Prospect Info: Ivan Demidov (2024 5th OA): SKA St. Petersburg (KHL)

[ChesterNimitz]

I think that Gretzky guy had a funky skating style. Dont know how that turned out for him.

He was also playing against a lot of players in that era who had 'funky' skating style.

 

[Habs Halifax]

How many game do they play in the KHL in a season? 50? 60?

How many game do they play in the KHL in a season? 50? 60?

This will be the longest KHL season in league's history. A few key dates in this article as well.

2024-2025 schedule: the longest regular season in the league’s history

KHL.ru presents the schedule for the 2024-2025 Fonbet KHL regular season. Teams will play 68 games each, and the total number of game days will be a record 187. From the Opening Cup game to the first break, teams will have 97 consecutive game days. ...

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[rahad]

This will be the longest KHL season in league's history.

2024-2025 schedule: the longest regular season in the league’s history

KHL.ru presents the schedule for the 2024-2025 Fonbet KHL regular season. Teams will play 68 games each, and the total number of game days will be a record 187. From the Opening Cup game to the first break, teams will have 97 consecutive game days. ...

en.khl.ru

68 games? He is 100% going to break the record for the U20.

 

[Habs Halifax]

68 games? He is 100% going to break the record for the U20.

Can't imagine they block his ice time at this stage?

 

[Chose]

This will be the longest KHL season in league's history.

2024-2025 schedule: the longest regular season in the league’s history

KHL.ru presents the schedule for the 2024-2025 Fonbet KHL regular season. Teams will play 68 games each, and the total number of game days will be a record 187. From the Opening Cup game to the first break, teams will have 97 consecutive game days. ...

en.khl.ru

Wow, so there is still time to improve those stats now that Rotenberg is trusting him with more TOI on quality lines and with more PP TOI.

 

[Gustave]

The improvement year over year and especially in the last few months has been ridiculous.

It was almost a blessing that Demidov never really had the chance to play in an IIHF best on best international tournament in the last couple of years as he would have had a lot more exposure like with Michkov at the U18's.

Same thing happened last season. He absolutely caught FIRE from Christmas and onward. Love it, just love it.

 

[Redux91]

He has 10 goals and 7 assists in his last 11 games

With a handful of those in the 'highlight of the night' category to say the least lol

 

[Skip Bayless]

He has 10 goals and 7 assists in his last 11 games

 

[Redux91]

#4

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Thank you
With the clear PP TOI and the P/60 to boot

The 2 guys ahead if him were D+2 and then Michkov with the aforementioned vacation in Sochi

Unreal

 

[Kennerback]

I think that Gretzky guy had a funky skating style. Dont know how that turned out for him.

Yeah. I’m not buying the issues about his hunched skating style. See Gretzky. Also unlike many elite forwards, Gretzky like Demidov had a stepping stone between Juniors and the NHL, with a full season as a pro in the WHA.

 

[rahad]

Can't imagine they block his ice time at this stage?

It won't change anything. 68 games is a lot. He is already 5-6points from breaking the record.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah. I’m not buying the issues about his hunched skating style. See Gretzky. Also unlike many elite forwards, Gretzky like Demidov had a stepping stone between Juniors and the NHL, with a full season as a pro in the WHA.

For me, the "it" factor is a big deal. Caufield and Hutson had it and so does Demidov. Heck, B Tkachuk also had it with his "poor skating". Picks like KK and Reinbacher are not "it factor" picks. They are long term development guys.

Lots of players have skating and skill and some of them have size (Caufield and Hutson did not). The difference maker is usually hockey IQ and the will power to overcome the challenges. That's what I call "it factor"

 

[RayMartyniukTotems]

Just saw that young Demidov scored another goal and had an assist against Lokomotiv Yaroslavl...wow the kid really getting it goiing...Russian fans and Montreal Canadiens fans are ecstatic,bravo Ivan

 

[HespelerGreenFlash]

He was also playing against a lot of players in that era who had 'funky' skating style.

He outfunked em all!!

 

[Doom Bot]

Great point. If we keep the main club on it's trajectory this season (in the playoffs or just missing), him coming over, IMO, is a bit of a mini window to take advantage of.

You'd have him and Lane still on their ELCs and you could surround them with talent to try to make a push. You don't have to go all crazy in free agency or anything but you could probably take on some short term money to make your team really competitive in the meantime and retool a little bit if it doesn't work.

So you're saying we could fit an extra 8.7 million

 

[Apoplectic Habs Fan]

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Face is gonna age like Corey Perry

Yikes,

Trade

 

[the valiant effort]

He outfunked em all!!

Gretzky vs Guerin at 0:30

 

[FrankMTL]

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Could be wrong but pretty sure if he puts up 2 pts next game, he tied michkovs totals from last season

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

Demidov is just doing side quests now in the khl.

He's unloking PS5 trophies.

 

[Erika]

Ivan Demidov is a Habs prospect, got taken 5th overall last year...

Is this the real life ? Is this just fantasy ?
Caught in a landslide, no escape from reality
Open your eyes, look up to the skies and see !!!

 

[Anardil]

That just is not true. Gordie's generation featured NHLers who would struggle to be AHLers in today's game. This is why, to a man they all say that today's players are much better than their generation.....just watch the video lol. Players who were atrocious skaters and handled the puck like a grenade made up the majority of the league. Goalies were all terrible as the trade had yet to escape from the prison of idiot coaches who dictated like most dinosaurs do the way in which to play despite not having the knowledge to support their dumb truisms.

McDavid hits 200 points if he played when Mario and Wayne were playing.

I am old enough to have watched Wayne and Mario's entire career and I have love for that generation as that is where my fondest hockey memories lie, but......if we are being honest, there were 50 goal scorers who would be lucky to hit 30 goals nowadays and some like Maruk might not even be NHLers in today's game.

Hockey has a much larger pool to draw from today, as in multiple orders of magnitude as well as infinitely better developmental systems, training and nutrition. There is a solid argument to be made that players from these generations would be even better but the problem is that the kids with the most ability may never have played hockey back then. In Howe's generation there were far more families who relied on their kids to carry on the family business, especially farming and were never encouraged to try and play pro as well as the one's who did play and were never discovered.

I really dislike the argument that past great players wouldn't succeed in today's game. I believe that great players would be great players regardless of the era that they play in.

You say McDavid gets 200 points in Mario's day? Well I reply by saying Gretz and Mario would break records today, with the advances in equipment technology, nutrition, scientific knowledge and especially the way the game is played/called today.

Imagine Mario without having players waterskiing him, crosschecking etc. He would break a 100 goal season.

Bottom line is that any great player in any generation would succeed regardless of the era. IMHO.

 

[Noble]

IVAN THE GREAT

 

[Anardil]

I agree with the spirit of your post, as I think the depth of teams has increased greatly. I have no difficulty imagining the 2025 Blackhawks destroying the Gilbert Perreault Sabres (random example of a good team from the past) something like 15-2. Any fourth liner of today is a top-notch athlete in a remarkable shape, with fine tuned fundamentals, discipline and a solid knowledge of hockey systems and strategy. A fourth line of today could eat alive any line from the vintage era.

That said, the top talent will always compare. My argument for that is based on the most reliable measuring standard known to man : the Jagr-o-meter. Jaromir Jagr is the superstar player who played in both the early 90s and the late 2010s. He's been a clear bridge between that old generation and the present one. Would a prime Jagr dominate in today's game? I'd argue he'd contend for an Art Ross year in, year out. Maybe you don't agree. Imo he was always a beast. Well, as good as Jagr was in the 90s, there were still some 80s veterans playing during that time who directly faced Jagr on a rink and looked amazing too.

And those vets, they played against a still dominant 80s Larry Robinson, for example, who himself played his prime in the 70s with and against the stars of that time, and some looked as good or better than him. Emphasis on the word look. I know you said that some high-producing players of back then would suck today, that much is true, that's why I'm talking in terms of eye-test. Have you ever seen tapes of Bobby Orr? Train this guy from birth with the methods of today and heal his knees with the medical prowess of our time and he's a perennial Norris contender like Makar.

Back to Big Bird, it's not a stretch to say that a physical specimen with skill like him couldve been a great player if he had his prime in the 90s in an alternate universe. If he could do that, then a slightly older player could probably do it, and so on.

So, yes, today's players are just much better trained, prepared and fed than the pornstache era players, but the cream will always rise to the top, no matter the era. There's a limit at some point too. A player wouldnt score 10 a game. Well, maybe Ovie against the 1975 Caps. Lol.

Much more eloquent than my reply. Kudos.

 

[montreal]

also of note, today's 2 pt were against the top team in the KHL, he's got 5 pts vs them this season, just in case anyone tries to say he only gets points vs bottom feeders.