the stars of that time, and some looked as good or better than him. Emphasis on the word look. I know you said that some high-producing players of back then would suck today, that much is true, that's why I'm talking in terms of eye-test. Have you ever seen tapes of Bobby Orr? Train this guy from birth with the methods of today and heal his knees with the medical prowess of our time and he's a perennial Norris contender like Makar.

Back to Big Bird, it's not a stretch to say that a physical specimen with skill like him couldve been a great player if he had his prime in the 90s in an alternate universe. If he could do that, then a slightly older player could probably do it, and so on.

So, yes, today's players are just much better trained, prepared and fed than the pornstache era players, but the cream will always rise to the top, no matter the era. There's a limit at some point too. A player wouldnt score 10 a game. Well, maybe Ovie against the 1975 Caps. Lol.

The Chicago Black Hawks from 2024-25 would get killed by the Sabres of Gilbert Perreault's time...The French Connection itself would score 10 and the 2nd and 3rd lines 5 each for a 20-0 lambasting...stop kidding yourself the Hakws are fricking aweful

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Like Hutson in Montreal, imagine, if he would have been on the first line and first PP from the beginning

Demidov and Hutson together is going to be like a cheat code. Especially with Laine lurking

 

[ahmedou]

Yvon le terrible, un gars de chez nous.

Yvon, un demi oz de Dove steu plait

 

[Koivu11]

I wonder if he will get his #91 even though Kapanen had it for the 12 games he was here for this season. I’ve gotten used to seeing him with that number.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

I wonder if he will get his #91 even though Kapanen had it for the 12 games he was here for this season. I’ve gotten used to seeing him with that number.

He needs 91.

11 wouldn’t look right on him

 

[ZUKI]

J’ai un Demi-rection

As usual... - Girlfriend

 

[Toene]

The Chicago Black Hawks from 2024-25 would get killed by the Sabres of Gilbert Perreault's time...The French Connection itself would score 10 and the 2nd and 3rd lines 5 each for a 20-0 lambasting...stop kidding yourself the Hakws are fricking aweful

Ok maybe it would be closer than that, the Sabres had eight 60 points players in 74-75 and were a powerhouse, but you're deluding yourself if you think the Sabres would win. Just the innovation in strategy regarding team defense. And Bromley and Crozier would get lit up.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Ok maybe it would be closer than that, the Sabres had eight 60 points players in 74-75 and were a powerhouse, but you're deluding yourself if you think the Sabres would win. Just the innovation in strategy regarding team defense. And Bromley and Crozier would get lit up.

And Mrzak and Soderblom are NHLers back then,no fricking way...on that Sabres team they would be in Cincinnati playing for the AHL Swords...Perreault would take the puck 10 times a game go end to end deking 3-4 guys and either scoring 10 times or dishing off where Rick Martin or Rene Robert would blast it past the Goaltenders who had equipment and pads probably 4 X smalller than todays goaltenders...wrap your head around that...Chicago could maybe beat the California Golden Seals after the WHA dismantled that promising team otherwise they would be Crap and at the bottom of the standings...

 

[bleuetbio]

Wow! Theu guy looks genius again and again. Do we know how much time he got as a center recently?

 

[DAChampion]

in my 25+ years of very closely following Hab prospects I have never seen anyone come close to the skill level of Demidov.

Curious, who have you said this about previously?

 

[McGuires Corndog]

As usual... - Girlfriend

She just has work harder for my love now that Demidov is around, she understands.

 

[Gustave]

Honestly fellow posters, if you realllllly can’t wait to discuss topics other than Demidov in the Demidov thread, just take it outside please, this prospect is just too juicy to sift through old school teams, generational mish mash and the sorts.

I’ll allow the erectile stuff though, it fits here

 

[ZUKI]

She just has work harder for my love now that Demidov is around, she understands.

If Demidov is around, she will understand for the love of who she should work harder

 

[Toene]

And Mrzak and Soderblom are NHLers back then,no fricking way...on that Sabres team they would be in Cincinnati playing for the AHL Swords...Perreault would take the puck 10 times a game go end to end deking 3-4 guys and either scoring 10 times or dishing off where Rick Martin or Rene Robert would blast it past the Goaltenders who had equipment and pads probably 4 X smalller than todays goaltenders...wrap your head around that...Chicago could maybe beat the California Golden Seals after the WHA dismantled that promising team otherwise they would be Crap and at the bottom of the standings...

Honestly, I still disagree but you almost convinced me. That was a strong argument friend! Got me excited, I'm gonna watch some youtube of those Sabres now.

 

[Natey]

Almost a PPG averaging 12 minutes a night. The coach is a tool, lol.

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Honestly, I still disagree but you almost convinced me. That was a strong argument friend! Got me excited, I'm gonna watch some youtube of those Sabres now.

Please do the Sabres of 1974-75 nearly won the Cup in their 5 year of existence had it not been for Broadstreet Bullies and Bernie Parent

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That just is not true. Gordie's generation featured NHLers who would struggle to be AHLers in today's game. This is why, to a man they all say that today's players are much better than their generation.....just watch the video lol. Players who were atrocious skaters and handled the puck like a grenade made up the majority of the league. Goalies were all terrible as the trade had yet to escape from the prison of idiot coaches who dictated like most dinosaurs do the way in which to play despite not having the knowledge to support their dumb truisms.

McDavid hits 200 points if he played when Mario and Wayne were playing.

I am old enough to have watched Wayne and Mario's entire career and I have love for that generation as that is where my fondest hockey memories lie, but......if we are being honest, there were 50 goal scorers who would be lucky to hit 30 goals nowadays and some like Maruk might not even be NHLers in today's game.

Hockey has a much larger pool to draw from today, as in multiple orders of magnitude as well as infinitely better developmental systems, training and nutrition. There is a solid argument to be made that players from these generations would be even better but the problem is that the kids with the most ability may never have played hockey back then. In Howe's generation there were far more families who relied on their kids to carry on the family business, especially farming and were never encouraged to try and play pro as well as the one's who did play and were never discovered.

Mario Lemieux would have more points today than he did back then. Look what he did as an old man after years off when they got rid of the obstruction rules.

The only way to stop Lemieux was to hold on to him for dear life. Yeah, McDavid would be super fast in the 80s but he doesn’t have to deal with obstruction the way those players did. It’s a completely different game and far more geared towards offense now.

Lemieux would be the all time scorer in today’s game. There’d simply be no way to stop him.

Edit: Aaaand I’m realizing this is the Demodov thread…. Moving on.