GDT: May 10 • USA 3, Switzerland 2

[torero]

I wouldn't say "clearly" for the second one, but why are they suddenly deciding it's off-side after a goal? In 20 years of watching hockey I've never seen that

because american players complained !!

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Can someone tell me if this is offside or not ? i must say that i am frustrated ... but don't know exactly the rules. (i know the rule of offside ... but not to the detail of blue line ... legg should be on the other side of the line ... )

thank you

As long as your back foot is touching the blue line, it is not offside..

Further evidence:

The National Hockey League (NHL) and International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) apply similar rules for determining offside. A player is judged to be offside if their skates completely cross the blue line dividing their offensive zone from the neutral zone before the puck completely crosses the same line. In both organizations, it is the position of a player's skates that are important. They cannot use their stick or other part of their body to remain onside. The lone caveat to this rule is that an attacking player's skates may precede the puck into the attacking zone when they are skating backwards and if they are in control of the puck.

It's not clear that the Swiss players skate was touching the blueline. You are getting pretty worked up over a tournament that you don't think is legit.

Just because I'm Canadian doesn't mean I don't like the tournament... I actually like the WHC and IMO it's important to an extent, unlike coughKevyDcough... When did I say it wasn't legit?

 

[KurtSloan]

It clearly was offside. Well maybe not clearly but offside nonetheless

Did you see that image with the "offside" situation?! There you can clearly see that it wasn't offside..if you understand what offside is.

 

[Falling Snow]

Great game, well earned win by the US.

TSN showed very clearly both plays were offsides, those are the rules. Get over it.

*facepalm* are you ******* kidding me or you just lie to yourself.
watch the both goals again und you will clearly see both are good goals.

 

[dwanmaster*]

Did you see that image with the "offside" situation?! There you can clearly see that it wasn't offside..if you understand what offside is.

Both TSN and NBCSN agreed that both were offside.

 

[Michael Farkas]

Re: The picture above. If that skate is touching the blueline it is not offside, at least by NHL rules. I'm sure the IIHF and NHL see offside the same way, but I'm just going by NHL rules because I know them for sure. As long as your skate is touching the blueline and the puck has fully surpassed the blueline, you're all clear.

Tim Thomas tried his best to fumble this one way, but the linesmen booted it right back to him. Any NHL-caliber goaltender gets a shutout in this game, excepting maybe Josi scores with 10 seconds in a 3-0 game...

 

[QnebO]

You're leg has to be on the other side of the blue line, seriously, this isn't a ****ing new rule.

LOL. No it doesnt! Haha!

It needs to be on the blueline, not other side of it.

 

[smi]

Direct quote from the IIHF rulebook (see for yourself):

b) The determining factors in deciding an offside are:
1. The player's skates position - player is offside when both skates are completely over the blue line in his attacking zone before the puck completely crosses the line,

Make of that what you will.

 

[S E P H]

I can't really blame the linesman, both offsides were the closest that has ever been in a hockey game no doubt.

Personally after looking at both calls, I think both should have been goals and at least one of them at worst case.

But don't worry, if Suisse played like they did tonight they will easily get in the top 4 no problem!

 

[Reznor]

Can someone tell me if this is offside or not ? i must say that i am frustrated ... but don't know exactly the rules. (i know the rule of offside ... but not to the detail of blue line ... legg should be on the other side of the line ... )

thank you[/QUOTE]

No offside. For an offside both legs of the player have to cross the blue line completely before the puck does. In this case a skate is still touching the blue line.

 

[SanDogBrewin]

I actually like the WHC and IMO it's important to an extent, unlike coughKevyDcough

 

[QnebO]

Re: The picture above. If that skate is touching the blueline it is not offside, at least by NHL rules. I'm sure the IIHF and NHL see offside the same way, but I'm just going by NHL rules because I know them for sure. As long as your skate is touching the blueline and the puck has fully surpassed the blueline, you're all clear.

Tim Thomas tried his best to fumble this one way, but the linesmen booted it right back to him. Any NHL-caliber goaltender gets a shutout in this game, excepting maybe Josi scores with 10 seconds in a 3-0 game...

We can't be playing under some belarus rulese here, its IIHF rules and it means it was not offside. The leg must be on the blueline, not the other side. It was HORRIBLE mistake by linesmen and ref. Ref's mistake was to review a goal for reason like that, though not on video. Had they video reviewed it, and it would've been a goal. Now they just negociate eachother and when four dumbasses negociate, disasters happen.

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

Tell me where I said it was unimportant

It's a 2nd tier tourney at times, but I still think it's important...


Way to make up false information


Here's a quote from myself in KevyD's thread:

Talk about an arrogant thread...


I care about this tournament. Obviously not to the extent of the Olympics but I still hope we do well. I wobt be upset if we lose to Russia, USA, Sweden, or Finland (heck, even Switzerland), but to lose against France? Yeah, I'm going to be a little aggravated.


Unfortunately, our players don't think the same... Have SOME pride boys and actually give it your all instead of half assing it

 

[Reznor]

Both TSN and NBCSN agreed that both were offside.

So they are already more drunk than me on both channels...

 

[QnebO]

Both TSN and NBCSN agreed that both were offside.

That's why I'm not going to trust them in future. That said, I think Finnish commentator was also mistaken. It is hard for amateur to see those little things.

 

[dwanmaster*]

That's why I'm not going to trust them in future. That said, I think Finnish commentator was also mistaken. It is hard for amateur to see those little things.

But you're an expert???

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Both calls were close but wrong. Hopefully the Swiss get some justice later on. That said, good win for the U.S. even though Thomas wasn't in top form.

 

[YMCMBYOLO]

But you're an expert???

Maybe he's played hockey for his whole life?

 

[QnebO]

Right. Just like you said: "They went to review it from the linesmen"!

Yeah, but they shouldn't do that. The goal cannot be reviewed on that matter.

 

[QnebO]

Maybe he's played hockey for his whole life?

This is the case for me, but I don't call myself a pro/expert thought. Just saying, these TV commentators aren't always exactly experts in hockey.

 

[Slimmy]

It's not clear that the Swiss players skate was touching the blueline. You are getting pretty worked up over a tournament that you don't think is legit.

To me it's a good goal but as you said, it isn't clear ether way. What I found very strange though is that there was no offside being called and then after the goal was scored the goal was disallowed. What was that all about?

 

[Reznor]

But you're an expert???

At least he seems to know the rule for an offside. Doesn't seem to be the case of some so called experts

 

[The Noot]

But you're an expert???

You should take a look at the pictures in this thread instead of blindly believing what TSN/NBCSN feeds you.

 

[Michael Farkas]

But you're an expert???

Relative to Anson Carter, I'd say it wouldn't be hard...

The only question is if the skate blade is actually touching the blueline. If his skates are on the ice, that goal is obviously on-side...right or wrong? I don't need anyone on TV to tell me what to think about a rule that they may or may not know...not to sound crass, but it's ridiculous to be over-ruled by Anson Carter when we have a picture ten posts up that appears to say otherwise...

 

[The Noot]

But whatever.

It's only one game. There's still a lot of hockey left to be played. And we might get those calls back later in this tournament.