Mcdavid 5min Match Penalty: Cross check to the face of Garland (Suspended 3 games )

[robertocarlos]

In marketing, McDavid and AM are a nothing burger compared to Sid and Mac.

 

[Toby91ca]

Because I *did* watch the play. I like McDavid, I don't even know who Garland is. You're getting the most unbiased view of this possible from me. McDavid started the whole thing with a reverse hit on Garland and then jumping on him simply out of frustration because Garland knocked the puck off his stick. Garland then mixed it up with him and was obviously holding him down (turnabout it fair play IMO) and McDavid cross checked him in the face out of even more frustration. That's the entire story.

I think McDavid initiating the contact to throw a bit of a pick and as Garland was losing balance, he grabbed McDavid's arm and pulled him down....so it wasn't entirely like McDavid tackled him down and it only being later than Garland started holding him. None of this matters at all though....regardless of sequence of events, there is nothing that will help McDavid explain why he cross-checked a guy in the head.

 

[NVious]

This is bullshit! You can't suspend a guy like McDavid. This will end up costing him the Art Ross this year.

Just sent this post to NHL headquarters.

SUSPENSION RESCINDED

The Mulletman Hath Spoken

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

I think McDavid initiating the contact to throw a bit of a pick and as Garland was losing balance, he grabbed McDavid's arm and pulled him down....so it wasn't entirely like McDavid tackled him down and it only being later than Garland started holding him. None of this matters at all though....regardless of sequence of events, there is nothing that will help McDavid explain why he cross-checked a guy in the head.

Yes, agreed. Garland's not innocent in this. He definitely grabbed onto the best player in the world with 20 seconds left but McDavid opened himself up to that by starting the sequence. That's all I'm saying. It really should have been offsetting minors before the x-check happened and I bet Vancouver would have been just fine with that (which is possibly why the refs were hesitant to call it).

 

[DeltaSwede]

Can someone explain how Soucy only got 1 game for cross checking Mcdavid in the face or how Meier only got one game for his?


Legit I want to see a write up defending this.

I'll do the Soucy one even though it was beaten to death back when it happened.

Zadorov cross checks him from behind simultaneously as Soucy is throwing a cross check from in front. There was no intention from Soucy to actually hit his face but because of the cross check he received from behind his body was pushed forwards and downwards resulting in Soucy hitting him in the face instead of the chest like he intended to.

It was during the playoffs - historically, this means suspensions are shorter than in the regular season.

No intent and fully circumstantial/accidental + playoff game = 1 game. Honestly still think it was a stretch he was even suspended for it but he was.

I don't necessarily agree that there should be any difference made between the playoffs and the regular season but there is.

 

[CROTT]

Yes, agreed. Garland's not innocent in this. He definitely grabbed onto the best player in the world with 20 seconds left but McDavid opened himself up to that by starting the sequence. That's all I'm saying. It really should have been offsetting minors before the x-check happened and I bet Vancouver would have been just fine with that (which is possibly why the refs were hesitant to call it).

McDavid was playing the puck, Garland hit him and immediately grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him down and held it under himself for a good six seconds. While trying to get away McDavid looks at the ref beside the net and sees that he’s for some reason not calling a clear holding penalty. McDavid then brakes free by hitting Garland and gets set and tries to read the play when Garland grabs and tackles him again.

Any thing McDavid should have been giving a penalty for prior to the cross check, maybe roughing at worst as he fought to get free pales in comparison to Garland’s BS hold.

 

[OilersFanatics505]

Multiple things can be true in this situation. While McDavid draws a lot of penalties, there's a lot of misses. That leads to frustration and blowing a gasket where he committed an infraction that deserved a suspension.

You’re right… they missed his high stick to someone’s throat

 

[zizbuka]

what did Connor say to throw a tantrum?

"According to a report, McDavid is considering cutting back on NHL promotional events throughout the year and leading into the 4 Nations Face-Off Tournament, with the claim that the NHL need to protect their stars better on the ice."

 

[PuckG]

"According to a report, McDavid is considering cutting back on NHL promotional events throughout the year and leading into the 4 Nations Face-Off Tournament, with the claim that the NHL need to protect their stars better on the ice."

Which report?

 

[FlyguyOX]

Worth it

 

[bucks_oil]

Because I *did* watch the play. I like McDavid, I don't even know who Garland is. You're getting the most unbiased view of this possible from me. McDavid started the whole thing with a reverse hit on Garland and then jumping on him simply out of frustration because Garland knocked the puck off his stick. Garland then mixed it up with him and was obviously holding him down (turnabout it fair play IMO) and McDavid cross checked him in the face out of even more frustration. That's the entire story.

You have an... odd... take on this.

If you know these players, what you'd see is:
1) At the 8-9 second mark, McDavid is dropping his shoulder not to "reverse hit" Garland, but to drive past him and protect the puck. "Reverse hit" is a bad take on your side, McDavid drops shoulder to drive through gaps 10 times a night. It was a great, traditionally "power forward" move.
2) Garland makes a great defensive play, knocking the puck off McD's stick, so it's now behind him and McDavid reaches back for it.
3) Garland's poke required him to sacrifice his body, and lunge across McD's path, so I guess that's what you called a "reverse hit"
4) As a result (Garland contact with McD and McD reaching back while still trying to drive forward) they are both going down. McDavid did not "jump" on Garland. At that point he's still 100% motivated to stay up and recover that puck. So that's a 2nd terribly illogical take on your side.
5) At 10 seconds, you can clearly see Garland has McD's arm.
6) At 13 seconds, you can clearly see McD is struggling to get up, because now Garland has wrapped his legs around McD's right leg. Garland doing everything he can to keep McD down and out (100% logical) and McD doing everything he can to get up and win the game (100% logical).
7) At 15 seconds, Garland still has his leg wrapped.
8) At 16 seconds, after Garland has been holding him for SIX FULL SECONDS McDavid hauls off and decks him. Good on him IMO.
9) At 17 seconds he's up, but at 18 seconds, Garland, still on his knees, has wrapped both hands around McDavid. Still not giving up on letting McD go. Obviously way, way, way over the rule line, but he's committed at this point.
10) At 20 seconds, Garland has McDavid hauled down again.
11) At 21-22 seconds, Garland has a headlock on McD.
12) At 23 seconds McD breaks free and cross checks Garland.

That's TWELVE FULL SECONDS of obstruction by Garland. I understand why he does that... it's way outside the rulebook, but he's desperate and holding onto McD is all he can do. Honestly, he's just doing everything the NHL will let him get away with to hold onto his job (this is not how Garland used to play).

Similarly, I can completely understand why McD lost his shit there. Three games is a valid sentence, I'll take it and honestly, I hope he does more of this when guys pull the crap that Garland did. It's a friggen' eyesore and black eye on the NHL. And when McD, or MacK, or Crosby, or whoever lose their crap, at least it highlights how incompetent the reffing is.

 

[DANOZ28]

imo any play where a player intends to injure another should be severely punished. thats the only way i see the quality of the game improving.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

McDavid was playing the puck, Garland hit him and immediately grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him down and held it under himself for a good six seconds. While trying to get away McDavid looks at the ref beside the net and sees that he’s for some reason not calling a clear holding penalty. McDavid then brakes free by hitting Garland and gets set and tries to read the play when Garland grabs and tackles him again.

Any thing McDavid should have been giving a penalty for prior to the cross check, maybe roughing at worst as he fought to get free pales in comparison to Garland’s BS hold.

Bullshit. That's not at all how it happened. McDavid initiated it.

 

[CROTT]

Bullshit. That's not at all how it happened. McDavid initiated it.

Initiated what, he’s not allowed to play the puck and have Garland check him? It was a normal, legal, and actually good play by Garland until he grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him downs and continued to hold on to it. Garland has actually admitted to this.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

You have an... odd... take on this.

If you know these players, what you'd see is:
1) At the 8-9 second mark, McDavid is dropping his shoulder not to "reverse hit" Garland, but to drive past him and protect the puck. "Reverse hit" is a bad take on your side, McDavid drops shoulder to drive through gaps 10 times a night. It was a great, traditionally "power forward" move.
2) Garland makes a great defensive play, knocking the puck off McD's stick, so it's now behind him and McDavid reaches back for it.
3) Garland's poke required him to sacrifice his body, and lunge across McD's path, so I guess that's what you called a "reverse hit"
4) As a result (Garland contact with McD and McD reaching back while still trying to drive forward) they are both going down. McDavid did not "jump" on Garland. At that point he's still 100% motivated to stay up and recover that puck. So that's a 2nd terribly illogical take on your side.
5) At 10 seconds, you can clearly see Garland has McD's arm.
6) At 13 seconds, you can clearly see McD is struggling to get up, because now Garland has wrapped his legs around McD's right leg. Garland doing everything he can to keep McD down and out (100% logical) and McD doing everything he can to get up and win the game (100% logical).
7) At 15 seconds, Garland still has his leg wrapped.
8) At 16 seconds, after Garland has been holding him for SIX FULL SECONDS McDavid hauls off and decks him. Good on him IMO.
9) At 17 seconds he's up, but at 18 seconds, Garland, still on his knees, has wrapped both hands around McDavid. Still not giving up on letting McD go. Obviously way, way, way over the rule line, but he's committed at this point.
10) At 20 seconds, Garland has McDavid hauled down again.
11) At 21-22 seconds, Garland has a headlock on McD.
12) At 23 seconds McD breaks free and cross checks Garland.

That's TWELVE FULL SECONDS of obstruction by Garland. I understand why he does that... it's way outside the rulebook, but he's desperate and holding onto McD is all he can do. Honestly, he's just doing everything the NHL will let him get away with to hold onto his job (this is not how Garland used to play).

Similarly, I can completely understand why McD lost his shit there. Three games is a valid sentence, I'll take it and honestly, I hope he does more of this when guys pull the crap that Garland did. It's a friggen' eyesore and black eye on the NHL. And when McD, or MacK, or Crosby, or whoever lose their crap, at least it highlights how incompetent the reffing is.

Nah, my take on this is just fine. Garland is clearly turning away after poking the puck off McDavid's stick, McDavid lunges into Garland. He started it and Garland took advantage of the situation to grapple with him. McDavid doesn't like how it turned out and cross checks him in the face. It's as simple as that. I don't need a wall of text to tell my side.

 

[Muffin]

Probably the part that pisses him off the most:
Under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and, based on his average annual salary, McDavid will forfeit $195,312.51.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Initiated what, he’s not allowed to play the puck and have Garland check him? It was a normal, legal, and actually good play by Garland until he grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him downs and continued to hold on to it. Garland has actually admitted to this.

Garland never checked him (assuming you mean body contact). Look at it again. He pokes the puck away and turns to skate away. McDavid initiates all body contact,

 

[CROTT]

Garland never checked him (assuming you mean body contact). Look at it again. He pokes the puck away and turns to skate away. McDavid initiates all body contact,

Check mean stop opposing player, it’s not necessarily a hit. McDavid was the puck carrier he can hit people that stand in his way.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Love the new heel McDavid

 

[Rodgerwilco]

Probably the part that pisses him off the most:
Under the terms of the Collective Bargaining Agreement and, based on his average annual salary, McDavid will forfeit $195,312.51.

Welp, that's the cost of doing business frustratedly cross-checking someone in the head. I wonder if they'll do an after-the-fact appeal to recoup some of the financial penalty.

 

[NVious]

Love the new heel McDavid

Scoring is overrated, all the kids wanna rack up suspensions and PIMs, #MattRempeEffect in full play.

 

[DeltaSwede]

You have an... odd... take on this.

If you know these players, what you'd see is:
1) At the 8-9 second mark, McDavid is dropping his shoulder not to "reverse hit" Garland, but to drive past him and protect the puck. "Reverse hit" is a bad take on your side, McDavid drops shoulder to drive through gaps 10 times a night. It was a great, traditionally "power forward" move.
2) Garland makes a great defensive play, knocking the puck off McD's stick, so it's now behind him and McDavid reaches back for it.
3) Garland's poke required him to sacrifice his body, and lunge across McD's path, so I guess that's what you called a "reverse hit"
4) As a result (Garland contact with McD and McD reaching back while still trying to drive forward) they are both going down. McDavid did not "jump" on Garland. At that point he's still 100% motivated to stay up and recover that puck. So that's a 2nd terribly illogical take on your side.
5) At 10 seconds, you can clearly see Garland has McD's arm.
6) At 13 seconds, you can clearly see McD is struggling to get up, because now Garland has wrapped his legs around McD's right leg. Garland doing everything he can to keep McD down and out (100% logical) and McD doing everything he can to get up and win the game (100% logical).
7) At 15 seconds, Garland still has his leg wrapped.
8) At 16 seconds, after Garland has been holding him for SIX FULL SECONDS McDavid hauls off and decks him. Good on him IMO.
9) At 17 seconds he's up, but at 18 seconds, Garland, still on his knees, has wrapped both hands around McDavid. Still not giving up on letting McD go. Obviously way, way, way over the rule line, but he's committed at this point.
10) At 20 seconds, Garland has McDavid hauled down again.
11) At 21-22 seconds, Garland has a headlock on McD.
12) At 23 seconds McD breaks free and cross checks Garland.

That's TWELVE FULL SECONDS of obstruction by Garland. I understand why he does that... it's way outside the rulebook, but he's desperate and holding onto McD is all he can do. Honestly, he's just doing everything the NHL will let him get away with to hold onto his job (this is not how Garland used to play).

Similarly, I can completely understand why McD lost his shit there. Three games is a valid sentence, I'll take it and honestly, I hope he does more of this when guys pull the crap that Garland did. It's a friggen' eyesore and black eye on the NHL. And when McD, or MacK, or Crosby, or whoever lose their crap, at least it highlights how incompetent the reffing is.

I really don't see how you can take yourself serious at the same time you're saying that Garland has his legs wrapped around McDavid. McDavid isn't looking at the ref, he's following the play as Bouchard has a chance that's developing. Once Bouchard has had his shot, McDavid stops lying on top of Garland and tries to get his arm back from him. At no point throughout any of this has Garland got his legs wrapped around McDavids leg. McDavids got his right leg inbetween Garlands (who is on his stomach btw) and as soon as the Bouchard chance is over he picks his leg up, skate to the ice, and for the first time actually tries to get up. He could've done that at any point up until then.

Garland doing anything he can to hold him down? By holding onto his arm with McDavid on his back? Ok. Again, Oilers fans seem to be insinuating that Garland is the Hulk and McDavid is the weakest player in the league. Getting absolutely manhandled, bodied, shamed, and over powered without being able to move an inch by the 5'8 BEAST Connor Garland. What a joke. I mean.. what??

Edit: Just watched the video again for about the 30th time. Where the hell is the headlock you are talking about?? Why even lie about something that's on video that we've all seen? Broo... what is going on

 

[EdmFlyersfan]

Love the new heel McDavid

He's imitating 1996 "Bash at the Beach" heel turn...head-shot on the Minny player, suspension, now "sticking it to the fans" by not going to events...

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

Check mean stop opposing player, it’s not necessarily a hit. McDavid was the puck carrier he can hit people that stand in his way.

If you think the best skater in the world couldn't stop himself from running into and falling on another player who was turning away, I'm not the one seeing it wrong.

 

[CROTT]

If you think the best skater in the world couldn't stop himself from running into and falling on another player who was turning away, I'm not the one seeing it wrong.

Cause as soon as McDavid and Garland came together, Garland grabbed McDavids arm and pulled him down with him. It’s clear as day.