GDT: May 5 • Slovakia vs. Slovenia

[TopT]

I'm far from being a fan of Slovenia, but it was obvious that the refs made a series of calls in favor of Slovakia and missed a couple of penalties on the Slovakian side.

It almost certainly wasn't intentional, but the refs did help you A LOT.

I can confirm that; he is not

 

[jcbio11]

Kopecky was seriously horrible. I mean heavy, serious way that you rarely see in world championships. I think he's done for the tournament.. He looked liked beer league 4th liner with the puck at some point, took maybe one kick of skates when getting the puck, then just waiting how long it takes before some one takes the puck back..

You might actually be right. They did play so much better in the third without him and the assistant coach kind of said something in that sense.

I do feel sorry for him if that's the case. He's had a bad season for the Panthers in Florida and now he gets benched as a captain.

 

[QnebO]

Completely agree with you and fortunately the coaching staff has noticed this too and acted, but what puzzles me is what do we do with it going forward? I mean he is our captain, do we just bench the captain for the rest of the tournament? That would be cool in away.

He was so bad, I think he will just be benched. They can't seriously bring guy like that in tougher game. I don't know at all what is wrong with him, it was so horrific that he wouldn't have even dreamed about NHL if he always was like that. Injury or something? Even if it was hangover, it would be really bad one.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Lintner is funny even when he's being serious.

It's too bad he only got a non-answer from Orszagh for the tactics question.

You might actually be right. They did play so much better in the third without him and the assistant coach kind of said something in that sense.

I do feel sorry for him if that's the case. He's had a bad season for the Panthers in Florida and now he gets benched as a captain.

Then again 99% of the 5 million hockey coaches in Slovakia saw this coming even before the tourney.

 

[tobu]

He was so bad, I think he will just be benched. They can't seriously bring guy like that in tougher game. I don't know at all what is wrong with him, it was so horrific that he wouldn't have even dreamed about NHL if he always was like that. Injury or something?

He had a horrible season with the Panthers this year, he brought it over to Ostrava. I don't know what's wrong with him, he used to be all over the ice, a hard worker, strong on the puck, physical. He looks lost now. I feel bad for him.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

He was so bad, I think he will just be benched. They can't seriously bring guy like that in tougher game. I don't know at all what is wrong with him, it was so horrific that he wouldn't have even dreamed about NHL if he always was like that. Injury or something? Even if it was hangover, it would be really bad one.

He suffered a concussion in the game against Slovenia at the Olympics last year and hasn't been his old self since then. Tough to believe that this is the same player as in the 2012 WC (I'm not gonna mention 2010 Olympics because he had players like Demitra and Hossa to play with there).

 

[QnebO]

He had a horrible season with the Panthers this year, he brought it over to Ostrava. I don't know what's wrong with him, he used to be all over the ice, a hard worker, strong on the puck, physical. He looks lost now. I feel bad for him.

Low confidence does alot, but today it looked like he had no wheels at all.. physical form bad, injuries? Maybe they'll not bench him after all, just to help an good old friend, if he was the hard working guy before.. Playwise should be, but if he's "the good guy", and the fact he is captain..

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Low confidence does alot, but today it looked like he had no wheels at all.. physical form bad, injuries? Maybe they'll not bench him after all, just to help an good old friend, if he was the hard working guy before.. Playwise should be, but if he's "the good guy", and the fact he is captain..

Well, the Slovak fans kinda managed to help to sit Stumpel in 2013 and the outcry for Kopecky might be even slightly bigger than that.

Actually, it reminds me a bit of 2012 when we played much better when we benched Marcel Hossa or at least gave him minor minutes and he got injured then and was out for the rest of the tourney.

 

[Dueling Banjos]

We got robbed but anyway congrats Slovakia. There's no place for primitivism anywhere, so is not here, you have to make a step back and realize miracle on ice we are doing here, even if it hurts currently. Thank you guys, looking forward to next games.

 

[QnebO]

We got robbed but anyway congrats Slovakia. There's no place for primitivism anywhere, so is not here, you have to make a step back and realize miracle on ice we are doing here, even if it hurts currently. Thank you guys, looking forward to next games.

You guys have been improving. Good luck bro, hate that some one has to be relegated. Not betting it's gonna be you, you guys have solid team.

I'm happy that there is still group that doesn't usually have to worry about getting relegated.. these easy days might be over with this pace in 10-20 years.

 

[slovakiasnextone]

We got robbed but anyway congrats Slovakia. There's no place for primitivism anywhere, so is not here, you have to make a step back and realize miracle on ice we are doing here, even if it hurts currently. Thank you guys, looking forward to next games.

Good game for you, guys and it's not like you're done for, especially considering the team Denmark brought this year.

Tbh, this evening I felt most sorry for the Slovak fans who had to pay what wasn't little money for most of them and who had to suffer through those first two periods, so at least they got something in the end.

 

[Bluesgirl]

good luck to Slovenia for the rest of the tourney I like your team, you always worry me and I have to admit the refs kind of were on our side, but on the other hand, we have been robbed by the refs multiple times in the past espacially when playing against Canada or Sweden or any other top team

 

[tobu]

Entire 3rd period here, not ideal quality but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92OkAfGHDMg&hd=1

9:24 first questionable penalty
Music rams into the goal and dislocates it. Referee blows a faul for intent. Hard to prove intent, but ref made a call. From the highlights it does seem he went into it with his hand, then lost balance and fell down. Easy to argue it was non-intentional though.

11:40 questionable no-call
during the above powerplay just before scoring, a Hudacek and Kopitar get in contact, Kopitar ends up on the ground and Slovakia eventually score. My take on it, Hudacek never left the ice, skates stayed down, contact was made with Hudacek's shoulder against Kopitars left arm, Kopitar got into a spin it appears he may have hit his own face with his own arm during the contact. Nothing to call here. Slovakia scores.

14:34 second questionable penalty
In my opinion clear tripping, Slovene left his foot there and tripped the Slovak, a right call.

So this is my analysis of the 3 situations, the first may have been unnecessary call, others were fine.

With the two bad calls in the first on both sides, this would still not make it a biased game.

 

[Dueling Banjos]

Thanks. Yeah reffing goes both way, on long run mainly. We can realistically look forward to win against at least one of next opponents. We haven't been badly outplayed by any opponent so far, ok Russia, but figure, we have 3 KHL-ers, they have KHL.

 

[geri]

strange this discussion here about referees. of course they didnt help slovakia and of course it didnt decide game at all.
what almost decided the game was slovakia bad performance in 1+2 tretina. i couldnt believe what i saw, neither my slovak wife. almost every contact with slovens we lost puck easily, no shots, to complicated, no confidence... finally in 3rd it worked better and well deserved win.
compliments to slovenia, i believe you stay, as you would win denmark and probably norway too.

 

[Woodhouse]

For the lazy, here are gif's of those three decisions:

 

[Bluesgirl]

Thanks. Yeah reffing goes both way, on long run mainly. We can realistically look forward to win against at least one of next opponents. We haven't been badly outplayed by any opponent so far, ok Russia, but figure, we have 3 KHL-ers, they have KHL.

no worries, you will stay, you have good players, I really like how the only Slovenian guy in the NHL can make the whole team better. Too bad we cant say that about gaborik anymore

 

[Dueling Banjos]

Entire 3rd period here, not ideal quality but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92OkAfGHDMg&hd=1

9:24 first questionable penalty
Music rams into the goal and dislocates it. Referee blows a faul for intent. Hard to prove intent, but ref made a call. From the highlights it does seem he went into it with his hand, then lost balance and fell down. Easy to argue it was non-intentional though.

11:40 questionable no-call
during the above powerplay just before scoring, a Hudacek and Kopitar get in contact, Kopitar ends up on the ground and Slovakia eventually score. My take on it, Hudacek never left the ice, skates stayed down, contact was made with Hudacek's shoulder against Kopitars left arm, Kopitar got into a spin it appears he may have hit his own face with his own arm during the contact. Nothing to call here. Slovakia scores.

14:34 second questionable penalty
In my opinion clear tripping, Slovene left his foot there and tripped the Slovak, a right call.

So this is my analysis of the 3 situations, the first may have been unnecessary call, others were fine.

With the two bad calls in the first on both sides, this would still not make it a biased game.

1st, i strongly doubt he went for goal dislocation, puck was behind the net already, at first i thought he was rammed into the net but that wasn't the case, seems like dislocation just happened in a rush.

2nd, i can't really tell, it was close and happened behind Kopi's back, he may have hit his head while Kopi was touching the puck (so is that penalty if one player is touching the puck, if only for a second, and the other runs him down touching his upper body or head first? Does it count as possession if he just touched the puck and was not possessing it per-se but only at that very moment - puck was deflected back so i assume Kopi touched it at that particular moment), on the other hand it might seem as unfortunate collision and therefor correctly uncalled.

3rd, yeah i'd call that tripping as well, depends on the position of the ref but from cam's point it can easily be called just as it was.

 

[TopT]

Entire 3rd period here, not ideal quality but still. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92OkAfGHDMg&hd=1

9:24 first questionable penalty
Music rams into the goal and dislocates it. Referee blows a faul for intent. Hard to prove intent, but ref made a call. From the highlights it does seem he went into it with his hand, then lost balance and fell down. Easy to argue it was non-intentional though.

11:40 questionable no-call
during the above powerplay just before scoring, a Hudacek and Kopitar get in contact, Kopitar ends up on the ground and Slovakia eventually score. My take on it, Hudacek never left the ice, skates stayed down, contact was made with Hudacek's shoulder against Kopitars left arm, Kopitar got into a spin it appears he may have hit his own face with his own arm during the contact. Nothing to call here. Slovakia scores.

14:34 second questionable penalty
In my opinion clear tripping, Slovene left his foot there and tripped the Slovak, a right call.

So this is my analysis of the 3 situations, the first may have been unnecessary call, others were fine.

With the two bad calls in the first on both sides, this would still not make it a biased game.

Did Kopitar have the puck ? It was clear interference

 

[Dueling Banjos]

There's one good way in trying to beat your own feelings and biases. Just reverse jerseys of both guys in your head and you might get closer to correct answer, it doesn't work every time of course but often it does.

 

[menjek]

Just came from pub.. hmm i as slovakian felt refs were clearly on slovenian side looking on Woodhouse gifs, all correct decisions by them.

 

[NewHopeForEveryone]

Just came from pub.. hmm i as slovakian felt refs were clearly on slovenian side looking on Woodhouse gifs, all correct decisions by them.

Finally trolls from slovakia found their way to this forum...they weren't on anyone side...they were just bad, and on both sides there were questionable calls, if it was Tatars penalty or that dislocation of net...i dont see anything bad with that tripping call or Hudacek-Kopitar incident...still it was hard battled win for Slovakia with lower tier team and i'm afraid they wont have this luck against Finns, USA or Russians

 

[slovakiasnextone]

Music ramming into the net doesn't seem to be intentional from the gif, though you have to wonder how it looked from the refs point of view.

I don't think that the Hudacek hit can be judged from the camera view that is provided in the gif. I heard the refs was a Russian, was he from the KHL? Perhaps he was just as shocked as me seeing Hudacek going for physical contact as he's hardly been in any all season long.

Tripping on Jurco was a good call, probably not intentional on Ticar's side, but intent doesn't matter when it comes to these kind of calls.

Yes, we can argue about some of these calls, but from some of the reactions on here you'd think that the refs called 10 penalties in Slovakia's favor and then didn't call 10 in Slovenia's favor, while those 10 PPs Slovenia got was while they were attacking and were offensive fouls, while the calls actually resulted from improved presence of Slovakia in the attacking zone prior to any of those penalties happening.

 

[Faterson]

Music ramming into the net doesn't seem to be intentional from the gif

Depends on camera angle, GIF speed, etc. I'd say it does strike me as intentional from the first camera angle (from the side), and not so much from above. Because the referee is present on the ice along with the players, and is not hanging over the ice from the roof, perhaps he saw it similarly.

Never mind... I saw no appreciable bias on the part of referees; at most, unintentional imprecision. Referees are human, too.

 

[AwesomePanthers]

Just came from pub.. hmm i as slovakian felt refs were clearly on slovenian side looking on Woodhouse gifs, all correct decisions by them.

Not sure if serious

One dive, one were the Slovak player pushes the player into the net, the Slovenian player gets delay of game and Slovakia scores. It was a bit one-sided reffing yesterday, but its in the books. Now I hope we ****ing crush you guys