GDT: May 22 • Quarterfinal • Canada 2, Finland 3

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Amazing victory. We had worst team in decades vs Canadian C team. This team really surprises me, they suck ass like they are expected to, but when they meet good team like Russia/Canada they atleast make it somewhat close, and with Rinne and help from Scrivens they even managed to win! Onward to lose to Czech 7-1!
 
Oh I'm well aware this was not canadas best team either but when you start using americans as your filler...

How is Kane canadian? Lol

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NHL Canadiens

30 SCRIVENS Ben L 188/6'2'' 88/194 11 Sep 1986 Edmonton Oilers
34 REIMER James L 188/6'2'' 95/209 15 Mar 1988 Toronto Maple Leafs
35 PETERS Justin L 185/6'1'' 96/212 30 Aug 1986 Carolina Hurricanes
Defenders
3 BIEKSA Kevin R 185/6'1'' 90/198 16 Jun 1981 Vancouver Canucks
4 ELLIS Ryan R 178/5'10'' 80/176 3 Jan 1991 Nashville Predators
5 GARRISON Jason L 188/6'2'' 99/218 13 Nov 1984 Vancouver Canucks
24 RIELLY Morgan L 185/6'1'' 93/205 9 Mar 1994 Toronto Maple Leafs
27 COBURN Braydon L 192/6'4'' 100/220 27 Feb 1985 Philadelphia Flyers
44 GUDBRANSON Erik R 195/6'5'' 98/216 7 Jan 1992 Florida Panthers
57 MYERS Tyler R 203/6'8'' 103/227 1 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
Forwards
7 TURRIS Kyle R 185/6'1'' 77/170 14 Aug 1989 Ottawa Senators
10 SCHENN Brayden L 185/6'1'' 86/190 22 Aug 1991 Philadelphia Flyers
11 HUBERDEAU Jonathan L 185/6'1'' 86/190 4 Jun 1993 Florida Panthers
14 BURROWS Alex L 185/6'1'' 86/190 11 Apr 1981 Vancouver Canucks
19 HODGSON Cody R 183/6'0'' 83/183 18 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
20 BROUWER Troy R 191/6'3'' 97/214 17 Aug 1985 Washington Capitals
21 READ Matt R 183/6'0'' 85/187 14 Jun 1986 Philadelphia Flyers
23 MONAHAN Sean L 188/6'2'' 84/185 12 Oct 1994 Calgary Flames
25 CHIMERA Jason L 190/6'3'' 97/214 2 May 1979 Washington Capitals
29 MACKINNON Nathan R 183/6'0'' 83/183 1 Sep 1995 Colorado Avalanche
42 WARD Joel R 186/6'1'' 103/227 2 Dec 1980 Washington Capitals
43 KADRI Nazem L 183/6'0'' 86/190 6 Oct 1990 Toronto Maple Leafs
55 SCHEIFELE Mark R 188/6'2'' 89/196 15 Mar 1993 Winnipeg Jets

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NHL finns:

35 RINNE Pekka L 196/6'5'' 89/196 3 Nov 1982 Nashville Predators
56 HAULA Erik L 180/5'11'' 85/187 23 Mar 1991 Minnesota Wild
12 JOKINEN Olli L 189/6'2'' 95/209 5 Dec 1978 Winnipeg Jets

NHL is overrated these days after the sharp top point these players are not even so much better than Liiga and KHL players as many people think.

Hey File!!

You were saying?

Like I was saying, the whole rant that some finnish fans were saying about how they had no chance was always just a big hose job.

If they had lost today they could just fluff it off and say they never had a chance, look at all the NHL players Canada has!!

And if they won, well, you see the results.

Just like I had told you about.

Doubtful many could have been fooled with that childish little gag however.

I know I wasn't and said so to you before the game.
 
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Amazing victory. We had worst team in decades vs Canadian C team. This team really surprises me, they suck ass like they are expected to, but when they meet good team like Russia/Canada they atleast make it somewhat close, and with Rinne and help from Scrivens they even managed to win! Onward to lose to Czech 7-1!

Not sure I would call this a C team since none of these would be considered potential Olympians.

Anyway I don't think anyone excepted Canada to win with this team.

Hockey Canada really should do with Europe does and pick a system to play and teach it to their juniors and then follow that same system in the WHC and Olympics. Hiring one coach to coach all there teams would also help or at least get the coach's on the same page.
 
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NHL Canadiens

30 SCRIVENS Ben L 188/6'2'' 88/194 11 Sep 1986 Edmonton Oilers
34 REIMER James L 188/6'2'' 95/209 15 Mar 1988 Toronto Maple Leafs
35 PETERS Justin L 185/6'1'' 96/212 30 Aug 1986 Carolina Hurricanes
Defenders
3 BIEKSA Kevin R 185/6'1'' 90/198 16 Jun 1981 Vancouver Canucks
4 ELLIS Ryan R 178/5'10'' 80/176 3 Jan 1991 Nashville Predators
5 GARRISON Jason L 188/6'2'' 99/218 13 Nov 1984 Vancouver Canucks
24 RIELLY Morgan L 185/6'1'' 93/205 9 Mar 1994 Toronto Maple Leafs
27 COBURN Braydon L 192/6'4'' 100/220 27 Feb 1985 Philadelphia Flyers
44 GUDBRANSON Erik R 195/6'5'' 98/216 7 Jan 1992 Florida Panthers
57 MYERS Tyler R 203/6'8'' 103/227 1 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
Forwards
7 TURRIS Kyle R 185/6'1'' 77/170 14 Aug 1989 Ottawa Senators
10 SCHENN Brayden L 185/6'1'' 86/190 22 Aug 1991 Philadelphia Flyers
11 HUBERDEAU Jonathan L 185/6'1'' 86/190 4 Jun 1993 Florida Panthers
14 BURROWS Alex L 185/6'1'' 86/190 11 Apr 1981 Vancouver Canucks
19 HODGSON Cody R 183/6'0'' 83/183 18 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
20 BROUWER Troy R 191/6'3'' 97/214 17 Aug 1985 Washington Capitals
21 READ Matt R 183/6'0'' 85/187 14 Jun 1986 Philadelphia Flyers
23 MONAHAN Sean L 188/6'2'' 84/185 12 Oct 1994 Calgary Flames
25 CHIMERA Jason L 190/6'3'' 97/214 2 May 1979 Washington Capitals
29 MACKINNON Nathan R 183/6'0'' 83/183 1 Sep 1995 Colorado Avalanche
42 WARD Joel R 186/6'1'' 103/227 2 Dec 1980 Washington Capitals
43 KADRI Nazem L 183/6'0'' 86/190 6 Oct 1990 Toronto Maple Leafs
55 SCHEIFELE Mark R 188/6'2'' 89/196 15 Mar 1993 Winnipeg Jets

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NHL finns:

35 RINNE Pekka L 196/6'5'' 89/196 3 Nov 1982 Nashville Predators
56 HAULA Erik L 180/5'11'' 85/187 23 Mar 1991 Minnesota Wild
12 JOKINEN Olli L 189/6'2'' 95/209 5 Dec 1978 Winnipeg Jets

NHL is overrated these days after the sharp top point these players are not even so much better than Liiga and KHL players as many people think.

Don't be ridiculous. Everyone is clawing to get to the NHL, and there's a reason for that.
 
Myers has been ECHL caliber since winning the Calder. So bad.

Except, you know, this past season where he played like a franchise defenseman and was the best player on the ice for either team in like half of our games.

He always sucks on big ice, like many players. The goal was half Turris' fault for screaming for the pass, he admitted as such.
 
All that means nothing. Scrivens would be on Team Canada's D team. Rinne showed the importance of good goaltending. Scrivens allowed two soft goals and it cost them. It all starts and ends with goaltending. Canada was a better team today, but Scrivens was a backup for a reason for most of his NHL career. He failed, and i am glad he said that after the game that goaltending was the reason they lost.

The point is that all the Canadian posters who start talking about winning medals with C Teams or D Teams are making a ridiculous point. You might talk down the WC, but if Canada or any other team enters with less than a B Team, they're going home without any hardware.
 
NHL is overrated because of the results of one game?

Russia (more NHL players) beat France (fewer NHL players) today - I guess the NHL is underrated.

NA teams have every year teams full of NHL players (not the best ones though) in this tournament but they still are not dominating these teams full of euroleague players like many people here think every year before tournament when they watch their rosters.

When we are building this team most of people think for somereason that every player who plays in NHL is automatically better player than guy who plays in europe and these results of last years tournaments show that its not true.

USA/CAN are not dominating teams like SVK/FIN/SWE/CZE/RUS/SUI etc like many ordinary people here think. Those games with NA full NHL teams vs euroleuguers are usually tight one goal games. Difference between avarage NHL:er and EHT player is not really even so big as people think. Atleast what comes at this tournament you cant really see the huge difference.
 
NA teams have every year teams full of NHL players (not the best ones though) in this tournament but they still are not dominating these teams full of euroleague players like many people here think every year before tournament when they watch their rosters.

When we are building this team most of people think for somereason that every player who plays in NHL is automatically better player than guy who plays in europe and these results of last years tournaments show that its not true.

USA/CAN are not dominating teams like SVK/FIN/SWE/CZE/RUS/SUI etc like many ordinary people here think. Those games with NA full NHL teams vs euroleuguers are usually tight one goal games. Difference between avarage NHL:er and EHT player is not really even so big as people think. Atleast what comes at this tournament you cant really see the huge difference.

Yeah, all those teams best players are NHLers.
 
Here in Saint John, NB, watched the game in a sports bar (rockys) and it was me and 2 other finns who were actually watching the game.

No matter, our D team beat the C team of Canada, it was fun to watch and very surprising :)

This definitely wins funniest post. Canada's C team AND Finland's D team? LMAO that is great stuff
 
Yeah, all those teams best players are NHLers.

Yeah every country has usually their best players playing in NHL but still teams full of avarage NHL players have to do these days full time job even to beat countries like France or Belarus. Difference between them and euroleague players is not huge anymore what it was in the past. Its not about NHL getting weaker its about European leugues getting stronger.
 
Yeah every country has usually their best players playing in NHL but still teams full of avarage NHL players have to do these days full time job even to beat countries like France or Belarus. Difference between them and euroleague players is not huge anymore what it was in the past. Its not about NHL getting weaker its about European leugues getting stronger.

All I can really say to that is, anything can happen in one game on neutral ice. The euroleague guys would be playing in the nhl if they could. Lots of them try and can't hack it.
 
NHL Canadiens

30 SCRIVENS Ben L 188/6'2'' 88/194 11 Sep 1986 Edmonton Oilers
34 REIMER James L 188/6'2'' 95/209 15 Mar 1988 Toronto Maple Leafs
35 PETERS Justin L 185/6'1'' 96/212 30 Aug 1986 Carolina Hurricanes
Defenders
3 BIEKSA Kevin R 185/6'1'' 90/198 16 Jun 1981 Vancouver Canucks
4 ELLIS Ryan R 178/5'10'' 80/176 3 Jan 1991 Nashville Predators
5 GARRISON Jason L 188/6'2'' 99/218 13 Nov 1984 Vancouver Canucks
24 RIELLY Morgan L 185/6'1'' 93/205 9 Mar 1994 Toronto Maple Leafs
27 COBURN Braydon L 192/6'4'' 100/220 27 Feb 1985 Philadelphia Flyers
44 GUDBRANSON Erik R 195/6'5'' 98/216 7 Jan 1992 Florida Panthers
57 MYERS Tyler R 203/6'8'' 103/227 1 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
Forwards
7 TURRIS Kyle R 185/6'1'' 77/170 14 Aug 1989 Ottawa Senators
10 SCHENN Brayden L 185/6'1'' 86/190 22 Aug 1991 Philadelphia Flyers
11 HUBERDEAU Jonathan L 185/6'1'' 86/190 4 Jun 1993 Florida Panthers
14 BURROWS Alex L 185/6'1'' 86/190 11 Apr 1981 Vancouver Canucks
19 HODGSON Cody R 183/6'0'' 83/183 18 Feb 1990 Buffalo Sabres
20 BROUWER Troy R 191/6'3'' 97/214 17 Aug 1985 Washington Capitals
21 READ Matt R 183/6'0'' 85/187 14 Jun 1986 Philadelphia Flyers
23 MONAHAN Sean L 188/6'2'' 84/185 12 Oct 1994 Calgary Flames
25 CHIMERA Jason L 190/6'3'' 97/214 2 May 1979 Washington Capitals
29 MACKINNON Nathan R 183/6'0'' 83/183 1 Sep 1995 Colorado Avalanche
42 WARD Joel R 186/6'1'' 103/227 2 Dec 1980 Washington Capitals
43 KADRI Nazem L 183/6'0'' 86/190 6 Oct 1990 Toronto Maple Leafs
55 SCHEIFELE Mark R 188/6'2'' 89/196 15 Mar 1993 Winnipeg Jets

VS

NHL finns:

35 RINNE Pekka L 196/6'5'' 89/196 3 Nov 1982 Nashville Predators
56 HAULA Erik L 180/5'11'' 85/187 23 Mar 1991 Minnesota Wild
12 JOKINEN Olli L 189/6'2'' 95/209 5 Dec 1978 Winnipeg Jets

NHL is overrated these days after the sharp top point these players are not even so much better than Liiga and KHL players as many people think.

Is there an moderator onlne? please remove this slanderous information before the masses access it!
 
All I can really say to that is, anything can happen in one game on neutral ice. The euroleague guys would be playing in the nhl if they could. Lots of them try and can't hack it.
There is a slight slant towards North American players in the NHL, though. Don't get me wrong, a good enough player's going to make it no matter where they come from, but on average an European in the NHL tends not to be a depth player. This is due to the fact that after the sharpest tip, there's a wide pool of players to be used in the lower echelons, and GMs tend to favor North Americans for those roles - simply for the fact that it's far more convenient to use domestic guys than haul in foreigners to play in the 4th line. If an European wishes to break it, he must bring something truly special with him.

Also, the slots in the NHL aren't limitless. 20 players across 30 teams is only 600 players. Even if you count the depth options, only around 700 players on this Earth can call themselves NHLers any given night. That's actually an extremely small number when you think about it.

And by statistical probability alone there are bound to be more good players worldwide than just that. The NHL possesses most of the sharpest tip, no doubt, but there are bound to be plenty of players in the Euro leagues who could go head-to-head with NHL 3rd liners. The fact that most North Americans have never heard about them does not make 'em any less of a threat.
 
Except, you know, this past season where he played like a franchise defenseman and was the best player on the ice for either team in like half of our games.

He always sucks on big ice, like many players. The goal was half Turris' fault for screaming for the pass, he admitted as such.

best player on the worst nhl team is not a good thing.
 
There is a slight slant towards North American players in the NHL, though. Don't get me wrong, a good enough player's going to make it no matter where they come from, but on average an European in the NHL tends not to be a depth player. This is due to the fact that after the sharpest tip, there's a wide pool of players to be used in the lower echelons, and GMs tend to favor North Americans for those roles - simply for the fact that it's far more convenient to use domestic guys than haul in foreigners to play in the 4th line. If an European wishes to break it, he must bring something truly special with him.

Also, the slots in the NHL aren't limitless. 20 players across 30 teams is only 600 players. Even if you count the depth options, only around 700 players on this Earth can call themselves NHLers any given night. That's actually an extremely small number when you think about it.

And by statistical probability alone there are bound to be more good players worldwide than just that. The NHL possesses most of the sharpest tip, no doubt, but there are bound to be plenty of players in the Euro leagues who could go head-to-head with NHL 3rd liners. The fact that most North Americans have never heard about them does not make 'em any less of a threat.

I can't disagree with you there. I'm sure there are a lot of Europeans that get overlooked for depth positions. I just don't think that makes the nhl overrated. There are only a handful of top 6/top 4 guys in Europe that could play the same spot in the nhl.

The avs just signed a couple good young undrafted Europeans. I hope they surprise me, but history says they won't.
 
Shame on some of my fellow Canadians who downgrade this tournament as unimportant. It may not be as important as the Olys or SC to us but it is still a matter of pride. I am PISSED at this result. Bad enough we have to play second rate players but our coaches don't recognize whren the players are a liability and still get tons of ice time.

This is not to take away from the strong effort by the Finnish team. Congrats to them and good luck the rest of the way.
 
It's time to start talking about how bad the big ice is for hockey. It absolutely takes away skill, and is just about playing safe. If you need any evidence of this watch how boring the Olympics are now, and how often terrible hockey teams hang in games. Protect a small triangle around the net, and you can hang in games.

My props to the Finns, but they were absolutely not the better team today. Big ice is bad for good hockey, that's all that needs to be said.

Glad the NHL will never go this route.
 
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