Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Suspended 3 games )

[fancy dan]

how many games did pietro get for the slash in the playoffs on Drai? is McDavid's worst than that one?

 

[bucks_oil]

You know what the best part is about this? None of what you're saying gives McDavid the right to crosscheck Garland in the face. We can go back and forth on the details but it doesn't change the facts. Personally, I think McDavid initiated this exchange, you don't. Fine. But a crosscheck to the face happened by a repeat offender and it's not arguable.

Oh I 100% agree with the suspension. Zero argument.

In contrast, you can't even admit you are wrong when provided visual evidence. You should, be a bigger person.

As for the Garland/McDavid exchange... it matters because it explains why McDavid (understandably in my opinion) lost his shit.

Garland held him for 12 seconds, including a punch to the head around the 6 second mark, which obviously didn't deter him at all.

McDavid can't just lie down, give up and take it... you'd want him fighting through things like this. If a punch do the head doesn't work, there is going to be an escalation. Garland knows (probably expects) that. So I have zero issue with the cross check, just as much as I have zero issue with taking the suspension.

 

[Three On Zero]

Idk about that... Edmonton maintained possession throughout the entire sequence. So even if a ref had his arm up for a delayed call, without Vancouver touching the puck the play wouldn't have stopped for the penalty.

Call McDavid on the original interference, call McDavid on the punch to Garland’s head.
The refs had ample time to call play dead and issue both of them a 2 minute minor.

Rather than call either penalty it’s like the refs decided they nullified each other so continued on with play.

 

[Grifter3511]

Wtf are people even arguing about still?

Anyone (Canucks fans) trying to say Garland wasn't breaking the rules are either blind, dumb or trolling.

Anyone (Oilers fans) trying to say that they wouldn't want someone on their team doing exactly what Garland did is either lying, trolling, or some hockey Saint who abhors all acts that aren't perfectly acceptable in the rulebook.

At the end of the day Garland made a calculated decision to help his team win. He risked taking a penalty with 10 seconds to go to nullify the best player in the game. EVERYONE should want a player on their team to do what Garland did. He's either taking a penalty, or he isn't, and either way McDavid is out of the play for at least 5 or 6 seconds and there's likely no time to capitalize on the PP. Garland knew exactly what he was doing.

Canucks fans, just be honest. Garland broke the rules, got away with it, and in the process he not only helped his team win but he got the best player in the league on a divisional rival kicked out for their next meeting. Oilers fans, quit acting like you wouldn't welcome players like Garland onto your team with open arms. It's basically the Brad Marchand effect.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

You try getting up when someone’s leg is hooked between your ass cheeks.

There was this one time after getting drunk in Vegas ...

 

[Video Nasty]

Very few people have argued against a suspension. McDavid rightfully got suspended for a dangerous retaliation. That doesn’t change any of the context leading up to how the cross check occurred though.

Too much nuance is required to get realistic responses. If a McDavid psycho like me can say he deserves the suspension, it doesn’t also mean that I don’t think there’s a bigger problem with the league that led to it (and one that they never seem interested in solving). I shouldn’t even call that nuance because it’s nothing special to consider, but there you have it.

 

[fancy dan]

I actually think this suspension will benefit mcdavid and the oilers. They will undoubtably get more calls going forward. It's unacceptable that his drawn penalty rate has fallen so dramatically in just one season.

Who looks the worst in all of this is the NHL and their referees. I expect them to crack down heavily on penalties. It is an exceptionally bad look for them. You can't have a guy holding the best player in the world for 15 seconds in the dying minutes of a one goal game. it's a terrible look.

 

[bucks_oil]

If the discovery of penicillin never happened...

If the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour...

The preceding context of what happened is irrelevant unless you believe cross checking someone in the face is justified when getting held down.

Suspension is too long and everyone here is wasting their energy talking about what preceded. And now so am I.

I actually disagree with this... hear me out.

I play sports fair, I think in general McDavid plays the sport fair. Until the other guy doesn't.

If everyone plays the sport fair, McDavid is the best player in the world.

When people take liberties and cheat, McDavid's impact is minimized.

He knows this, Garland knows this and you know this. You do.

And there is an honor in all of this...

• you bend the rules a little, I swear at you and try to show you up on the scoreboard
• you bend the rules a lot, I stink palm you
• you bend the rules a lot and don't respond to the stink palm? Now it's a shot to the jaw.
• You wanna be a punk and keep going? All bets are off.

Those are the rules of the jungle.

Don't want an aggregious cross check to the head (and it was aggregious, I agree) then don't aggregiously hold me, or at least respond to the escalating face shot. If you don't ok... you were warned.

 

[Golden_Jet]

If the discovery of penicillin never happened...

If the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour...

The preceding context of what happened is irrelevant unless you believe cross checking someone in the face is justified when getting held down.,

Suspension is too long and everyone here is wasting their energy talking about what preceded. And now so am I.

Garland held him down for way too long, if you’re not interested in discussing that aspect, move along to the next post then, about the cross check.

 

[bucks_oil]

Call McDavid on the original interference, call McDavid on the punch to Garland’s head.
The refs had ample time to call play dead and issue both of them a 2 minute minor.

Rather than call either penalty it’s like the refs decided they nullified each other so continued on with play.

This is true... lots of people saying Van didn't touch the puck, so the refs would not have made a difference... but...

1) Untrue: as soon as McDavid punches Garland, they can blow the play dead. Then it wouldn't escalate. That's why you actually call penalties rather than "game manage" and end up with it blowing up in your face. That's what happened here IMO.

2) Your point that they rationalized it by nullifying two penalties doesn't really hold water... McDavid was held for a full SIX seconds BEFORE he punched Garland. No hand was up. Maybe you could say that after the punch they figured it was even, thus letting Garland hold him another 6 seconds.

 

[11Messier]

Why do you guys care who started the wrestle? And who initiated the contact? And who held who? And who didn't skate away? And which player grabbed who at the 18 second mark? Such a pedantic and useless argument. Crazy levels of wasting energy.

End result is all that matters. McDavid cross checks Garland in the face and is now suspended. Personally I thought it was a heavy suspension. Only expected a max fine or 1 game, but it's 3 games so I understand if Oiler fans feel that's a lot.

This pretty well sums it up... I was expecting a game max... The league is clearly trying to use McDavid as an example of something. Don't get what, as they let other players get away with murder. They lack the understanding how much of an impact McDavid has on fans. Some people bought tickets solely to see him play as a once in a lifetime experience (both home and away games). I have someone that travelled from Europe to see him play in the Vancouver game coming up. Again, once in a life time for him. Spent a lot of money to get here and it won't happen because they are "trying to prove something". In the end though, it's exactly what you said, he crossed checked someone's head and deserves a suspension. 3 games is exceedingly and needlessly punitive with lack of understanding the damage they are causing to some fans and the league.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

3 games too high. No injury and not a vicious cross check. Hit him in the visor.

I don't blame McDavid one bit. He's hardly getting any calls this year on penalties against him and the frustration bubbled over.

I also support him not playing in any NHL-sponsored exhibitions. Tit for tat.

 

[bucks_oil]

Wtf are people even arguing about still?

Anyone (Canucks fans) trying to say Garland wasn't breaking the rules are either blind, dumb or trolling.

Anyone (Oilers fans) trying to say that they wouldn't want someone on their team doing exactly what Garland did is either lying, trolling, or some hockey Saint who abhors all acts that aren't perfectly acceptable in the rulebook.

At the end of the day Garland made a calculated decision to help his team win. He risked taking a penalty with 10 seconds to go to nullify the best player in the game. EVERYONE should want a player on their team to do what Garland did. He's either taking a penalty, or he isn't, and either way McDavid is out of the play for at least 5 or 6 seconds and there's likely no time to capitalize on the PP. Garland knew exactly what he was doing.

Canucks fans, just be honest. Garland broke the rules, got away with it, and in the process he not only helped his team win but he got the best player in the league on a divisional rival kicked out for their next meeting. Oilers fans, quit acting like you wouldn't welcome players like Garland onto your team with open arms. It's basically the Brad Marchand effect.

Good post. I'll say this about Garland:
1) Amazing poke check. 100% legal.
2) Agree with you, you do what you can in that situation... the first 6 seconds of holding, douchy maybe, but you want that. He was way outside the lines, but the situation called for whatever it takes.
3) After the punch... I gotta say, it crosses a line for me. Like c'mon, aren't we still playing hockey? You gotta have SOME respect for the sport... Garland was so far outside the lines... that's why I'm ok with McD going nuclear. There's gotta be a line between gamesmanship and total disrespect of the sport and the opponent. IMO they both crossed that 2nd line.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

This pretty well sums it up... I was expecting a game max... The league is clearly trying to use McDavid as an example of something. Don't get what, as they let other players get away with murder. They lack the understanding how much of an impact McDavid has on fans. Some people bought tickets solely to see him play as a once in a lifetime experience (both home and away games). I have someone that travelled from Europe to see him play in the Vancouver game coming up. Again, once in a life time for him. Spent a lot of money to get here and it won't happen because they are "trying to prove something". In the end though, it's exactly what you said, he crossed checked someone's head and deserves a suspension. 3 games is exceedingly and needlessly punitive with lack of understanding the damage they are causing to some fans and the league.

I live in the middle-of-nowhere Ohio and while I root for the Bluejackets, I probably watch more Oilers games than I do CBJ games. I've gone to see McDavid in Erie PA (when he was in the OHL) Columbus, Detroit and Las Vegas. He's by far and away the most entertaining and skilled player in the NHL to watch IMO.

Just posted to validate your point. Very good point I might add.

 

[Three On Zero]

This is true... lots of people saying Van didn't touch the puck, so the refs would not have made a difference... but...

1) Untrue: as soon as McDavid punches Garland, they can blow the play dead. Then it wouldn't escalate. That's why you actually call penalties rather than "game manage" and end up with it blowing up in your face. That's what happened here IMO.

2) Your point that they rationalized it by nullifying two penalties doesn't really hold water... McDavid was held for a full SIX seconds BEFORE he punched Garland. No hand was up. Maybe you could say that after the punch they figured it was even, thus letting Garland hold him another 6 seconds.

For 2) you rarely see a penalty called under those circumstances. McDavid laid a hit, took him down and it looks like a typical tie up/scrum.

McDavid punching him? Penalty.
Garland grabbing McDavid again once up? Penalty.

The more I watch it, the less I think the initial little on ice scrum matters at all. We see those almost every game.

 

[tfwnogf]

The honorable Corey Perry has spoken.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

So will an Oiler go after Garland in this weeks game?

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

This whole thing about if the refs just called the rules this would've never happened.. sure, if the rules were called Oilers would've already been shorthanded. Bouchard held Pettersson to the end wall long after the puck left as the play was entering Vancouver's zone. Pettersson didn't freak out & crosscheck him in the head.

I guess even that is better for the Oilers than McDavid missing games, but the point is they arent pure victims here. Both sides got away with one, both sides gave a bad crosscheck & paid the price. I don't get the temper tantrum coming from some media in EDM.

 

[DeltaSwede]

???



His legs up in the air, blades clearly visible at 16.7sec, heels of blades angled together to clasp McD's leg from 16.2 to 14.6.

Here's a hint... just in case you haven't skated in a while (or ever) if you want to get up/out when you are on the ice, it helps to try and dig your edge into the ice, rather than holding it unnaturally up in the air.

In contrast, McD has his skate on the ice and arm fully extended pushing up at 16.7 - ie away from Garland to get up.



View attachment 964724

View attachment 964722
View attachment 964723

View attachment 964727


How about these?
View attachment 964721
View attachment 964720

View attachment 964719

I'm not sure why I'm even entertaining this but to be fair to you maybe this is a definitions issue.

Wrapped means to fully embrace or place an arm, leg, finger around something, which the screenshots you've provided clearly shows is not happening. There is a lot of space between Garland skates as you somehow are not seeing in the screenshots you've posted. A hint is the color blue which is the color of McDavids pants. Also the skates not touching each other.. that's another clue.

Head-lock means a way of holding an opponent with your arm around their head so that they cannot move. This also, provided by your own screenshots, is clearly not what is happening. He's definitely pushing/holding McDavid but definitely not in a head-lock. The arm is usually around the other persons neck which again, is clearly not happening. On the video or in your own screenshots.

I don't understand your point anyways, are you saying this hypothetical/false scenario you're trying to convey - which you yourself in your screenshots have clearly pointed out is not whats happening - a reason for McDavid not to have been suspended or that it makes the cross check fair? I really don't get it.

What's the point in pretending something else is happening?

 

[PuckG]

For 2) you rarely see a penalty called under those circumstances. McDavid laid a hit, took him down and it looks like a typical tie up/scrum.

McDavid punching him? Penalty.
Garland grabbing McDavid again once up? Penalty.

The more I watch it, the less I think the initial little on ice scrum matters at all. We see those almost every game.

Your whole essay is mute when you blatantly ignore Garland’s initial hold and grab and label it “McDavid laid a hit, took him down.”

To help you out:

seriously? I've circled it for you in case you're going clinically blind

View attachment 964702

 

[DeltaSwede]

i could hold you for 15 seconds on the ice. you couldn't get away from me.

I like cuddling but not this much. No thank you.

If I were sitting on your back and you were holding my arm, I bet I could get up. Are you roughly the size of Garland?

 

[SupremeTeam16]

The situation certainly seems to have sparked a conversation about the excessive amount of infractions stars like McDavid have to fight through. I’ll bet anything we see the amount of calls McDavid draws spike in the second half to get his season at or just above his career average.

 

[PuckG]

I like cuddling but not this much. No thank you.

If I were sitting on your back and you were holding my arm, I bet I could get up. Are you roughly the size of Garland?

On ice, with one leg curled up between your legs and almost up your ass with a skate attached to the foot. You ain’t getting up for shit the same way McDavid wasn’t.

 

[McShogun99]

So will an Oiler go after Garland in this weeks game?

Why? It's not his fault that the refs didn't want to call a holding or interference penalty. He made a calculated decision with 20 seconds left to hold Mcdavid and probably figured he'd get called but by the time the refs called it and Canucks got possession of the puck the game would be over or there would be like 10 seconds left. It's probably a cheap play by the players code which is why you don't see it happen but I'm surprised we haven't seen that done more often over the years.

 

[PuckG]

So will an Oiler go after Garland in this weeks game?

No point, McDavid already retaliated.

Ideally, you target their stars the same way by gripping and holding them knowing the refs won’t call it, but that’s a gamble.

At the same time, not much of a point targeting the Canucks stars. Most have or will be disappearing anyways.