Maybe time for HF to look in the mirror and shut this one down.

[The Crypto Guy]

And what would shutting down this subforum accomplish?

Clearly it would end fighting in hockey. A memo would quickly spread among the NHL that the HFBoards shut down the hockey fights sub and the players would no longer have any interest in fighting.

 

[Slats432]

I’m not offended I’m just pointing out your error in reasoning

Most of the members are from NA, and I am sure it is a majority that don't have a problem with a forum for fighting, but the softness, and wokeness of society tries to place that burden on the rest of us. I am not actually a big proponent of fighting. I grew up watching in the 70s and 80s, but I have no problem with those who prefer to not have it in the game.

But until it is a universally banned aspect of the game, why someone has to get all up in their feels to try to get a board removed from HFBoards is beyond me. If you don't like the brutality of MMA, then don't go to their board. If you are a member of PETA, don't go to the Horseracing forums. If you don't like the fact that the NFL is brutal on the brains of young men, don't support the NFL.

People get to make their choices. I respect yours. You should respect others'.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Most of the members are from NA, and I am sure it is a majority that don't have a problem with a forum for fighting, but the softness, and wokeness of society tries to place that burden on the rest of us. I am not actually a big proponent of fighting. I grew up watching in the 70s and 80s, but I have no problem with those who prefer to not have it in the game.

But until it is a universally banned aspect of the game, why someone has to get all up in their feels to try to get a board removed from HFBoards is beyond me. If you don't like the brutality of MMA, then don't go to their board. If you are a member of PETA, don't go to the Horseracing forums. If you don't like the fact that the NFL is brutal on the brains of young men, don't support the NFL.

People get to make their choices. I respect yours. You should respect others'.

I’m not the one advocating for the board being removed, maybe you have me confused?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Fighting in the fighting subforum, delicious.

 

[Slats432]

Fighting in the fighting subforum, delicious.

 

[Fenian24]

 

[Beerz]

Pretty soon we will all be staying indoors not doing anything. Why take the risk of stepping outside? Bad things happen outdoors.

 

[sr edler]

I remember thinking when this sub-forum popped up a couple of years ago that it was a little bit of weird timing since fighting has become such a peripheral part of the game nowadays.

Personally I'm not in any camp. I don't particularly hate it, but I certainly don't love it either, but I always found staged fighting and goons to be kind of a blemish on the sport, making it a bit sideshow-ish or cartoonish, even if it can be kinda entertaining as well (in a PT Barnum kinda way) sometimes. But there's a good reason fighting often goes down in the playoffs.

Also imagine if you're watching the World Cup finals or whatever and someone is pushing the play in one direction, but suddenly the refs just blow the action dead because totally off-play some goon decided to start fist-fighting some other goon. It's just kinda..... dumb.

 

[MeHateHe]

Some of you are too punchy in this thread. I mean, it's topic worth grappling with, but there's a lot of hitting below the belt and a few rabbit punches being thrown.

 

[SUX2BU]

 

[HabzSauce]

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I think anyone over the age of 15 (birth year has nothing to do with it, common sense does) should be well aware that getting hit in the noggin can't be good for your long-term brain health. Same thing applies to hitting others in the noggin. Better pay than pumping gas though.

Things you can do that might help your guilt:

1. Charitable donation to CTE research
2. Last Will and Testament to CTE research
3. Letters of condolence to affected families
4. Watch less physical sports such as golf, ladies hockey, etc. and avoid watching football, soccer, men's hockey, boxing, MMA, baseball, basketball, etc.

Things that might help with your guilt but will not solve any problems:

1. Donating a few minutes of your time whining like a wokie on a free internet forum about injuries in pro sports.

I am sure enforcers are aware of the risks but that's price you pay to do what you do. Most of these guys that fight are built for it. Boxers and UFC same thing - they kill each other because they love it

 

[DaaaaB's]

I remember thinking when this sub-forum popped up a couple of years ago that it was a little bit of weird timing since fighting has become such a peripheral part of the game nowadays

I'm pretty sure this sub forum popped up about 15 years ago not just a couple.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

How would shutting down this sub change anything at all? Also why

After another union member goes down. Stephan Peat. I never even heard the name before , there is a 2017 thread start for him HERE of HF. Real sad case. Yes, I'll enjoy a REAL scrap once in a while. A good clean hit is way more satisfying to me now vs 2 guys hugging for 30 seconds. There are the occasional fighters and the enforcers union, THOSE guys are the ones getting chewed up and spit out. They all roll the dice. Lotta guys in this category are rolling craps. Check out the full legit JAMA study on this employment group.

Eliminate fighting no. Better health and safety protocols - yes. These guys have the riskiest job in the league. Treat it like a insurance table. Every player and team should be upping the contribution to the fund by a 10,000% A guy needs 24/7 care?
part of the contract terms.

Woke. Or just realistic? I know nothing will happen until the NEXT class action suit comes with a harsh financial penalty that really hurts the owners,


Article: The Penalty for Hockey’s Enforcers May Be Premature Death
STUDY : Fighting and Penalty Minutes Associated With Long-term Mortality Among NHL Players

Most important table:
Mi and Neo are heart attack and cancers, next three almost exclusive to the enforcers.
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How would shutting down this sub change anything at all? Also no mention of the rampant drug addictions these players also had, that likely contributed heavily to their deaths.
The enforcer days are clearly behind us, the entire league now has less enforcers than a single team did back in the day.

 

[hangman005]

I'm pretty sure this sub forum popped up about 15 years ago not just a couple.

15 years.... still sounds like the other day to me

 

[HabsAddict]

I shouldn't have my feelings hurt or others reading about something I don't like. So shut it down....

 

[Neil Racki]

Boo! Boo this man.

I made this movie reference as a joke at work last week .. receptionists didnt get it .. i had to explain the movie scene ...

yeah ..

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I shouldn't have my feelings hurt or others reading about something I don't like. So shut it down....

its ironic that this post could apply to both the OP, and the posters melting down ITT about the OP

I personally don’t think this subforum should be shut down because otherwise every new fight gets a new thread in the main forum and clutters the mains with threads appealing to a relatively niche interest.

I do think that as long as this subforum is around, any thread about fighting is fair game, whether pro or con or something in between.

 

[Crosby2010]

I am trying to follow here, but what is it about Peat specifically that gets fighting brought up? Peat barely played in the NHL, he played 130 games. There was a time in the 1990s where there was some awful scouting and drafting, and I pick this decade specifically because of the Lindros factor. 1991 comes around and Lindros is this combination of size, strength and skill that we had never seen before. This causes GMs to sometimes ignore smaller players and salivate over a guy who is 6'4" or 6'5" and then hope that maybe somewhere along the way they can teach him to play hockey. Hence, this is why a guy like Peat was drafted in the 2nd round in 1998. Even in juniors he couldn't score. He had a high of 18 points in his junior career, that's it. He could fight and that was about it. Thankfully this era didn't last, and there really wasn't this bad of drafting in the 1980s or even 1970s and there hasn't been since then. Hopefully someone in the Caps management at least tried to debate and ask why the Caps were wasting a 2nd round pick on a guy who likely could barely skate. Even Probert and Domi and such could provide offense, and their junior careers they could score, especially Probert (you'd be surprised). Domi throughout his whole career could actually skate quite fast if people remember.

Not Peat's fault, he got paid to do this, but he did it for three seasons. This wasn't a guy who got tons of brain damage over 20 years with NHL fights. He didn't last, and didn't even last in the minors and he was gone. Probably best known for getting into a bar fight back in 2000 (I think?) when some guys approached him and then-teammate Kris Beech and then getting stabbed. Plus he died from a car accident. What does any of this have to do with fighting?

 

[HairyKneel]

Or just don't read the thread.

I really want to respond here but that guy is.........a gal

 

[HairyKneel]

It's like Bob Gassoff dying hammered on a motorbike at Garry Ungers place.

Gassoff BTW was the biggest bad ass ever. He's wipe his ass with Gillies or Schultz.

The game is so different. The fella whining about it likely squats to piss

 

[Nogatco Rd]

It's like Bob Gassoff dying hammered on a motorbike at Garry Ungers place.

Gassoff BTW was the biggest bad ass ever. He's wipe his ass with Gillies or Schultz.

The game is so different. The fella whining about it likely squats to piss

Don’t really understand this post but to your last point, I recently found out that that is customary in Germany.